SYMBOLISM - Witchcraft, Mind Control, Masons, Illuminati

reply to post by iwilliam


Not sure were you have the impression from that I stated sex is evil? However, how do you justify placing sexual content hidden and in plain sight in Disney movies such as an erect Penis, or the obvious erection in the mermaid movie (which was later removed)?

It has no place of being in there and has nothing to do with sex being evil. Sex is for adults, not children. It goes back to going over the family values Disney teaches our children, especially girls.

reply to post by aivlas



I have found the publication for you in which it appears:

The quote was 1st published in about 1917: It’s a Kessinger republished book and is available from Amazon, as is another book by Ronayne ‘The Master's Carpet: Or Masonry and Baal-Worship Identical; Reviewing the Similarity Between Masonry, Romanism and the Mysteries, and Comparing the Whole, With the Bible.”

I believe it may be this one (LINK)

“The Regius Poem, also known as the Halliwell Manuscript” dated as early as 1388 and refers to the period of Masonry during the reign of King Athelstan from about 925: This Manuscript has in it Articles and Points [it can be read in books and on-line, so I won’t reproduce it in its entirety here.] But, I will cite some of it, as it applies to our study of the information quoted above: Article 7 states – “That a master shall not harbor thieves, murderers, or one ‘that hath a feeble name”: Article 15 says that “A master is not to ‘ maintain his fellows in their sin for no good that he might win; nor no false oath suffer him to make, for dread of their soul’s sake.”

The Illuminati has infiltrated the "brotherhood" . As far as Ronayne who is known for his Anti Mason movement, he is probably referring to the high degree masons in power who are abusing this particular verse for their "sins" or concealment of their plans which furthers their agenda.

Originally posted by Ladyk74
reply to post by iwilliam

 

Not sure were you have the impression from that I stated sex is evil? However, how do you justify placing sexual content hidden and in plain sight in Disney movies such as an erect Penis, or the obvious erection in the mermaid movie (which was later removed)?

It has no place of being in there and has nothing to do with sex being evil. Sex is for adults, not children. It goes back to going over the family values Disney teaches our children, especially girls.

A little research goes a long way. I admire you for all the work youve done. But the number one rule in researching is to first try and discredit yourself. Try and find out the counter arguments and see if you are just purporting myth.

I proved you were doing just that, purporting myth when it came to the $ symbol. And now I do the same with The Little Mermaid phallic symbol.

I give you this:
Little Mermaid myth

The Palace with the Phallus Claim: One of the castle spires on the cover of Disney's The Little Mermaid home video was deliberately drawn as a phallus by a disgruntled artist. Status: False. Origins: One of the castle spires in the Artwork in question background of The Little Mermaid promotional artwork bears an unmistakable resemblance to a penis, so much so that many people are unwilling to dismiss the drawing as mere accident or coincidence. Rumors started circulating shortly after the release of the videocassette edition of The Little Mermaid that the phallic object had been deliberately drawn as a last act of defiance by a disgruntled Disney artist who was miffed at being notified that he would be laid off at the conclusion of the project. The plain truth is that the resemblance between the castle spire and a penis was purely accidental, and it was drawn by an artist who was neither disgruntled nor about to be dismissed.

First of all, the artist who created the video cover art did not work for Disney itself, thus he was neither "disgruntled with Disney" nor "about to be fired." We questioned the artist, who also drew artwork for Little Mermaid theatrical advertising, pop-ups, greeting cards, Happy Meal boxes, and CDs. The theatrical posters were done before the original release of the film, but the video cover art was not created until a few months before the home video version hit the market. Rushed to complete the video artwork (featuring towers that were rather phallic to begin with), the artist hurried through the background detail (at "about four in the morning") and inadvertently drew one spire that bore a rather close resemblance to a penis. The artist himself didn't notice the resemblance until a member of his youth church group heard about the controversy on talk radio and called him at his studio with the news. The later laserdisc release of the film was issued with a cover containing an altered version of the infamous spire. Contrary to common belief, the phallic-like spire did not make its first appearance with the cover to the home video version. The same background drawing of the castle, with the same spires, appeared in promotional material and posters that accompanied the film's original theatrical release. The video cover does differ slightly from the original version, but the castle shown in the background is the same in both versions. (Later versions of the laserdisc cover were altered to remove the offending spire.)

reply to post by bknapple32


What did you disprove here? That it was not done by a disgruntled employee?

Have you listened to the original Aladdin scores where Aladdin says something along the lines of "good girls take off their clothes"?



Of course he could be saying something like "good tigers take off their clothes" but that wouldn't make any sense. Don't forget that words that sound similar can be confused and used against individuals as was the case in the Darren Browne mall experiment I posted earlier where he used words that sound similar and gets everyone to raise their arm on his command.



As to your earlier claim about the spanish dollar (8 piece solar wheel) and the two lines being the pillars of hercules . . . this is also known as the constellation of gemini and represent the the passage between capricorn (the goat) aka the gate of death and cancer which coincide with the winter and summer solstice. (Death and rebirth, phoenix transformation to the body of light, illumination, etc).

