Something super weird is going on with the Oregon shooting....

reply to post by kicker074


Is it not kinda irrelevant if the Mall had a No guns policy?

Originally posted by otie1
all i know is being from Oregon, if anything makes national news something is up... The energy surrounding this is unreal-our whole state is buzzing.
I really think there is more to the story than we are being fed.
During the press confrence clackamas co sheriff stated no shots were fired "inside" the mall.--a reporter asked if any shots were fired outside and the officer literally froze

I heard the Sheriff also. What he was making a point of was how they "knew" the "gunman" shot himself was because no member of law enforcement fired their weapon inside the mall.

Now what you went on to say about any shots being fired outside the mall and the doe in the headlights look,
that is very interesting.

reply to post by unphased


Aurora = Dawn..

PNAC = Project for a new American CENTURY..
Talked about a new pearl harbor attack that would accelerate change in America..
Century Theater.

So..

The Dawn of the New American Century?

Only way America survives not having an economy is not needing one.. I wonder if guns and capitalism are leaving the game in the same stride?

I guess it's more realistic than a thousand year reich..

Thinking out loud second night with no sleep so maybe this doesn't make any sense. That's my disclaimer..

Originally posted by Hefficide

Early reports, that have now disappeared, stated the shooter was a 17 year old male. That is not verified and may have been incorrect. But if it was correct, three something in the afternoon would be after school and would make sense.

~Heff

A young person could be going through stress at this time of year, if he has mid-term exams, etc. Anything could set off a person around that age, if they already have underlying mental issues. Stress is hard at any age, but a teen going through the normal teen stressers (ppers/girlfriends/schools/establishing identity apart from parents) is hard enough without adding some kind of mental problems.

Then - add the whole December 21/end of world hysteria. I hope this has nothing to do with it.
Just recently I have actually heard some young people say they are terrified that there is something real to the Dec. 21 theories. I tried to bring them to reality, but this has been firmly planted in their minds.

I really hope we do not see more of this due to the Dec. 21st hysteria. (disclaimer - no this has not been established as the cause in this case)

It seems they are saying that the gun jamming is what stopped the shooting.
Oh. Then how did he shoot himself?
Kept a weapon just for THAT?

This story is really hard to swallow.

Though the reports were that he fired 60 times.
The OP at the other thread and what few witnesses that have been interviewed on
the news that I have heard only mention hearing around 12 shots fired.

I am going to work, but when I come back, I plan to post a theory about all this.
Have a good one.

I think the OP is trying to draw too many connections. If you really want to go there why don't dig a little deeper?

Where did they each have their last meal? McDonalds maybe? oooooo!
Who made the bullets? Winchester perhaps? ooooooo! suspicious!
Did they both have Haines underware? Oh my!
Maybe they both had a Starbucks latte that morning? Stop the presses!
I'll bet they both had Facebook accounts! The smoking link!

Come on people s##t happens. People go nuts. They want to make as big of a statement as they can. How would you choose to make a big impact statement?

AS to how he could walk into the mall looking like that with an AK:
WHo said he did? It's xmas. Big shopping bags are the norm. It may be in a bathroom trash can.
It just doesn't matter.

The only up side to this is he killed himself. Or did he????? Who the F cares. My world doesn't revolve around thing like this.

reply to post by Hefficide

Picking malls or theaters as specific targets is, IMO, simply choosing the target of opportunity. Places where large numbers of people will be gathered, distracted, and focused upon things other than paying attention to their environment.

I don't believe theathers are specific ..

but places where huge crowds can gather are specific .. i.e. Empire State building, place of worship, even over seas it's happeneing..

Originally posted by unphased

Originally posted by Hefficide

Early reports, that have now disappeared, stated the shooter was a 17 year old male. That is not verified and may have been incorrect. But if it was correct, three something in the afternoon would be after school and would make sense.

~Heff

That would then raise the question about the AR-15. If he was 17 then at least for the time being they'd pull his personal info from the media.

IF he was 17, he had to have had a car, cuz if not then this guy's blown my mind twice..

and whose rifle..?

edit on 11-12-2012 by unphased because: (no reason given)

plus if he does drive.. he's driving illegal in Oregon if he's 17.. if I remember right, you can't have a license till 18yr old now.. don't quote me on that ..

anyways.. personally, I'd like to talk to anyone that was actually at the mall and saw the victims that were shot...

I think you really need to look at the dates on which these two incidents happened July 22, 2012 (22-07-12) and December 12, 2012 (11-12-12)

If you take the first date and add up all the numbers (2+2+7+1+2) you get 14. If you take the second date and add the numbers (1+1+1+2+1+2) you get 8. Then you add the two numbers and you get 22.

