Breaking News - Shooting at Newtown, Connecticut elementary school.

reply to post by nowayreally


in response to your faulty assertion that people on RXs do not kill others, but only might do a suicide

Canadian judge rules SSRI antidepressants like Prozac can cause children to commit murder

Sunday, December 18, 2011 by: Jonathan Benson, staff writer

Learn more: www.naturalnews.com...

this link is not proof positive but it sures squelches your protest

Originally posted by AuntB
reply to post by PaperbackWriter

 

Yes, seriously. How was he to know? He found out when he went home. For some reason I don't find it odd that he was clueless to breaking news for a few hours.

Not a few hours. All day. He was coming home from work in late afternoon when the reporter questioned
him.

Who decided he was dead in Hoboken? Why was he not specifically tracked down when searching for next of kin when they thought it was Ryan? or later when they think it is Adam?

Even if he was clueless there were many other people who knew him well who would be calling him and sending condolences but most suspicious are the lack of police contact earlier in the day.
Other than to erroneously declare he was found dead, supposedly.

reply to post by St Udio

Though the Winnipeg boy that committed the heinous crime had allegedly abused prescription drugs and "experimented" with coc aine long prior to the incident, he had never had a violent or aggressive personality about him, according to reports. It was only when he began taking Prozac, the very thing doctors had given him as a so-called "solution" to his previous illicit drug problems, that he began to rapidly go off the deep end.

Learn more: www.naturalnews.com...

I was not speaking on behalf of ALL people- I was speaking baed on MY experiences- I believe I mentioned that it was of my own opinion. Also, this man was also not a child who was just put on an RX. children should not take medication like prozac, I agree tenfold that children should not go on prescription medication, but the source you quoted also describes a coc aine using and prescription abusing child. the child may have simply reached his boiling point as his illness transgressed- BUT, Im in no position to make claims as I dont know anything about the sorce you quoted.

And please dont get me wrong- I am no prescription advocate either. Ive seen too many Doctors simply push pills to mentally ill clients to justshut them up and move them on their way- and Ive seen too many bad reactions to meds. occur as well. My posts are simply my prespective on the situation as my experience and education leads me to believe.
But I do appreciate your link as I would like to know more about the Canadian boy in the above story. thanks for the info.!

Anybody else think how unbelievably insane it is that the media was so quick to jump to conclusions about who the shooter was? I haven't read through the entire thread but I wish I could find the screenshots of this guy defending himself over facebook saying he was at work when this happened and people on his friend list were questioning if it was him. How #ing sick is that! It's so sad that that's all the media cares about; getting the name of the villain out before anybody else does.

# this society makes my soul ache. Just another false flag operation and sadly beautiful, innocent souls we're harvested for what? "Gun control". We're already there. There's nothing wrong with handling firearms, it's the society that this government has created that's sick.

Update- Press conference suppose to begin within minutes- after being 2 hours late; it was suppose to begin at 8am- so we'll see.

Quote from The Daily Beast.

News organizations are trying to be as responsible as possible while still providing details of the tragedy. The narrative being pieced together is that Adam Lanza, who is from Newtown, traveled to a family home in Hoboken, N.J., yesterday, and killed at least one person there before going back to Connecticut. It is believed that one victim is Lanza’s father. Lanza’s girlfriend and a friend are reported missing in New Jersey.

So if not the father, then who is the dead guy in Hoboken and why was it thought that Adam was the killer?
This has been dropped altogether.
Anybody living in the Hoboken area see local papers about a dead body found?

Hi all. Although I have been perusing this site for years, I never made an account til now. Love this site!

Anyway, I have read every single page of this thread and haven't seen this speculated on yet...

I am a prepper and the very first thing that popped out at me about this was the mention of the NEW AR-15 this mother had. A Bushmaster no less. Thats a $1500 weapon that is a main staple of the prepper movement. There were no avid hunters living with this woman and the two 9mm pistols seem enough for home protection....so why the AR??

Add to that, by all accounts so far, little is known about this family even from neighbors. Terms like,"they were quiet, and weren't all that social. Yet another common characteristic of the prepper crowd.

My thoery on this is that in the coming days, we will be told this family was crazy as they had stores of food, weapons, and general prepper materials. The media will then demonize preppers and will say something like," why didnt anyone SAY anything to authorities about these crazy prepping nutjobs?"

Every news report I have heard on this tragedy have some talking-head psychiatrist saying that,"the warning sighns must have been there so WHY didnt anyone mention this odd behavior to the authorities?"

To me, it sounds like they are also advocating snitching on neighbors yet again. What could authorities do if say my neighbor called LEO's and said," my neighbor has guns and is just acting strange, come check him out."

Right now, they could do absolutely nothing. If a cop knocks on my door with some nonsense about a fearful neighbor, I will call the State Police and have them removed from my property forthwith. Perhaps they want to be able to do warrentless searches in the name of saving children.

I realize the devastation to these families and in no way want to muddy waters with conspiracies befor all information is in, but in this day and age, its really hard to NOT see ulterier motives.

On a side note...I didnt hear anyone crying to ban drones when Obama MURDERED a 16 year old American citizen. You cant pick and choose which deaths MEAN something. Its called quid pro quo.

Oh...one more thing. Whats with Bloomberg and company even doing calling for banning of assault rifles??
Two pistols were used in this massacre, not a rifle. In fact, the guy in Oregon who tried to use an ar15 only managed two kills. Seems handguns should be the topic, not something that wasnt even used.