This is common knowledge among any who study the occult. Had any other piece of that currency been chosen it would not have had any of these symbols, and yet it does.

reply to post by bknapple32


I'm asking you is it or is it not a penis? To me it is not a myth, because of all the other movies in which Disney has placed sexual related content hidden or in plain sight. It was provided by me and other members within this thread and other threads here on ATS. The errection in the cartoon figure on the boat which was later removed, Jessica rabbits nude female genitals, topless models and much much more. It has no business of being in there.

Again, it is from the spanish pesos and the symbols ON the peso. There is nothing more to debate. You can make a to b to c to d to e to f to g and claim thats what it is and its "common knowledge to people who study the occult" Doesnt make them more right than almost every historian with nothing to gain who says otherwise.


And did you read the article? Doesnt seem like it. And your only line about him not being a disgruntled employee misses one of the points entirely.

HE WAS NOT AN EMPLOYEE OF DISNEY. Thus you cant make a claim that DISNEY had anything to do with this.

Originally posted by bknapple32
Again, it is from the spanish pesos and the symbols ON the peso. There is nothing more to debate. You can make a to b to c to d to e to f to g and claim thats what it is and its "common knowledge to people who study the occult" Doesnt make them more right than almost every historian with nothing to gain who says otherwise.


And did you read the article? Doesnt seem like it. And your only line about him not being a disgruntled employee misses one of the points entirely.

HE WAS NOT AN EMPLOYEE OF DISNEY. Thus you cant make a claim that DISNEY had anything to do with this.

No claim other than Disney placed this image on advertising material and retail merchandise.

Hahahaha, sorry BK but your argument would not stand up in court.

EDIT
Since you are arguing about money, what about the little owl found on the dollar bill? Where would you say that came from?

Also where is the $ sign on that Spanish dollar? (en.wikipedia.org...)



The pS? Or how about the pillars of Hercules from the Spanish coat of arms. I already provided the esoteric concept behind the coat of arms.
(en.wikipedia.org...)

Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli

Originally posted by bknapple32
Again, it is from the spanish pesos and the symbols ON the peso. There is nothing more to debate. You can make a to b to c to d to e to f to g and claim thats what it is and its "common knowledge to people who study the occult" Doesnt make them more right than almost every historian with nothing to gain who says otherwise.


And did you read the article? Doesnt seem like it. And your only line about him not being a disgruntled employee misses one of the points entirely.

HE WAS NOT AN EMPLOYEE OF DISNEY. Thus you cant make a claim that DISNEY had anything to do with this.

No claim other than Disney placed this image on advertising material and retail merchandise.

Hahahaha, sorry BK but your argument would not stand up in court.

EDIT
Since you are arguing about money, what about the little owl found on the dollar bill? Where would you say that came from?

edit on 1-1-2013 by FriedBabelBroccoli because: 101

What isnt standing up in court? The fact that the employee who did this was NOT an employee of Disney?

New for ya, alllllll of what lady has presented would NEVER stand up in court either my friend. So lets not bring up the scrutiny of court because this would all get thrown out instantly.

reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli


I got some very good material on the dollar bill and such. I will upload these and put them here so we can go over these. Also I would prefer that the members can do their own independent thinking on all the material on Disney provided in this thread. If they find his info outweighs this thread, great. Lets move on.

reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

A common theory holds that it derives from the Spanish coat of arms engraved on the colonial silver coins, the reals, (among them the Spanish dollar) that were in circulation in Spain's colonies in America and Asia. Reals and Spanish dollars were also legal tender in the English colonies in North America, which later became part of the United States and Canada. In 1492, Ferdinand II of Aragon adopted the symbol of the Pillars of Hercules and added the Latin phrase Non plus ultra meaning "nothing further beyond", indicating "this is the end of the (known) world." But when Christopher Columbus came to America, the legend was changed to Plus ultra: "further beyond." Spain's coat of arms The symbol was adopted by Charles V and was part of his coat of arms representing Spain's American possessions. The symbol was later stamped on coins minted in gold and silver. These coins, depicting the Pillars of Hercules over two hemispheres and a small "S"-shaped ribbon around each, were spread throughout America, Europe and Asia. For the sake of simplicity, traders wrote signs that, instead of saying dollar or peso, had this symbol made by hand, and this in turn evolved into a simple S with two vertical bars.

$$$

Click the link it shows you a picture so you can see it for yourself I suppose.

Originally posted by bknapple32
What isnt standing up in court? The fact that the employee who did this was NOT an employee of Disney?

New for ya, alllllll of what lady has presented would NEVER stand up in court either my friend. So lets not bring up the scrutiny of court because this would all get thrown out instantly.

legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...

Negligence

The duty to guard against negligence and supply a safe product applies to everyone in the chain of distribution, including a manufacturer who carelessly makes a defective product, the company that uses the product to assemble something else without discovering an obvious defect, and the vendor who should exercise greater care in offering products for sale. These individuals owe a duty of care to anyone who is likely to be injured by such a product if it is defective, including the initial buyer, that person's family members, any bystanders, and persons who lease the item or hold it for the purchaser.

