Connecticut Kindergarten Shooter - Victim of the CIA and Not a Perp - MKUltra?

reply to post by snarky412


Honestly I think you are kind of a scum bag and possibly deranged if you want to watch mass murder news coverage instead of Justin Beiber. Of course I feel bad for all those kids, but why in the he'll would I want to watch the news about it? Are you crazy?

Here we go again.. Once again, ATS tries to turn a tragedy into a conspiracy based on absolutely nothing but paranoia or even wishful thinking. This is part of what I posted just days ago in a thread just like this because the mall shooting was apparently a "conspiracy" too. Go figure that it's relevant again...

"Not everything is a conspiracy, though ATS tries to turn literally every single headline like this into one (seriously I have never seen a mass shooting that doesn't get turned into some "conspiracy" here and I challenge anyone to present a single example of a headline like this that ATS didn't try to make a conspiracy). It seems like ATS has this delusion that mentally unstable/ill people do not exist and no one is capable of killing other people without the govt, tptb, nwo, mindcontrol, HAARP, or whatever else being involved. Some people just do horrible things like this, people have been murdering other people throughout history without the govt or aliens or mindcontrol whatever other nonsense being involved. "

Like I said, I challenge anyone to present a single mass shooting that people on ATS haven't tried to turn into a "MKULTRA" type conspiracy, this same thread happens every single time with no evidence to back it up, every single time.
Believe it or not, there's mentally ill people out there, there's lonely/depressed people out there who feel vicitimized or ignored by the world. When some of them see all the fame these shooters gain, they might want to get the same fame themselves so they go out and do the same thing.

Here's a quote from Roger Ebert talking about this problem
"Events like this," I said, "if they are influenced by anything, are influenced by news programs like your own. When an unbalanced kid walks into a school and starts shooting, it becomes a major media event. Cable news drops ordinary programming and goes around the clock with it. The story is assigned a logo and a theme song; these two kids were packaged as the Trench Coat Mafia. The message is clear to other disturbed kids around the country: If I shoot up my school, I can be famous. The TV will talk about nothing else but me. Experts will try to figure out what I was thinking. The kids and teachers at school will see they shouldn't have messed with me. I'll go out in a blaze of glory."

Many of these shooters want attention, they want to be famous, and we give it to them. The media and all the attention these shooters get is helping to create more of these events, not the "CIA" or "MKULTRA". Come on now.

reply to post by darkest4


I think the conspiracy aspect is coming in big part from how the MSM has handled this situation. For almost 30 hours now they have been reported complete falsehoods as facts, changing the story an hour later and then change it back to the original verion again.

Basically, if they admit the 1st "fact" they presented was not true, then why would we assume the revised version of the story holds any more water? F# me once shame on you, twice shame on me. The way this has been covered, ALL of the holes in the story, the media blackout last night, the claiming that a 20 year old kid suffering from Aspergers syndrome perpetrated this by himself without anyone noticing his odd behaviour. He killed his Mom at home so why did he go to the school? His Dad is a big banker and his older brother is leading right in the old mans footsteps.

Those types of things are ringing bells in we skeptics heads.

reply to post by darkest4


Yep. Here we go again.
Since everyone is using this tragedy to discuss banning or not banning guns, the more vigilant people are taking this opportunity to discuss how bullies create mass murderers and how the government started experimenting with mind control after WWII by bringing Nazi scientists into the US through Project Paperclip.

Not only should we be discussing the CIA, but we should also be focusing on the KGB.

The Nazis wanted to mix gorilla and human DNA to create a super soldier.
Why is MK Ultra and brain implants such a far stretch for people?

Originally posted by Afterthought
Why is MK Ultra and brain implants such a far stretch for people?

Those particular subjects are tough pills to swallow for most, even on here.

reply to post by 1/2 Nephilim


Or it's because events like this naturally have a lot of confusion and chaos attached to them? Try to think about this logically. You've got dozens/hundreds of terrified people on the scene in a panic, of course some of them are going to give conflicting accounts based on their confusion and panic or people misinterpreting what others said or stating their guesses as facts. You've also got dozens of police and other authorities on the scene, not all of them are going to be fully in the loop and know every thing that's going on when a reporter asks them a question. It's not like every single cop is Sherlock Holmes and will figure out a crime scene instantly and be able to tell you exactly what really happened. It takes time to get the full picture and story from these events, but of course the media just reports the tidbits they get, without even checking their authenticity and without waiting for the full picture to emerge.