Sorry for rambling, just had alot of pent up thoughts swirling around.

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Originally posted by Taggart
reply to post by destination now

 

The Connection with Thomas Hamilton and the school was significant in some ways. He had been tagged as a pedophile despite to my knnowledge not ever been charged with such crimes but he was stopped from teaching scouts from the higher uppers as they were worried about his behaviour after reports.
He'd blamed his failed business on that after being known as a pedophile, and there are other conections to children which all come back to that.
I have absolutely no sympathy for him just explaining that Him/children and schools are connected.
At the time I was in the last year of school, I live in Cumbria and we had our own massacre 2 years ago.

I agree to an extent that people thought he was very strange, but he was never tagged as a paedophile,although he believed he had been, he was simply an inept leader but yes, there was a great deal of involvement with a number of "higher ups" This is a very interesting article about Thomas Hamilton Dunblane Killer

But, all of that aside, to gun down a class of five year olds, in the gymnasium of their school who were in no way connected to his perceived persecution is just sickening and unforgivable

Yes, I remember the Derrick Bird rampage, yet another instance where you cannot ever know what will send a person over the edge and do terrible things and availability of guns is not the cause, just that a person has reached a point of no return.

What to do about that? I don't know the answer sadly, except hope that it will never happen again, but even more sadly, I know that it will

reply to post by MisterMaster


Welcome!!
I like your perspective. Thank you for sharing. I have no doubt that this event will be a catalyst for many political issues and attempts to infringe on our freedoms as a 'response to this event' as this plays out in coming days and weeks, etc.

reply to post by nighthawk1954


Man, I was doing better until I read this:

"I told them we had to be absolutely quiet. Because I was just so afraid if he did come in, then he would hear us and just start shooting the door. I said we have to be absolutely quiet. And I said there are bad guys out there now and we need to wait for the good guys to come get us out," Roig told ABC News.

"If they started crying, I would take their face and say it's going to be OK. Show me your smile," she said. "They said, we want to go home for Christmas. Yes, yeah. I just want to hug my mom, things like that, that were just heartbreaking."

Read more: www.ctpost.com...

I can't stop thinking about those 20 beautiful innocent children who won't be going home for Christmas or hugging their mom. I can't help thinking about the fear and confusion they must have felt in their last moments. It's killing me.

reply to post by MisterMaster


There was an article posted a page back on the father

www.chron.com...

"Peter Lanza, a vice president of taxes for GE Energy Financial Services, declined to answer questions from reporters in front of his home in Stamford in the Westover section of the city.

Lanza has worked as tax specialist and had served as an adjunct professor at Northeastern University in Boston since 1995."


"According to court documents, Peter Lanza was required to send significant alimony payments to Nancy Lanza, including monthly payments of $10,000 a month and increasing to a minimum of $12,450 up until 2023.

The court documents list Peter Lanza's gross weekly income as $8,556 and that he was required to pay all of Adam Lanza's college and graduate school expenses."

Doesn't sound like a a prepper to me but certainly a rich family.

reply to post by MisterMaster


Mister Master, the police have not yet release any information about the loadout that the murderer used. Therefore all speculation on that matter, is largely moot until any such announcement or update is made. Theres a news conference on right now....

The irrational and senselessness of it compounded now that the mother wasn't a teacher there and one of the dead targets.........

reply to post by destination now


Yes I read a lot about it after the Derrick bird shooting, I and my entire family live all the vicinity of the Bird shooting. The first killing happened like 20 seconds away from my grandmothers, then he went on the run in his car and everyone who had heard what was happening was on high alert. My great Aunt knew him and lived down the road from him. It was a real bad time for the whole area and although time has moved on Whitehaven and surrounding areas will never be the same again. l was born there but moved 6 miles away when I entered my late teens now 30.

Every now and then there are false reports of it happening again and everyone goes on high alert, hell I know people who get freaked out over fireworks in the area (when not at the normal times of year).

So he did force his way in and also left some incriminating writing.

I believe in the end somebody probably had an idea that this killer was losing it.

Shootings @ highschools
fear in your schools

Shootings @ workplace
fear in your jobs

Shootings @ sihk temple
fear in your churches

Shootings @ colleges
fear in your campuses

Shootings @ movie theater
fear in your recreation

Shootings @ elementary school
fear for your children

what's next?

reply to post by Taggart


Im having a hard time figuring out what point you are trying to make. Are you saying because the father makes 900k per year that his wife isn't a prepper? Is there some monetary cut off point if one decides to be a prepper?

Occams Razor my friend....the only viable reason I can think of for a woman to buy an assault rifle is prepping. She doesnt collect guns, shes not a LEO, can't hunt with it as its illegal, people dont buy them for decorations, so any other reason just doesnt make sense to me.

Noone really knows for sure here, but please don't automatically dismiss a thoery based on assumptions...it was only a thoery

reply to post by MisterMaster


There is no cut off point monetarywise but there is no other suggestion that she is a prepper other than your conjecture.

reply to post by TrueBrit


I beg to differ. I was wathcing live news feed when they removed the rifles from the car. The only information that has not changed is the fact that two 9mm guns were used and only those. The State Police spokesperson said during every press briefing that two handguns were used and only two handguns.

Dont wanna be confrontational here, but I did say it was a thoery, not fact. We have 90 pages of pure speculation here and we are all using the info available. The loadout was 9mm...no mention of anything else has happened.