SYMBOLISM - Witchcraft, Mind Control, Masons, Illuminati

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In regards to William Schnoebelen and how much masons tend to despise the guy he does have legitimate credentials among the ranks of masonry and was up for some of the top honors before defecting.

William Schnoebelen
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Life and career

William Schnoebelen was born in 1949 and claims to have been raised a Catholic. He released a nine-hour DVD program titled "Interview with an Ex-Vampire: A True Story", hosted by Stephanie Relfe, where he speaks of his claimed involvement in vampirism. He also claims to have been a Satanist for a time before converting to Evangelical Christianity.[1][2] Additionally, Schnoebelen claims[3] to have been made a first degree Wiccan priest in 1968, a Spiritualist minister in the Alliance of Divine Love (1972), a priest in the Alexandrian rite of Wicca (1973), a Druidic High Priest (1973) a Third Degree Alexandrian priest (1973), a priest in the Old Roman Catholic Church (starting his studies for this in 1974-5), a Second Degree member of the Church of Satan (1975), a Master Mason in 1977, a Knight Templar in the York Rite Masonry, a 32nd Degree Mason in the Scottish Rite (1980), a Gnostic Bishop with the Monastery of the Seven Rays (1977-8), a 90th Degree Mason in the Ancient and Primitive Rite of Memphis Misraim Freemasonry, baptized into the LDS church in 1980 and become Elders' Quorum President and Institute of Religion teacher and formally left this church for evangelical Christianity in 1985.

Lets not forget that Mormonism was founded by men who were made Master Masons on sight;
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Historical connections

A significant numbers of leaders in the early Latter Day Saint movement were Masons prior to their involvement in the movement. Notable examples include Brigham Young, Heber C. Kimball, John C. Bennett, Hyrum Smith and Joseph Smith, Sr.

In the early 1840s a Masonic Lodge was formed by LDS Church members who were Freemasons. Joseph Smith, Jr. and his brother Hyrum became members of the newly formed Nauvoo lodge. It appears that John C. Bennet had a particularly strong influence in the spread of Freemasonry, and soon over 1,500 Mormon men in the city of Nauvoo were practicing Masons. LDS historian Reed Durham writes:

"By 1840, John Cook Bennett, a former active leader in Masonry had arrived in Commerce and rapidly exerted his persuasive leadership in all facets of the Church, including Mormon Masonry. ... Joseph and Sidney [Rigdon] were inducted into formal Masonry ... on the same day..." being made "Masons on Sight" by the Illinois Grandmaster.("Is There No Help for the Widow's Son?" by Dr. Reed C. Durham, Jr., as printed in "Joseph Smith and Masonry: No Help for the Widow's Son", Martin Pub. Co., Nauvoo, Ill., 1980, p. 17.) (This freed Joseph from having to complete the ritual and memorization necessary to work one's way through the first three degrees.) Making one "A Mason on Sight" is generally reserved as an honor and is a rarity in occurrence.

In 1842 Smith became a Master Mason, as indicated by in the History of the Church:

Tuesday, [March] 15. — I officiated as grand chaplain at the installation of the Nauvoo Lodge of Free Masons, at the Grove near the Temple. Grand Master Jonas, of Columbus, being present, a large number of people assembled on the occasion. The day was exceedingly fine; all things were done in order, and universal satisfaction was manifested. In the evening I received the first degree in Freemasonry in the Nauvoo Lodge, assembled in my general business office. History of the Church (Joseph Smith)|History of the Church, by Joseph Smith, Deseret Book, 1978, Vol.4, Ch.32, p.550-1)

Joseph Smith was raised to the third degree of master mason "on sight" by Grand Master Jonas of the Grand Lodge of Illinois. This was fully within Jonas' right of office, but was a fairly rare procedure.[1]

Wednesday, March 16. — I was with the Masonic Lodge and rose to the sublime degree. (History of the Church, Vol.4, Ch.32, p.552)

Of course that does not mean I believe everything he says, just thought I would throw this out before the anti-WS show jumps in.