It's certainly a shame that the MSM chooses to report things before they get confirmation and proof that their information is correct, but they do it cause everyone wants to have the breaking scoop for ratings, not because of some mkultra conspiracy. It makes them a bit of greedy assholes, but not evil TPTB NWO overlords or something trying to cover up a MKULTRA experiment. I know some people who work in mainstream news media, they are regular ole folk, news is WAY too big with way too many people who could spill the beans for their to be a real grand conspiracy controlling it all.

Both the Holmes and the CT shooting were proceeded by a small mall shooting. Remember one of the victims in the Holmes shooting missed being shot by someone dressed as batman in a mall?

I do wonder if all of this media attention can in some way encourage or give a person the idea to do the same?

reply to post by 1/2 Nephilim


Well, they need to wake up and smell the coffee and stop being so narrow-minded and obtuse.
www.reuters.com...

The Council, an independent body which looks at ethical issues raised by new developments in biology and medicine, wants to focus on three main areas of neurotechnologies that change the brain: brain-computer interfaces (BCIs), neurostimulation techniques such as deep brain stimulation (DBS) or transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS), and neural stem cell therapy.

These technologies are already at various stages of development for use in the treatment of medical conditions including Parkinson's disease, depression and stroke, and experts think they could bring significant benefits, especially for patients with severe brain disease or damage.

As the public becomes more and more aware of this technology, the media will focus on its positives, while those of us who are screaming our lungs out about how this technology is extremely negative are called nut cases and these types of stories are put into the looney bin forum thus reinforcing the stigma.

reply to post by Afterthought


You just threw out a bunch of stuff that does not have to have any relation to each other just because you said it does. There's no evidence linking any of that to this shooting at all. Sad this is how many conspiracy theorists thought processes go. Again, there are mentally ill people out there who are capable of murder without the help of govt mind control or whatever.

Are you going to argue that every murder, mass murder, serial killer, etc throughout history is all because of mind control and Nazis and MKULTRA even though those didn't even exist yet? People have been killing eachother throughout the history of mankind not just since the Nazis, or MKULTRA was conducted or whatever else, so just attributing every mass shooting to these things without any evidence backing that up is terribly illogical and misleading.

Also, are you trying to suggest shooting a bunch of kids requires a "super soldier" or something?

Here's a thought.
What if this man's rich family took him to a psychiatrist who recommended an implant that would zap his brain periodically to keep his depression at bay? (I just read recently that they want to do the same for those with Alzheimer's).
Could this type of chip be hacked or could it have possessed multiple uses that the doctors would've had access to? The doctors could also have used this same chip to zap his brain into an even deeper depression until he became homocidal.

reply to post by darkest4

There's no evidence linking any of that to this shooting at all.

I apologize. I had no idea that ALL of the evidence was in AND the media was given permission to release it all. Please let me know which news station you listen to so I can be just as informed.

reply to post by Afterthought


Indeed, however most of what the MSM has actually reported as "fact" wasn't speculation. It was given to them as "fact" by the FBI and other law enforcement. The claims of where the moms body was found, the dads body found, the dad being alive, the location of moms body changing. These are ALL thing told to the MSM by the "authorities" yet when questioned in a public forum these same "authorities" have no answers. They know that within a week this, just like the Holmes thing, this will not be the center focus anymore making them less accountable for providing valid facts in this case.

The kicker is that no matter the rank or Dept. of the official providing all of this disinformation to the MSM, it trickles down from much "higher powers" (they think theyre gods and the wording fits so..). When the "officials" (puppets) speak to the MSM about the facts its not a bunch of "well idk, uhhhh, b'duh b'duh", no. Its scripted or they get fed what to say through an earpiece. Those talking rarely even have a clue..

Example: They gave us an interview with the police chief last night. He didn't tell us anything we hadn't already heard and couldn't answer any valid questions. HOWEVER, its not his jurisdiction! It hasn't been Newtowns local PD from the get go. FBI stepped right in, so did Obama.. so getting briefed by the Newtown police chief is arbitrary. He doesn't know anything! Yet 50 journalists will crowd him because TPTB said it was ok for him to talk to them, as long as he didn't say anything.

reply to post by Gregorian




More and more i am leaning towards this idea, that all these random ultra violent shootings that have no logical explanation, are just people who are brainwashed into comitting these acts.

They probably kidnapp these people and do something to them, to control them.

