Ban the Gun, Repeal the Second Amendment.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

- Ben Franklin

a man with a gun committing a crime, shouldnt be in an argument to take away rights of law abiding gun owners.

Yes it should, it's a very good reason to make guns more difficult and expensive to own, which will decrease the supply and make it harder for young people to buy them.

Originally posted by DirtyLiberalHippie
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

- Ben Franklin

I agree entirely with this statement. I must admit that I wasn't expecting it when I saw the username

Originally posted by CB328

a man with a gun committing a crime, shouldnt be in an argument to take away rights of law abiding gun owners.

Yes it should, it's a very good reason to make guns more difficult and expensive to own, which will decrease the supply and make it harder for young people to buy them.

Coming from a country where apparantly "all guns are bad", this argument has not proven to be valid in experience. Even our local "little city" gang is known to have a small arsenal of weapons. It would have been quicker, easier and cheaper for me to illegally obtain a firearm than it was for me to legally obtain one.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by nerbot

 

It's a tool, stop acting like a tool yourself. Because you don't need guns, doesn't mean I don't. Unless you want to volunteer to come over and beat off all the dangerous predators we have with sticks for us, then shut the hell up.....

Seems your good enough with sticks and stones. Why do you need guns?

sheesh, you'd last 10 minutes where I live.

reply to post by CB328


I would love to know how punishing over 24 million people, for a few people committing a crime is somehow rational to you......... You selfish jerks only think about yourselves.

reply to post by CB328


news flash, black markets don't require id cards

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Yeah OK, then why don't you volunteer to come protect my property with sticks and stones, that will make a hillarious youtube video. I promise I won't save you with my evil guns when the coyote/timberwolf hybrids rip you to pieces.....

and in a nation that likes to be all educaterd an such you'd ought to want to try a little research on guns. oh well captivity schmaptivity

There are more responsible gun owners than irresponsible, that I can promise. I personally do not buy guns based on if they are best suited to kill a person. I buy them best suited for the hunting I do. The gun used by the guy yesterday wasn't a fully auto. It was a semi auto. In a .223 caliber. Which is a relatively small caliber for those who don't know. He illegally obtained the weapon from his mother, which he also murdered. So all the checks in the world wouldn't have stopped him from getting the weapon. I do believe and armed officer at the school may have stopped him, but we will never know for sure. Many city school have armed officers at the door, along with metal detectors. Maybe this should be in every school. This seems a better answer than banning firearms. Banning will not stop anything, may even make guns more desireable.

Originally posted by SumerianSoldier
reply to post by Alfie1

 

You posted a link that didn't include knife murders anywhere on the page. maybe you misread my post. I said the UK's knife murders have exceeded our gun murders, and you have stricter gun laws.

Here's a link from one of your own papers in 2008. Link

Another with current gun murders by country. Link

edit on 15-12-2012 by SumerianSoldier because: (no reason given)

What I linked you to was an article showing that in the US in 2010 there were 8775 gun murders. The total of murders , by all causes, for the UK for 2011 was 638. So obviously knife murders in the UK cannot possibly exceed US gun murders.

From your link you seem to be mixing up knife crime with knife murders.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by boymonkey74

 

I think you are uninformed then. The "assault rifles" the common folk can get are semi automatic, not automatic. To even own a fully auto, you literally need to bribe people, by buying an expensive license, then also have the money to pay 100 times the cost to manufacture one, to buy the gun itself.

edit on Sat, 15 Dec 2012 16:14:32 -0600 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)

Not sure what the original comment was, but it's extremely easy to turn a semi auto into a fully auto.

Otherwise, i agree with yours posting i have read so far.

Originally posted by Liquesence

Not sure what the original comment was, but it's extremely easy to turn a semi auto into a fully auto.

But it would be illegal to do so - and that's the point. If someone is going to break the law and is intent on finding a way then they are not going to care about the restrictions.

At least, I think that's the point. I've rather forgotten what the original point of the thread was

reply to post by EvillerBob


had to do with resisting a tyrannical government banning our guns like other totalitarian governments

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The original point was ban the gun and change the constitution. Or promote the criminal and alienate the law abiding, as I have come to interpret

Originally posted by Fireman205253
There are more responsible gun owners than irresponsible, that I can promise. I personally do not buy guns based on if they are best suited to kill a person. I buy them best suited for the hunting I do. The gun used by the guy yesterday wasn't a fully auto. It was a semi auto. In a .223 caliber. Which is a relatively small caliber for those who don't know. He illegally obtained the weapon from his mother, which he also murdered. So all the checks in the world wouldn't have stopped him from getting the weapon. I do believe and armed officer at the school may have stopped him, but we will never know for sure. Many city school have armed officers at the door, along with metal detectors. Maybe this should be in every school. This seems a better answer than banning firearms. Banning will not stop anything, may even make guns more desireable.

I appreciate that it is part of your culture but, to an outsider, it seems really weird that a middle-aged mum would keep a semi-automatic rifle at home for her nutcase son to pinch. What on earth for ?

If you have to make all your schools into fortresses with armed guards and metal detectors doesn't that indicate something has gone very wrong ?

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kinda like the gun was planted there

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Now they are "not sure" that the guns were even the mothers *sigh*, the "facts" are changing on an hourly basis it seems. Also now handguns were not used, just the rifle, which most of us saw taken from the vehicle on news footage......

Originally posted by DirtyLiberalHippie
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

- Ben Franklin

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so."

- Adolf Hitler

Originally posted by Alfie1

I appreciate that it is part of your culture but, to an outsider, it seems really weird that a middle-aged mum would keep a semi-automatic rifle at home for her nutcase son to pinch. What on earth for ?

If you have to make all your schools into fortresses with armed guards and metal detectors doesn't that indicate something has gone very wrong ?

It seems weird simply because of the cultural difference. We do have middle-aged mums owning semi-auto firearms in the UK but (i) a much smaller percentage of the population is part of the shooting community, (ii) they probably wouldn't advertise the fact outside of that community and (iii) women are a much smaller part of the shooting community anyway. I can only think of two people that I personally know who would fit that profile.

As for the fortresses - plenty of schools like that in the UK, though perhaps without the armed security. My daughters' primary school is probably harder to get into than the local bankvault, even as a parent Some schools (mostly secondary and in rougher areas) have metal detectors in place and teachers can get training and authority to search pupils.