NRA wants armed guards in schools

There are unstable teachers out there, also. Think of how many teachers are outed each year for having relations with students. Being teachers doesn't automatically make them someone I'd want around a child with a gun.

reply to post by watchitburn


I think it's an outstanding idea! Did you watch the video of their announcement? They made some very good points. We protect banks with armed guards. We protect sporting arenas with armed guards. All the politicians in Washington are protected with armed guards. The president is protected with armed guards. Are our children less valuable than any of those?

I said, after the Ft. Hood shooting, that if military personnel were allowed to carry weapons on post, that terrorist could have been taken out, and lives saved. I say now, if a teacher in one of those targeted classrooms had been allowed to carry a gun, that shooter could have been taken out, and many lives saved.

"No guns allowed" signs, and gun free zones, are simply invitations for shooters. In places where people carry guns easily, you have far less violent crime, because the criminals know their potential target could be armed. You don't see shooters in places that allow guns, typically, either. Almost every time, it's a gun-free area.

The NRA position on this is simple common sense. No, I am not a member, for the record.

reply to post by Fireman205253
Not Isolated.

Considering the Kids our Government has killed over the last 40 years this is childs play.

reply to post by Grimpachi

it is just plain idiotic to oppose providing security for children.

And so, do oppose providing security for children in Church?

At the beach?

At the playground?

At the Mall?

At the movies?

At the pool?

On the school bus on the way to school?

day care?

summer camp?

the zoo?

Are you idiotic if you oppose security for innocent children at these venues?

WHERE DOES IT END?

WHO WATCHES THE WATCHERS!!!!????

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
reply to post by watchitburn

 

I think it's an outstanding idea! Did you watch the video of their announcement? They made some very good points. We protect banks with armed guards. We protect sporting arenas with armed guards. All the politicians in Washington are protected with armed guards. The president is protected with armed guards. Are our children less valuable than any of those?

I said, after the Ft. Hood shooting, that if military personnel were allowed to carry weapons on post, that terrorist could have been taken out, and lives saved. I say now, if a teacher in one of those targeted classrooms had been allowed to carry a gun, that shooter could have been taken out, and many lives saved.

"No guns allowed" signs, and gun free zones, are simply invitations for shooters. In places where people carry guns easily, you have far less violent crime, because the criminals know their potential target could be armed. You don't see shooters in places that allow guns, typically, either. Almost every time, it's a gun-free area.

The NRA position on this is simple common sense. No, I am not a member, for the record.

Yes, because the average teacher would never be absolutely mortified with the thought of killing a student that they may have known for years. They are teachers, not killers.


Here's what will happen if they arm teachers and/or have security guards at the school. The shootings will continue.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes
I thought the News Conference was very thought out. The points they made regarding other places we have guards was verry good. The best point was where Obama decided to cut School Security and croonies are now the ones pushing there Gun Control agenda. The NRA should of pushed this much more.

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So are things better in Austrailia now?

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im sure they will hit on that alot more

reply to post by hoochymama


I stated in my first post when I was growing up many of the schools I went to had armed guards and many schools still do. This should be a no-brainer. The only issue is funding for security which is easy enough to address.

There isn’t going to be a repeal of the second amendment and I doubt there will be anything done to fix healthcare for the mentally ill so the very least that should be done is providing security at schools. Nothing will ever be 100% secure beside Fort Knox but this at least does something that can prevent another SH from happening.

Originally posted by PrincessTofu
There are unstable teachers out there, also. Think of how many teachers are outed each year for having relations with students. Being teachers doesn't automatically make them someone I'd want around a child with a gun.

Hey re re... They would undergo training first... You are a simple, fragile mind....

Screw all the states and cities and towns that already let them. Have they snapped yet?


Gs

Originally posted by GermanShep

Originally posted by PrincessTofu
There are unstable teachers out there, also. Think of how many teachers are outed each year for having relations with students. Being teachers doesn't automatically make them someone I'd want around a child with a gun.

Hey re re... They would undergo training first... You are a simple, fragile mind....

Screw all the states and cities and towns that already let them. Have they snapped yet?


Gs

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Yes, because I'm sure all of those people training teachers how to shoot a gun would know anything about mental health.

Let's say a kid is only bringing his gun to school to shoot two kids and has no problems with any teachers. Now, this armed teacher sees this kid with a gun and the kid sees the teacher with the gun. This kid has no problem with this teacher, but this teacher is now the student's biggest threat to his/her safety. My point: why in the hell should a potentially unharmed teacher have to turn themselves into the number 1 target? Pretty much giving their life away if the kid can shoot decently.