How else would ll these individuals have access to all these expensive and hard to obtain weapons and equipments?

But people will brush this off as nothing more than ramblings of a conspiracy theorist. And their actions will continue to get worse and will go undetected.

I said it once and ill say it again, if they could oull of the 9/11 attacks and convince the world that some previously unknown middle eastern man did it....then they can do anything.

And get away with it...its too late to try and warn your friends and family..the generL public is too far gone...

Save yourself

reply to post by Afterthought


?? The point is you can not make claims that this is some MKULTRA experiment or whatever without evidence to back it up. If you have none to present, you can't just say it's because the media won't show you the evidence, and have no evidence for that claim either. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So what I'm saying is, this "mind control" "mkultra" claims are nothing but fantasy and wild speculation until anyone can provide any evidence to back them up, but of course folks hear will believe them anyway without evidence just because it fits in with their chosen world view.

Anyways, it's pretty pointless to try to argue logic in threads like this, because they just attract a bunch of people who already made up their mind that it was a conspiracy the second they read a headline about a "mass shooting" and don't want to hear or star anything but other people agreeing with their own beliefs. So have fun believing everything is a conspiracy, I'll retire from this thread and head back to the real world now.

there must be something more going on than meets the eye.

1) the aurora theater shooter, the mall shooter and the school shooter all had mental problems

2) In all three events first reports say there were two shooters.

3) Everyone one of these guys were said to be unlikely candidates to be shooters yet all three end up shooting.

If there is nothing behind these shootings it is sure highly coincidental.

Do you think there could be subliminal's coming over the TV that are brainwashing these of weaker minds?

We that watch very little if any TV have noticed that those of like mind don't have all these crazy stuff.

It would seem the media is complacent to some degree

Having reviewed these shootings, I have yet to find any evidence that links these shooters. And even if there was a conspiracy by the CIA or Government or what have you---why would they set this operation up in way that would allow you to think these shootings were connected in any way other than the way in which the gunmen carried them out? That wouldn't make any sense to em if I was the manager of such an operation. If I was a government or CIA (or w/e) official who was running this operations to either (a) keep key people silent about certain secrets the public isn't privy to or (b) incite the public to enforce stricter gun control, I would make these operations look as random and indiscriminate, as they currently look. So, will we find any evidence of a connection? Probably not---either because their is no connection ( which is highly probable) or because the operators of this program want it that way.


In fact, the closest evidence anyone on ATS has ever had involving the mindset of a shooter (if we are to go with the theory that the shooters are mind-controlled/programmed) is the discordant writing of Jared Laughner here on ATS. If anything...something in his rantings would give us an incite into what a possible programmed killer would have experienced during his programming (if, he was in fact programmed that is). But I have yet to see anyone do a thorough analysis of this yet, which puzzles me. Anyway, just musing....

-Ghoster

reply to post by darkest4


I'm not claiming anything as fact. I'm discussing.
If you believe MK Ultra is fantasy, that's fine.
Although, if you were to do some actual historical research, you'd pop that little bubble you live in and that may not be good for your mental health. Especially since you cannot even tolerate other people discussing it who have researched it.

Originally posted by ThisToiletEarth


I'm not "like minded" to anyone in the skunk pen. Have fun. No need to respond as I do not consider you "like minded" and am choosing to walk away from this nonsense. Later.

You mean "open minded" and/or enjoying speculation for its own sake? Yeah... what fools! [/sarcasm]

Scientists make monkeys smarter using brain implants. Could you be next?

io9.com...

By implanting an electrode array into the cerebral cortex of monkeys, researchers were able to restore — and even improve — their decision-making abilities. The implications for possible therapies are far-reaching, including potential treatments for cognitive disorders and brain injuries.

Rats Made Remoted-Controlled With Brain Implants

rense.com...

The experiment involved exploiting the principle that an animal can be trained to do tasks by stimulating "reward" regions of the brain that normally respond to food, drink and sex.

Let's not forget that the part of the brain that responds to food, drink, and sex is also known as the Reptilian Brain.

Originally posted by Logman
Back to GLP with you and your horsesh#t.

I agree!

Why can't a twisted lost soul be a killer without having some covert government psy-op involved now a days?

C'mon, look around. There are a million reasons why people are so disheartened, discouraged and disgruntled these days. The future doesn't look too bright for these young adults.

Sure, you can tweak this to fit the 'down with our 2nd amendment' conspiracy or maybe......this was just another senseless and tragic killing.