Anti-Masonic Examples -Schnoebelen
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Do not forget that Schnoebelen was nearly made a 33rd degree honorary mason prior to his separation from the organization

It's the same people who keep on rambling in this thread.. I'm not at all worried about it. LOL.

Originally posted by Ladyk74
reply to post by CIAGypsy

 

You know, everything presented here is material gathered from various sources, I have looked at and been through that I find educational. I refer you back to my post to you a couple pages back:

LINK

You want me to research more, but you have no study material or referrences to such subjects,

I asked you to "research more" based upon two topics:

1. You said Disney was a 33 degree Mason. I told you that he was NOT. He was never a Mason. I challenged you to provide his lodge, initiation date, etc... if you felt your "quoted source" was correct. I asked YOU to do the research because you cannot prove someone was never a member of an organization but you CAN prove he was. Since you are claiming he was, I asked you to provide such proof. Simple logic, my dear.

2. I asked you to provide proof that the Rothschild family was "Luciferian" OR that they had anything influence or anything whatsoever to do with the much-maligned Disney cartoons you keep linking to.

Again, I have seen NOTHING on either of these "claims" you have made....

Originally posted by Ladyk74
like in your thread about the Bilderberg's. LINK You even spelled it wrong in the headline and in the entire thread. When members asked you for sources you did not provide them with ANYTHING. You came back with a statement such as you are not SPOON feeding anybody.

I stated various times that the info presented here is for educational purposes. I have presented members with lots of info, links and videos they can go over. I encourage independent thinking and to leave what doesn't make sense.

You on the other end, have never presented any of this and have been rambling throughout this entire thread, and want to tell me I need to do further research? Seriously? Come again...

So I had a misspelling and you think that means I don't know anything about the subject?? Have you ever considered, my dear, that perhaps Europeans may spell things differently? Or that maybe I misspelled it on purpose just so you or others would think that missing "r" had some nefarious meaning....(you know, considering missing letters are a sign of the Illuminati and all.....) Do a google search on "bildeberger" and see how common of a misspelling it is.....

Secondly, you are correct that I did not link to specific sources IN THAT THREAD because I did not want to put my life or freedom OR the lives & freedom of other individuals at risk due to the nature of what I was posting. If you had taken the time to read the entire thread, you'd have known that instead of throwing out baseless accusations because you're mad that I think you're delusional in *some* of your opinions.

Finally, when the situation presents itself, I *DO* provide research instead of throwing out baseless accusations. For example, in regards to the allegedly "Black Nobility," which I believe you have referenced in this thread I was one of the very very FEW individuals who actually provided real evidence of what was true and false.

Black Nobility Exposed

As your thread has gone on, you have started to improve somewhat on "fleshing out" your opinions and thoughts (for which I commend you) instead of just regurgitating nonsense that equates to little more than rumor, innuendo, and outright libel.

reply to post by CIAGypsy


I'm European myself, and the simple name Bilderberg is not spelled any differently in Europe as it is a German name. You also did not provide members with sources or links when you were asked for it.Since I'm not allowed to post here from this thread, I suggest members go read it on their own.


You wanted to tell me to do research and claimed you know better, well then I would say to know how to correctly spell B I L D E R B E R G would be a good start.

Maybe you need to research more?


This is how you feel about it, I did read your threads and one can argue who has a stronger case. End of story.

Right after that linked post I provided you with the Rothschild info.

In response to Augustus about pyramids and masonry not being connected because it is not used in their rituals, what do you have to say about the Masonic monument in Israel with its pyramid square and compass and G?

Surely this pyramid had to be part of a ritual laying of the corner stone and thus a pyramid has been implicated in masonry. Just pointing out that pyramids have been and are part of masonry if perhaps kept from open ritual.

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This Masonic monument in Israel bears exactly the same elements: A pyramid with a capstone between two pillars. The stripes on the ground represent duality.