Originally posted by ErEhWoN
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

it is just plain idiotic to oppose providing security for children.

And so, do oppose providing security for children in Church?

At the beach?

At the playground?

At the Mall?

At the movies?

At the pool?

On the school bus on the way to school?

day care?

summer camp?

the zoo?

Are you idiotic if you oppose security for innocent children at these venues?

WHERE DOES IT END?

WHO WATCHES THE WATCHERS!!!!????

I see now you are incapable of rational thought. Most of the places you just mentioned already have armed security. So what is your point? Nothing is ever 100% but you are an idiot if you arn't willing to try.

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
They made some very good points.

When? Where?

We protect banks with armed guards.

It frankly takes in idiot to ignore the fact the the BANKS are one of the TOP targets for criminals seeking easy money, because by definition they contain a large amount of cash on most day of the week.

All the politicians in Washington are protected with armed guards. The president is protected with armed guards.

Again, it takes a idiot to ignore the fact that politicians and the President are targets of political extremists, who wish to extract a political result from their attacks.

Are our children less valuable than any of those?

In most cases, they are less valuable to attackers, while being the most precious value to ourselves. There are exceptions when a NUT goes and shoots up the school.

reply to post by Fireman205253
Let me state again, I dont think the NRA has the answers, nor the Congress, Senate, White House...we as parents have the answers. But, considering the parenting now a days it doesnt look good either way.

What is the best solution to something like this?? I think we should take the prescription drugs from our kids. That to me is the first step than see where it goes from there.

I dont think that Armed Guards at schools is a bad thing. I dont think Video survailance is a bad thing. I think that there could be problems with those as well.

Parents are the key. But if the parents keep voting for the dumbasses that currently run our Government we are screwed either way so I think education is the key. Educate your Friends, Family, Kids, etc.

You can be guaranteed that they spent those few days of silence working the best 'spin' and figuring out how to best protect their franchise.

They know what their followers want to hear and what they respond to. Certain key words, key phrases, sprinkle a dusting of constitutional rights. They have the best spin doctors in the country.

Remember to see all the sides of the situation and think for yourself. Don't buy into what anyone says at 100% face value.

Originally posted by phoenixlights321

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
reply to post by watchitburn

 

I think it's an outstanding idea! Did you watch the video of their announcement? They made some very good points. We protect banks with armed guards. We protect sporting arenas with armed guards. All the politicians in Washington are protected with armed guards. The president is protected with armed guards. Are our children less valuable than any of those?

I said, after the Ft. Hood shooting, that if military personnel were allowed to carry weapons on post, that terrorist could have been taken out, and lives saved. I say now, if a teacher in one of those targeted classrooms had been allowed to carry a gun, that shooter could have been taken out, and many lives saved.

"No guns allowed" signs, and gun free zones, are simply invitations for shooters. In places where people carry guns easily, you have far less violent crime, because the criminals know their potential target could be armed. You don't see shooters in places that allow guns, typically, either. Almost every time, it's a gun-free area.

The NRA position on this is simple common sense. No, I am not a member, for the record.

Yes, because the average teacher would never be absolutely mortified with the thought of killing a student that they may have known for years. They are teachers, not killers.

edit on 21-12-2012 by phoenixlights321 because: (no reason given)

Here's what will happen if they arm teachers and/or have security guards at the school. The shootings will continue.

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I am related to more than one teacher, and either one would not hesitate to shoot a student that was shooting other students. These things happen because everyone in the schools is defenseless, except for the shooters. Same reason that they happen in malls - no gun zones. The theaters hit? No gun zones. The places with the highest crime rates? They have the most gun control.

If the government requires our children to attend these schools, and the government sees fit to protect THEMSELVES with armed guards, then the government can sure as heck protect the children! Either protect them, or close all the public schools, immediately. Let parents decide how to school their children, and whether those schools can have armed protection.

Why are armed guards alright for the president, all former presidents, all members of Congress, and so forth, at huge expense, but not for the children? I guess to some people, the children are not worth as much as the politicians.

reply to post by Fireman205253

So what would you propose tot be better? Just curious, as I am a law abiding gun owner, however I am reasonable.

I can't pretend to have the answer, but being open minded and reasonable as you are, is a step in the direction of a solution.

In a discussion we can come up with IDEAS and whittle those down to SOLUTIONS. I don't think this process happened before the NRA's statement.

