The Dachau Massacre. The Slaughter of Nazis in Death Camps During WW2.

Originally posted by chishuppu
people common sense will tell you the concentration camp stories are overly exaggerated, gassing 20,000 people a day, common now, what modern facility can pull that off in those tiny gas chambers.

Firstly, there was nothing small about the gas chambers. Please do some research and find out some more information. Secondly the concentration camps and the extermination camps were different things. Thirdly common sense does not apply to the Holocaust. It was born out of a terrible insanity.

[Quote] The SS executed people, as you would expect, but not in gas chambers, they shot people that conspired to escape or tried to kill gaurds. Many people were criminals. The main purpose of the camp was house communists and political subversives, not Jews: [Quote]

While Dachau may not have been primarily a termination camp, I have photos of the Gas Chambers and of the bodies stacked up beside the furnace. Many were Jews, but not all. Some in the stack of bodies to go into the furnace were not dead yet. One of my father's duties as a medic and specialist in communicable diseases was to go in and determine who could possibly be saved and who could not. He was haunted all his life by what he saw there.

Originally posted by DataDoc
While Dachau may not have been primarily a termination camp, I have photos of the Gas Chambers and of the bodies stacked up beside the furnace. Many were Jews, but not all. Some in the stack of bodies to go into the furnace were not dead yet. One of my father's duties as a medic and specialist in communicable diseases was to go in and determine who could possibly be saved and who could not. He was haunted all his life by what he saw there.

My grandfather was also haunted by what he saw at Bergen-Belsen. He never really talked about it and my mother is convinced that it shortened his life.

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I feel like this is less of an attempt to enlighten us about history and more of a poke at the USA. It was a horrible time and every nation had their share of horrible acts.

Great OP. Bringing up some interesting thoughts regarding how after being treated badly we go on and treat others in sometimes harsher ways than we were treated

Reminds me of Apartheid here in South Africa where the children of the people who upheld Apartheid are now suffering at the hands of the previously disadvantaged.

Seems the Human race is unable to learn through the actions of others or the actions taken against themselves

reply to post by JDmOKI

I feel like this is less of an attempt to enlighten us about history and more of a poke at the USA. It was a horrible time and every nation had their share of horrible acts.

Yes, I think this is simply some guy posting inflammatory statements with the proof being a random picture with no context. The open minded defend his right to bring it up, the secret Nazi sympathizers use it as an excuse to bring up their rhetoric, and the rest of us think it's all a little ugly and why bring it up? I, being and skeptical person, believe the OP falls into the second category. No normal thinking person would begrudge a hardened veteran, making a snap decision on the pond scum of humanity, when faced with the obvious evil nature of the goings on at concentration camps. Only a true pacifist or a Nazi apologist would give this kind of clap-trap a second thought.

Since the post seems to have touched a nerve, I think we are seeing the dark side working here. I would ask that any person who thinks they are a true Neutral in this, should have more empathy for the suffering mind of a soldier faced with unfettered evil - whether this is true or not.

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Originally posted by daaskapital
I did not know about that! That is insane!!!!! Thanks for the heads up mate!!!!

This is typical. You think you have discovered something no-one knows about, so you create a thread on it. You have conducted practically zero research on this subject. You post about 50 or so SS guards who were shot, when really over a million were killed by forced starvation.

Some of the ignorance on this thread makes me sick. 6 million Jews were exterminated,along with 4 million others, Polish, Gays, elderly, handicapped, deaf, blind, and anyone the Germans did not think met up to the expectations of the ultimate race. Its a fact, my mothers best friend has told me all that she saw. Including the loading of the trains, Jews being beaten in the streets so on and so on. As a German child she saw only a few of the horrors that the Jews faced, but she never forgot the things she saw.

Something that Has not been brought up in this thread is the fact that other countries knew that the Holocaust was taking place, including the US and they did nothing to try and stop or at least slow the process down. Such as Oh I don't know Allow more Jewish people in the country instead of turn them away, or BOMB the tracks that lead to death camps. Nope they just turned away and ignored the Jews. Pretty freaking sad. The Germans even fooled the Red Cross by showing them fake camps, and when the Red Cross left the camps they killed the inmates. Freaking SICK.

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Originally posted by SteveR

Originally posted by daaskapital
I did not know about that! That is insane!!!!! Thanks for the heads up mate!!!!

This is typical. You think you have discovered something no-one knows about, so you create a thread on it. You have conducted practically zero research on this subject. You post about 50 or so SS guards who were shot, when really over a million were killed by forced starvation.

Uhhh, CLEARLY you did not read the LINKS that the OP put up...It was NOT 50 or so SS guards, talk about not researching...LOL it was between 122-520...YOU sir need to research before you post!
Here is the WIKI
en.wikipedia.org...