Let us not forget one of the original designs for the Washington Monument was a pyramid. Yes Washington was a mason and yes their was a coffin on his apron.

www.nps.gov...

the last time i tryed two post anything close to this thread i was told in so many words to stop & when i try to reword my thread i got a big warning this was 6months ago or longer.
im amazed at what im reading & would love to make a post but call me paranoid.
its good to see Pandoras box.

reply to post by CIAGypsy


I wouldnt put too much of an effort into this thread anymore. Its been proven Ladyk is either outright lying or is not even reading what they are writing. Im going with Liar

Originally posted by Ladyk74 Manly P Hall, one of the founders of Freemasonry made this such statement in his book entitled: The Lost Keys of Freemasonry:

Your words. You even bolded it. So...........?

Originally posted by madenusa
the last time i tryed two post anything close to this thread i was told in so many words to stop & when i try to reword my thread i got a big warning this was 6months ago or longer.
im amazed at what im reading & would love to make a post but call me paranoid.
its good to see Pandoras box.

I've been called much worse in this thread. I would love to hear what you have to say! Don't let a couple members spoil your time here on ATS. It's the positive feedback from members regarding this thread that keeps me going! Read my signature on the tactics some people use, paid or not, to derail threads.

Just focus on the positive feedback by members who appreciate what you have to say!

Originally posted by Ladyk74

Mary Ann Slipper, a Masonic author, writing in Symbolism of the Eastern Star, 1927, on page 14, makes a most telling admission, when she says, "The six pointed star is used in Masonic work and is also found in other well known secret orders." Another Eastern Star book, The Second Mile , understates the impact of the hexagram when it says, "... the six pointed star is a very ancient symbol and one of the most powerful."

First of all, women cannot be Masons, nor are they included in Masonic rituals. You are CORRECT in quoting that the six pointed star is a very ancient symbol and a powerful one....but not for the ridiculous reason you state below...

Originally posted by Ladyk74
The hexagram is a very powerful symbol to witches, magicians and sorcerers. It is used in different kinds of witchcraft, magic, occultism, and the casting of zodialcal horoscopes. Because it has six points, and because it contains a '666,' the hexagram is considered to be Satan's most powerful symbol.

Yet another ludicrous and completely FALSE statement.

First of all, the hexagram is found in just about every religion - Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, etc... It is POWERFUL because it is A UNIVERSAL SYMBOL.

Lastly, you've been told several times over that witchcraft, magick, and occultism are NOT tied to Satanism. These are all very different things....apples and oranges.

Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by CIAGypsy

 

I wouldnt put too much of an effort into this thread anymore. Its been proven Ladyk is either outright lying or is not even reading what they are writing. Im going with Liar

Originally posted by Ladyk74 Manly P Hall, one of the founders of Freemasonry made this such statement in his book entitled: The Lost Keys of Freemasonry:

Your words. You even bolded it. So...........?

edit on 2-1-2013 by bknapple32 because: (no reason given)

Could make a list of all the lies please?

It would help in clarifying to what points you are claiming are lies as there is a lot of documented fact in this thread which you seem to ignore and focus on minor issues such as her mistaking Manly P Hall as a founding father of freemasonry.

Also a list of everything you have debunked would be nice. Don't bother with the dollar sign as it is merely a theory and there is no actual reason given for the usage of the symbol and all that can be said is speculation.

Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by CIAGypsy

 

I wouldnt put too much of an effort into this thread anymore. Its been proven Ladyk is either outright lying or is not even reading what they are writing. Im going with Liar

Originally posted by Ladyk74 Manly P Hall, one of the founders of Freemasonry made this such statement in his book entitled: The Lost Keys of Freemasonry:

Your words. You even bolded it. So...........?

edit on 2-1-2013 by bknapple32 because: (no reason given)

Yes, she apparently isn't reading because in her last response to me she made the same argument again that I had already answered and provided an explanation for.... So at this point, I think she is just entrenched in her position blindly. So be it. C'est la vie....

Originally posted by CIAGypsy

First of all, women cannot be Masons, nor are they included in Masonic rituals. You are CORRECT in quoting that the six pointed star is a very ancient symbol and a powerful one....but not for the ridiculous reason you state below...