Additionally, the duty to exercise care involves all phases of getting a product to the consumers or users. The product must be designed in such a way that it is safe for its intended use. It must be inspected and tested at different stages, made from the appropriate materials, and assembled carefully. The product's container or packaging must be adequate. The manufacturer must also furnish adequate warnings and directions for use with the product. The seller is proscribed from misrepresenting the safety or character of the product and must disclose all defects.

Disney would be held accountable for this.

You are the one who demands that arguments conform to such standards as outlined in other threads. A little consistency on your part would go a long way.

EDIT:
Your link does not work, but that is alright as I edited my previous post to include it. Along with an explanation of what the symbol is based on as there is no clear theory.


Here:
en.wikipedia.org...

The best documented explanation reveals that the sign evolved out of the Spanish and Spanish American scribal abbreviation "ps" for pesos. A study of late eighteenth- and early nineteenth-century manuscripts shows that the s gradually came to be written over the p developing a close equivalent to the "$" mark.[3][4][5][6][7]
Alternative hypotheses:
Slash 8
Greek mythology
Alchemic sigil for cinnabar
Spanish coat of arms
From "U.S."

ETC....

You did not disprove anything . . .

Just because you say I dont have consistency doesnt mean youre right. Becoming a finger warrior sir. The argument is that DISNEY PURPOSELY PUT THIS IN THE MOVIE.

The point is, they did not as the person who did this wasnt an employee. Im not saying they are or arent liable to be sued for it. But the point remains, they themselves did not do it.


What is so hard to understand?

You can say there is no clear theory, but in the article in in fact says what I presented was the most agreed upon theory. Hardly ' not clear'

reply to post by bknapple32


This says different
www.straightdope.com...

This is not true--the artist was one of Disney's top layout artists who has worked on and off for Disney since the fifties and still does.

To quote my source, "He did intend for the tower to look like a penis, but when he finished it, he realized it was bit too obvious.

which one

I think it might be to much disney for me to find out

reply to post by aivlas


Ill go with snopes over some website that has a 'source'

So let's go over this one last time......

Walt Disney Pedophile Agenda ATS

Early works of Walt Disney

Family Entertainment ????

If after all this you believe you have anything DEBUNKED or that this is merely family entertainment of it's finest, come again....Maybe your eyes aren't working?

See, you are in fact posting this as fact. Not trying to just put information out there. You are plainly trying to present this as fact that cannot be debunked. Agenda much?

reply to post by Ladyk74


The offending page is missing from the copy below (Am still looking for a complete one) but at the bottom of page 220 the author does give his own view of some parts that reflect the "quote" in question.
preview.tinyurl.com...

reply to post by bknapple32


Have a look at the rest of the site before dismissing

Braxton, Greg. "Morning Report: Movies."
Los Angeles Times. 30 July 1990 (p. F2).

Lewis, Randy. "Censors Could Make U.S. the Land of Bland."
Los Angeles Times. 10 August 1990 (p. F23).

Viets, Elaine. "Mermaid's Tower is Kettle of Fish."
St. Louis Post-Dispatch. 24 November 1992 (Everyday Magazine).

Phoenix New Times. "Find the Hidden Penis."
1 August 1990 (p. 99).

also

We questioned the artist

I'm' sorry but.....Nice sources



EDIT
Lion king is 'SFX' same as in aladdin

Originally posted by bknapple32
See, you are in fact posting this as fact. Not trying to just put information out there. You are plainly trying to present this as fact that cannot be debunked. Agenda much?

Are you saying that none of those images are in these G rated children's flicks produced and distributed by Disney?

Also your so called debunking of the $ sign is merely a theory, along with many other theories.

EDIT
Also I provided the link to it being based on solar imagery such as the other coins it was based on.
en.wikipedia.org...$_sign

Origin

The sign is first attested in British, American, Canadian, Mexican and other Spanish American business correspondence in the 1770s, referring to the Spanish American peso,[1][2] also known as "Spanish dollar" or "piece of eight" in British North America, which provided the model for the currency that the United States later adopted in 1785 and the larger coins of the new Spanish American republics such as the Mexican peso, Peruvian eight-real and Bolivian eight-sol coins.

I outlined prior how the double cross (8) was a solar symbol and it is only backed up by the same number appearing along with the word for Sun, Sol.

8-real (real meaning royal, as in those who wear the crowns which imitate a solar corona aka illumination)
8-sol

Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli

Originally posted by bknapple32
See, you are in fact posting this as fact. Not trying to just put information out there. You are plainly trying to present this as fact that cannot be debunked. Agenda much?

Are you saying that none of those images are in these G rated children's flicks produced and distributed by Disney?

Also your so called debunking of the $ sign is merely a theory, along with many other theories.

No i cant answer all of it. It does exist. The reasons behind them I argue.

And the $ sign, dont muddy the waters. Theres a common accepted theory, the one I presented. And wiki then shows the other " alternative theories" that are FAR less accepted.

I will say the jessica rabbit thing could only be found by going frame by frame, theater audiences would never see it. Seems like more of a practical joke by perverted artists