Breaking News - Shooting at Newtown, Connecticut elementary school.

Originally posted by snarky412

Originally posted by PaperbackWriter

Originally posted by Manhater
Can someone post a recap fact check of events leading to and up to and the aftermath of this event. I really don't want to tread through60 pages.

I'm reading so many theories and it's hard to believe. Really mainly about the shooter. And who is HE. Was it a lone ranger or multiple shooters?

I heard he shot the principal first then the psychologist. Did he go to this school? Was he already out of this school? At some point he had to go the school and must of had bad vibes or got in trouble a lot to go after the principal and psychologist first.

Was his mother down the hall like they said?

If so, why didn't he go there first?

When I left, this thread was only at 4 pages, I come home and it's over 60 pages.

I need an executive summary.

Pretty please.

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I could attempt to respond but the story is still subject to revision every hour on the hour.

His mother wasn't a school teacher! She didn't teach at that school. How about them apples.
Meanwhile our local media is still reporting she died in her "classroom".

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The last we heard, not confirmed tho, was that she was a substitute teacher there at the school.
And she was killed first at home then he went to the school.

His father and older brother live in NJ....
They at first arrested the older brother due to the fact that the shooter had his brother's ID on him.
But then they released him after they concluded that he had nothing to do with this horrible crime.

They themselves are victims too, the father and brother.
Now they will have to face the wrath of the media as well as the public.
Be put under a microscope, if you will.
My thoughts and prayers go out to them as well.

Not the last I heard. I read she was a 'volunteer' at the school. Not a substitute.
I read the brother was at work all day. And making sure people on facebook were corrected.
That does not imply to me he was "under arrest" or being investigated despite the fact they had
his ID at first, or so we are told.

This whole things stinks to high heaven.

So someone just randomly travels across 3 states to a school they have no ties to... and guns down 30 people and then dies. CONVENIENT

The shooter's mother didn't even work at the school, none of the teachers know her, she isn't on the staff list (this was said during an interview with one of the teachers who works at the school!!). I heard reports that he shot his mother at school and then it was changed. The media is weaving and wobbling on the existence of his friends (not answering calls = dead in their POV) or his mom or his brother (who hasn't talked to the suspect in 2 years, but whose ID was stolen by the brother). But since he hasn't seen his brother since 2010, either he planned it way back then OR someone gave it to him.

And guess what, isn't this the perfect opportunity to enforce very strict gun laws? Someone shooting up a theater full of people wasn't enough. But when you go for the kids.. That strikes home. All I hear is the media drilling the picture of "dead kids" into our minds. It's horrible, yes, but it's being used, as they always do.

This is the opening for tyranny, plain and simple.

FOX/Greta reporting Team of Medical Examiners are working through the night, in the school building, to identify each person killed. They hope to release the bodies sometime tomorrow. From there they will go to the Coroner's facility for further investigation. Bullets removed, injuries noted. I pray the Families of all involved get their loved ones back soon, for burial. Also mentioned earlier, there are trauma counselors on site, working with the teams in the building.

Des

Originally posted by RobinB022

Originally posted by NinjaKitteh

Originally posted by OpenEars123
Where was god today?? Or every day? whilst innocent children are slain...
So many people's lives are permanently ruined because of this, and other tragedies that happen to children all day every day..

He was greeting them at the pearly gates

God isn't about making things happen or not happen on an individual basis in this, our daily life, he's about what goes on for eternity.

He is in all of us, so the question is as it has always been; Where were we?

Huck explains it's quite well.

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Here in the UK, SKY News recently spoke to a said neighbour of the Lanza family. He said the Parents were Divorced etc. and how he had never heard guns fired and saw them as being ok. The neighbours first name by the way was RYAN. Check it for yourself on Sky News.

Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by Hopeforeveryone

 

That is because they think the killer has been using the brother's identity.

A lto of the stuff that was flying around wasn't even confirmed by the police.

If it hasn't been officially released, it can't be considered as fact.

anyone who knows how crime scene investigation works knows that all the facts are not upfront or immediate. It takes time to find information. CSI isn't real.

The news media's only job is to report facts, of which, due to contraints on the amount of information the police are able to reveal, are few. They have to fill the news reports with something to maintain the interest of their veiwers, god forbid they go elsewhere and lower viewing figures, which could affect potential advertising revenue. I may be cynical but i think the media is making a real mess out of this tragedy.

We'll hate to disagree but the media's job (at least nationally) in reality is to try and shape public opinion and secondly to garner some additional dollars that the payoffs don't provide. Project/Operation Mockingbird provides a lot of insight and light into the 'kept press'. Hard to know just when one gets 'facts' rather than 'Sheeple food'.