Order of the Eastern Star
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Order of the Eastern Star
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The Order of the Eastern Star is a Freemasonry-related fraternal organization open to both men and women. It was established in 1850 by Boston, Massachusetts, lawyer and educator Rob Morris, a former Freemason official. The order is based on teachings from the Bible,[1] but is open to people of all religious beliefs. It has approximately 10,000 chapters in twenty countries and approximately 500,000 members under its General Grand Chapter.

Members of the Order are aged 18 and older; men must be Master Masons and women must have specific relationships with Masons. Originally, a woman would have to be the daughter, widow, wife, sister, or mother of a master Mason, but the Order now allows other relatives[2] as well as allowing Job's Daughters, Rainbow Girls, Members of the Organization of Triangle (NY only) and members of the Constellation of Junior Stars (NY only) to become members when of age.

OES is a Masonic organization, Steve Wozniak was a member and the men who join must be Masons and the women must have relationships with them.

What are you talking about?

Are you saying that OES rituals are not masonic? If so I understand what you are saying however if not then this organization is clear evidence of women taking part in masonic ritual.

reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli


See the post beneath you. That wasnt just a harmless mistake. That was lying to prove a point. thus making the point a lie. She didnt have the facts behind it so she had to lie about a source.

Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

 

See the post beneath you. That wasnt just a harmless mistake. That was lying to prove a point. thus making the point a lie. She didnt have the facts behind it so she had to lie about a source.

A list please.

Or does this one mistake bring down the entire argument?

Regarding Hall, the statement was related to this

"In 1934 Mr. Hall founded the Philosophical Research Society, dedicating it to the ensoulment of all arts, sciences, and crafts, and devoted to the one basic purpose of advancing the brotherhood of all that lives, to meet all lovers of wisdom on a common ground."

Yes beat up my quote, we have been over this, of course Hall wasn't born back then. But deny Halls influence and writings..Sure.

Same 5 people in here who continue to create drama.. LOL.

Fried, just leave BK .his history on derailing threads speaks for itself. He failed all regular checks anybody on ATS should do..

Anybody with common sense can see it for them self if they check the history.

Or maybe it is just jealousy..who knows. I'd say let the community decide, but wait they already have...

Originally posted by Ladyk74
Regarding Hall, the statement was related to this

"In 1934 Mr. Hall founded the Philosophical Research Society, dedicating it to the ensoulment of all arts, sciences, and crafts, and devoted to the one basic purpose of advancing the brotherhood of all that lives, to meet all lovers of wisdom on a common ground."

Yes beat up my quote, we have been over this, of course Hall wasn't born back then. But deny Halls influence and writings..Sure.

Same 5 people in here who continue to create drama.. LOL

Beat up your quote?!?! You said Hall was a FOUNDING member of freemasonry.

Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli

Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

 

See the post beneath you. That wasnt just a harmless mistake. That was lying to prove a point. thus making the point a lie. She didnt have the facts behind it so she had to lie about a source.

A list please.

Or does this one mistake bring down the entire argument?

As I said check out what CIA wrote. It doesnt matter. She lied about a source to prove a point. God knows how many times she has done that.

SEe thats the problem with lying about a source, kinda ruins credibility.

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I was warned many moons ago by the great leader of this sight.the members that made a post said wow
i came back to find it taken off & a nice warning.that i could be kicked off.
i like my character name i dont want to have to start over........
Have fun
"Who controls the past controls the present. Who controls the
present controls the future." - George Orwell, author of 1984

Originally posted by bknapple32

Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli

Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

 

See the post beneath you. That wasnt just a harmless mistake. That was lying to prove a point. thus making the point a lie. She didnt have the facts behind it so she had to lie about a source.

A list please.

Or does this one mistake bring down the entire argument?

As I said check out what CIA wrote. It doesnt matter. She lied about a source to prove a point. God knows how many times she has done that.

SEe thats the problem with lying about a source, kinda ruins credibility.

Well I just discredited CIA with the Order of the Eastern Star allowing women to perform masonic ritual so what does that do to their credibility?

I mistook Hexagon and Hexagram, does that destroy my credibility?

See this can go round and round but you are claiming she lied about a source which really seems to be that she mistook information and was corrected. She then posted the correction.

Looks like you are looking for every possible angle to bring her down rather than discover any truth to the matter.