I did have a couple of ideas the day of shooting though. And seeing that you are a reasonable person, I'll share them with you. Let me know what you think;

1. Broadcast a PSA (Public Service Anouncement) stating "if you are depressed, your meds ain't working, no one understands, your problems are just too much, the world is out to get you blah blah blah, JUST KILL YOURSELF. JUST......KILL.........YOURSELF. Maybe they could even supply a pill for this, free of charge. Better to mourn one loser than 20 innocent victims.

2. Any shooter involved in a mass killing will be kept ANONYMOUS. You will die with no one knowing your name, your problems will not be known to anyone. They will be buried with you. Your name will not come past anyone's lips. You will not be on any headlines, special reports, internets, tweets, etc. You will be forgotten to all but a few.

I really think glorifying the killers in these shootings is doing more harm than good.

Give the glory to the victims. The shooter should be forgotten, and die anonymously.

Originally posted by hoochymama
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

I thought the News Conference was very thought out. The points they made regarding other places we have guards was verry good. The best point was where Obama decided to cut School Security and croonies are now the ones pushing there Gun Control agenda. The NRA should of pushed this much more.

They should have been saying this ages ago, but I can imagine why they didn't. Look at some of the responses now, when it's more clear than ever that this is needed.

Any politician speaking against protecting the kids should forfeit their Secret Service protection.

Originally posted by phoenixlights321
So dumb on so many levels.

So is this security guard going to be in every single place at the same time?

What if this security guard decides to go nuts and kill everyone?
What if the security guard knows the person that's about shoot things up and doesn't want to shoot him?
What if the security guard's power goes to his/her head and he starts threatening kids for small scuffles?
What if a few kids that don't have guns decide to jump a security guard and now they have a gun to go take out some classmates?
Honestly, if some kid is running around with a gun, it would probably be pretty easy for some kid to distract the security guard and shoot him while he's looking away. Hell, the kid with the gun could even say, 'omg, some kid was chasing me down the street and he has a gun! go get him!' kid sneaks into gun with school.
It is not easy to shoot someone, especially a kid.
I still can't believe it would be suggested that principals/some teachers would have access to guns to protect students. Because having guns on school property would never EVER be stolen by sneaky students. Not as if a teacher or principal could lose their mind and go on a shooting spree. Not as if a principal or teacher would ever be absolutely horrified at shooting at a student that they may have known for many years. Yup, nothing that could go wrong there.

There are so many things wrong with this.

Keeping guns as far away from school is the best solution. NRA, you are so incredibly clueless it is painful.

Having an officer at a school would be a deterent for a criminal, he would think about going after an easier target but at least the kids would have a chance to have someone stop the criminal if it got that far. Guns are illegal to have at school now, it didnt stop that kid. It also wouldnt stop a teacher from bringing in a gun from home and shooting their students. Thankfully that has never happened.As far as training for the security officer, I dont think the NRA ment sending a 18yr old minimum wage Walmart security gaurd with a gun to a school. Probably a Law enforcement type or someone who had a little more training than close your eyes and pull the trigger. Yes Im sure a gang of kids could jump the cop and take his gun and go on a rampage but if thats the kind of school then theres already guns in it. I can see you think everyone with a gun is a lunatic waiting to go on a shooting rampage and thats too bad. I used a handgun to stop three men from entering my 3 year old daughters window in the middle of the night I shutter to think what would have happened if they got in and I wasnt armed, Im a big guy with hand to hand combat training in the Military but Im not Chuck Norris. I called the police, it took them 30min to get there,it was a busy night. I am also a little leary on teachers being armed, my wife is a teacher. It takes years of schooling and training to be proficient not only in the physical skills of accuracy but the mental aspects that go along with it , Most people cant handle having shot someone even if it is justifiable.Now I hope it doesnt get to the point like in Isreal where people were attacking schools and school busses on a regular basis. Then like they did the teachers will have to be trained and armed. It has worked there.

Bill

Originally posted by Grimpachi

Originally posted by ErEhWoN
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

it is just plain idiotic to oppose providing security for children.

And so, do oppose providing security for children in Church?

At the beach?

At the playground?

At the Mall?

At the movies?

At the pool?

On the school bus on the way to school?

day care?

summer camp?

the zoo?

Are you idiotic if you oppose security for innocent children at these venues?

WHERE DOES IT END?

WHO WATCHES THE WATCHERS!!!!????

I see now you are incapable of rational thought. Most of the places you just mentioned already have armed security. So what is your point? Nothing is ever 100% but you are an idiot if you arn't willing to try.

Most of the places that person just mentioned DO NOT have armed security, but good for you for believing that. Absolute nonsense. That person's post was entirely rational.