Found the info about the new security measures that were implemented earlier in the year:

Dear Members of our Sandy Hook Family,

Our district will be implementing a security system in all elementary schools as part of our ongoing efforts to ensure student safety. As usual, exterior doors will be locked during the day. Every visitor will be required to ring the doorbell at the front entrance and the office staff will use a visual monitoring system to allow entry. Visitors will still be required to report directly to the office and sign in. If our office staff does not recognize you, you will be required to show identification with a picture id. Please understand that with nearly 700 students and over 1000 parents representing 500 SHS families, most parents will be asked to show identification.

newyork.cbslocal.com...

So I ask again,

1) Why did they let this guy in?
2) There are reports that there was an argument in the principals office that was heard over the intercom. What was this argument about?
3) Why was the shooter wearing a mask?
4) What is the status of the 2nd person that was detained after being found hiding in the woods?
5) Edit: Why was the mother so heavily armed. I know single mothers who own guns, but never met one who had an entire arsenal at her disposal.

I thought this thread was just for posting facts. What I listed are facts (i.e. new security measures, implementation of visual monitoring system, let guy in, shooter was wearing a mask, 2nd suspect detained etc.)

A theory would be saying something like "well, he wore the mask to disassociate himself from the crime". That's a theory, not a fact.

Mods, I know I'm new here, but could we create a separate thread for those who just want to get into a shouting match over who's feeling worse than whom as a result of this tragedy, and just use this one to post facts about the shooting?

My prayers to the families

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abcnews.go.com...

Well, though I have read that there are people who "know" the victims, for all the major revisions to the
story, if the principal was killed and the teachers were killed, and the mother wasn't there, as reported.
Wasn't even a teacher at all.
How would you prove that there really was a roomful of kids killed there either?

Flame away.

I might add I have seen no evidence of the existence of Adam Lanza except a photo that looks like
he might be in the 8th grade.

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Yeah i was being too kind to the "media". It's real job is to entertain and make money, The brainwashing is free.

reply to post by CoolStoryMan
Politicise nothing, just get the facts out of the bag and Think. This heartbreaking tragedy is sad enough and as the Parent of a Murdered . Beloved Son, I know a broken heart cannot be repaired,

WHY ?
WHY?
WHY?

A question I meet every day and not even the Murderous louse has ever been able to answer.

Yet each year the USA suffers 26,000 Murders and still you prefer to hide behind poxy Bullets.......WHY?

reply to post by aivlas

9:37 p.m.: A Sig Sauer and a Glock semi automatic handgun were used in the slaying and that .223 shell casings – a round used in a semi automatic military style rifle – were also found.

Points to a second shooter maybe....... The .233 was found in the vehicle outside, unless they changed that story too now. Hard to keep up.

Mother was reported dead at home, dead at the school, and alive. Father was reported both dead and alive as well.

Originally posted by aivlas
reply to post by loveguy

 

A parent interviewed on CBS News told the network that his 8-year-old daughter said she heard an argument and cursing over the school’s loudspeaker, apparently coming from the principal’s office. Her teacher then immediately locked the classroom door as a safety precaution.

northhills.patch.com...

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Thanks,

It makes sense to believe the son of divorced parents discovers something ain't right with the way the Principal pats his Mothers' rear-end? That's the gist of what I've been picking up. Also, what I read here was the shooters brother claiming him to be developmentally disabled? Imagine that the boys' father is his hero, but has to live with mom...Principal + Mom = consequences. That's the only way I can rationalize this craziness.

Leave it up to Politicians to ride the coat-tails of a senseless tragedy-after the fact...nobody is pushing to ban the manufacturing of weapons at the moment? I wonder why.

Originally posted by Destinyone
FOX/Greta reporting Team of Medical Examiners are working through the night, in the school building, to identify each person killed. They hope to release the bodies sometime tomorrow. From there they will go to the Coroner's facility for further investigation. Bullets removed, injuries noted. I pray the Families of all involved get their loved ones back soon, for burial. Also mentioned earlier, there are trauma counselors on site, working with the teams in the building.

Des

I couldn't even begin to imagine one of my babies lying in that school dead,alone waiting to be released for me to bury.
They are dead and no longer your child,but the property of the coroner till they release them.

Originally posted by slingshot
Found the info about the new security measures that were implemented earlier in the year:

Dear Members of our Sandy Hook Family,

Our district will be implementing a security system in all elementary schools as part of our ongoing efforts to ensure student safety. As usual, exterior doors will be locked during the day. Every visitor will be required to ring the doorbell at the front entrance and the office staff will use a visual monitoring system to allow entry. Visitors will still be required to report directly to the office and sign in. If our office staff does not recognize you, you will be required to show identification with a picture id. Please understand that with nearly 700 students and over 1000 parents representing 500 SHS families, most parents will be asked to show identification.

newyork.cbslocal.com...