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Maybe you don't realise that it was at the insistence of the Red Cross who were within Dachau that the German garrison and commanders stayed behind in order to prevent the prisoners leaving and spreading typhus into the greater surroundings and populations, rather than leaving the day before the camps 'liberation' as they planned...those who were thus taken prisoner and killed were only there in order to serve the greater good as requested by the Red Cross.

Originally posted by CristobalColonic
A lot of those iconic imagery from the 'death camps' - of emaciated, naked bodies piled up on one another - were propaganda shots taken by liberating troops in order to expedite the post war convictions and divvying of geopolitical boundaries.

That is to say, the "6,000,000" along with most of what history the victors wrote is not entirely the whole truth and nothing but the truth. But, good luck finding a fora to discuss such matters objectively and without the Damocles of the Zionist marionette masters manipulating any such scrutiny to look like "anti" this or that...

There is a saying that " The first casualty of war is truth" I agree with you about the 6,000,000 figure sounding outrageous but the "emaciated, naked bodies piled up on one another" was not a staged photo op.... A little less than a year after my return from Vietnam I dropped in on my father and guys he had served over five years with at a 36th Division reunion... The tough old men weren't comfortable about what they were talking about in my wife's presence so we didn't stay long... I found out later that this topic was what was being discussed.... I always figured that the atrocities the WWII combatants and most of all the liberators had witnessed was the reason they all consumed excessive amounts on alcohol.... The same is true of my generation but the atrocities we saw in Vietnam were of a much lesser scale....

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As I said before, I know my opinion is biased because as you said, it affected people I love. I do understand that they were people, but I also know what they did to the people in Dachau because I have copies of the records of my grandma's brother. (father-in-law got them on his last trip to Germany in the 90's)

Was it a witch hunt? I can't say it was because these monsters were very real and they did very horrible things.
These were not innocent people and my husbands family was changed forever by Dachau.

Do I care? I personally find it hard to care about these particular men.It doesn't mean I would have done the same, nor does it mean I'm justifying what happened. All it means is I understand why it happened and I hope we all learn from this dark chapter of history.

Originally posted by neformore
Is this thread about Holocaust denial? No. Its about The Dachau Masssacre. They are two very different things.

So why are people trying to make it into the former?

Why? Because this is ATS. Overreaction and completely improper reaction are the norm in a majority of threads I've read here.

Further, ATS mods couldn't even tell the difference initially (see page 3); why would you expect anything different from a typical ATS member?

That said, this is a fascinating thread. Kudos to the OP for posting information that helps us to understand a war and series of events that were more layered and complex than perhaps anyone realizes. God grant us the ability and wisdom to treat each other will grace and care and love.

War sucks and as one of the veterans of the WW said "Only the weapon manufactures win in a war" . With that said, having watched a recent documentary on the Nazi camps , there were over 200,000 children sent to their death by the German soldiers.

Good to always hear both sides of the story but Man Slaughtering Man in war is expected , however Man Slaughtering children purposely is unforgivable.'

I have a hard time understanding how a whole country could have been led to believing that killing children was justifiable under any circumstances?

Also the casuality rate for the allies against the Germans was staggering. On the western front they had 100.000 killed in just 6 months. On the western front elements of the SS executed american pows throughout the war. The army wanted some payback against the SS plain and simple.

Originally posted by interupt42


I have a hard time understanding how a whole country could have been led to believing that killing children was justifiable under any circumstances?

I think its called propaganda

or just telling people what they need to know

sorry not having a dig because I agree with the majority of this post

Originally posted by johncarter
reply to post by daaskapital

 

Neo-nazis posting on the ATS forum, trying to find ways to excuse the slaughter of 30 million victims in the concentration camps by making us feel sorry for these thugs and psychopathic animals being executed by russian and american troops.

Nice one.

Whats next? Some kind of sob story where we are to feel sorry for the Pol pot murderers that slaughtered over 2 million cambodians?

edit on 30-12-2012 by johncarter because: (no reason given)

I wonder what we would have done, if we lived in a country that ordered our military service or death?

It is interesting to note that the high ups that were forced into service by Hitler that proved trained and desirable were pardoned and incorporated into American life.

Having a balanced and intelligent view based on all the facts does not make anyone a Nazi!

Having desire for only part of a picture or accepting only part of a picture is shear ignorance.

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by chishuppu
people common sense will tell you the concentration camp stories are overly exaggerated, gassing 20,000 people a day, common now, what modern facility can pull that off in those tiny gas chambers.

Firstly, there was nothing small about the gas chambers. Please do some research and find out some more information. Secondly the concentration camps and the extermination camps were different things. Thirdly common sense does not apply to the Holocaust. It was born out of a terrible insanity.

So how exactly does one get rid of 20,000 bodies per day.......even if you could kill that many ?

You are limited by the amount of crematorium ovens available ......Do we have any figures ?

Originally posted by ken10
So how exactly does one get rid of 20,000 bodies per day.......even if you could kill that many ?

You burn them. In the crematoria that they built. Ever heard of Treblinka? There are huge pits of ashes there.