So I ask again,

1) Why did they let this guy in?
2) There are reports that there was an argument in the principals office that was heard over the intercom. What was this argument about?
3) Why was the shooter wearing a mask?
4) What is the status of the 2nd person that was detained after being found hiding in the woods?
5) Edit: Why was the mother so heavily armed. I know single mothers who own guns, but never met one who had an entire arsenal at her disposal.

I thought this thread was just for posting facts. What I listed are facts (i.e. new security measures, implementation of visual monitoring system, let guy in, shooter was wearing a mask, 2nd suspect detained etc.)

A theory would be saying something like "well, he wore the mask to disassociate himself from the crime". That's a theory, not a fact.

Mods, I know I'm new here, but could we create a separate thread for those who just want to get into a shouting match over who's feeling worse than whom as a result of this tragedy, and just use this one to post facts about the shooting?

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So many of these 'random shootings' over and over where the alledged 'lone gunman' always seeks to work in the shadows, with a mask, or smoke bombs, or behind a curtain. lights out, etc. etc. and ends up dead somewhere from 'suicide', always nearly impossible to identify the shooter *positively* with the body blamed later. I'm still going to remain sceptical, so many shootings these seem to have an AGENDA Imo.

Originally posted by NinjaKitteh

Because some people believe that there is inherent good in most people including our various leaders at various levels.

And so do I. But that doesn't mean we can't have an opinion about what the reason for it was

Because some people don't believe that each and every person in the world other than themselves is a bastion of evil just dreaming up ways to screw other people over in hopes of gaining some degree of power over them. Because some people lost the most valuable thing in the world today, their child and because those people are going through pain that most of us could never even imagine and other people on here are trying to totally ignore that pain they are going through and try to make some conspiracy out of it.

Sure, anyone who has apathy after this is morally corrupt. But I'm not talking about apathetic people. I'm talking about voicing an opinion no matter how controversial that opinion is. I'm not suggesting talking to families about it, but here, where we have a medium to do this. No parents of this tragedy are on ATS in this thread today. I can assure you.

Because most people in the world have a heart and have empathy toward others and wish to prevent causing more pain to others, especially the people who are already in tremendous pain. Because some people are human as opposed to high functioning animals not capable of emotion or caring or love or empathy.

What more pain? You're stuck in a mindset. I think the MSM is causing more pain talking about it on every channel, every minute. I've had it on BBC at the top of the hour and the subject hasn't changed. Why is that better?

Mostly, because it's so dang tacky to act that way in the same day that such a tragedy has happened.

It's not tacky. My heart goes out to the families and the horror of the events is incomprehensible.With that said, now let's get to the bottom of it and figure this out no matter how controversial you think it is. If you think it's tacky then perhaps make a thread with 55+ blank pages of nothing but just silence.

Originally posted by loveguy

It makes sense to believe the son of divorced parents discovers something ain't right with the way the Principal pats his Mothers' rear-end? That's the gist of what I've been picking up. Also, what I read here was the shooters brother claiming him to be developmentally disabled? Imagine that the boys' father is his hero, but has to live with mom...Principal + Mom = consequences. That's the only way I can rationalize this craziness.

The principal was a woman. Unless you're thinking there was something Cinemax-worthy going on.

Yes this is a terrible fact some of the children are dead, i'm sure the prarents of these that have died in this terrible act, are in far grater need of our prayers and condolences, than those that have returned to their maker. Those that are injured and in serious condition I'm sure could use the prayer and support of those that are near and dear to them, along with all of the good people that would offer to comfort them if they could.

It must also be remembered while looking through all of this pain, that this has been professed here on ATS many times and these children and adult victims are intended to be used for the direct propose of what has been professed so many times on ATS.
That which being that this, the deaths of the innocent would be used as fodder, as a reason to justifies the taking away of our Second Amendment Right's to bear arms.
This is a truly horrible thing, that has happened to our Innocent, but to use them to justify another crime against the people is again a horrible injustice to all.

I myself felt and though of the pain the poor parents of these children and all who lost friends and loved ones, must be going threw, as I have felt this pain myself.

To me it is even worse to know that those in power, would use this, the fear and pain of what has happened to inflict an even greater injustice on the people. You have to realize guns are not bad, people are bad, but then again, there are good people out there that would put there life on the line to help others, and I don't mean people getting paid for it, like the police, I mean good men and women who stand for all that is right and good. Not to brag but when my time comes I will not shutter in fear for the evil I have inflicted on this world, I'll just say Daddy I'm home.

The reason our Founding Fathers put the Second Amendment in the bill of right's in the first place, was to keep Government in check and protect the people, if thing got out of hand. You remove the gun from the hand of the good , righteous men, then we are all doomed.

I know a lot of you know what I'm talking about this was predicted many time on ATS, this is falling in to play now as they plan to panic everyone into thinking guns are bad and they need to be remove from the good people of the USofA.

Listen to this woman link www.youtube.com...