Now, if you subtract the first number from the second number . . . your answer is 'zero' . . . which, coincidentally is the same chance you have to ever really truly and with out question know what the hell was runnning through the mind of this person before he went berzerk and killed three people before doing what he clearly should have done in the garage of his home by himself where he couldn't harm others.

Century Theaters needs a better marketing campaign this is getting ridiculous.

Originally posted by Komodo

Originally posted by unphased

Originally posted by Hefficide

Early reports, that have now disappeared, stated the shooter was a 17 year old male. That is not verified and may have been incorrect. But if it was correct, three something in the afternoon would be after school and would make sense.

~Heff

That would then raise the question about the AR-15. If he was 17 then at least for the time being they'd pull his personal info from the media.

IF he was 17, he had to have had a car, cuz if not then this guy's blown my mind twice..

and whose rifle..?

edit on 11-12-2012 by unphased because: (no reason given)

plus if he does drive.. he's driving illegal in Oregon if he's 17.. if I remember right, you can't have a license till 18yr old now.. don't quote me on that ..

anyways.. personally, I'd like to talk to anyone that was actually at the mall and saw the victims that were shot...

Oregon Driver's License Laws

You can get a license at age 16 or 17 it is just a provisional license with restrictions. Can't drive between 12am and 5am, no passengers under age 20, no cell phones, etc etc.

Originally posted by samkent
Where did they each have their last meal? McDonalds maybe? oooooo!
Who made the bullets? Winchester perhaps? ooooooo! suspicious!
Did they both have Haines underware? Oh my!
Maybe they both had a Starbucks latte that morning? Stop the presses!

maybe he had a cup of psycho that day.

seriously though there is stuff not adding up here.
All these shootings in the us are looking allot like 28 April 1996.

Originally posted by GoalPoster
I think you really need to look at the dates on which these two incidents happened July 22, 2012 (22-07-12) and December 12, 2012 (11-12-12)

If you take the first date and add up all the numbers (2+2+7+1+2) you get 14. If you take the second date and add the numbers (1+1+1+2+1+2) you get 8. Then you add the two numbers and you get 22.

Now, if you subtract the first number from the second number . . . your answer is 'zero' . . . which, coincidentally is the same chance you have to ever really truly and with out question know what the hell was runnning through the mind of this person before he went berzerk and killed three people before doing what he clearly should have done in the garage of his home by himself where he couldn't harm others.

batman shooting wasn't on the 22nd, it was the 20th of july.

reply to post by amraks


It was July 22 on the secret plant 'Plagootiemera' which was in alignment with Niburu behind the sun, only adding to the fact that nobody will ever really truly know why this guy went crackerjack.

Thank you ever so much for correcting me, though. I can now get on with the rest of my life knowing that you missed the point entirely.

We can all speculate as to why but as Mr. Geldof once said,

He can see no reasons because there are no reasons, what reason do you need to die

reply to post by unphased


Try winter in eastern Canada. (Y)

Originally posted by GoalPoster
I think you really need to look at the dates on which these two incidents happened July 22, 2012 (22-07-12) and December 12, 2012 (11-12-12)

Can not see any where I completely missed the point.
How can you justify something, if nobody knows what incidents you are talking about.

not hammering you just trying to speculate on how you mentioned planets aligning on that date you mentioned, seemed like you left it out of your post.

or are you just trolling this thread with non-sense, unsustainable utter bs.

Look at the comparison between the Sik (sp) temple and the theater shooter?
Theater shooter .... Career student with a PHD thesis in mind control
Sik Temple shooter....Sargent in Army Psycological Operations attached to the 384th. The 384th is located in Auroa Colorado.
Look for the connections.......

Originally posted by unphased

Originally posted by CraigSnedeker

Originally posted by PaperbackWriter
The original story involved 3 people.
Now down to one.

Very suspect IMO.

Just like Holmes had two roomates, then none.

I updated the OP. I was up the morning of the Aurora shooting (4am east coast time for me) and it was initially reported that it was 3 gunman there.

Yes, I remember this. A gunman was spotted at a Helzberg jewelry store. Also, there was a photograph of Holmes' car that had a wrapped, brown package in it. Later on there was a photo of same car without the package. Lo and behold: A package arrives at a school for psychiatrist that supposedly was sitting in mail room for days.

What kind of wool are they pulling over our eyes?

reply to post by MmmPie

- Male/Female accomplices?
- Century Theater - "I am_________!" - AR15/Shotgun
- Initial reports have Perp in Camo w/mask, all black w/mask
- Interview with a Boyfriend/Girlfriend that doesn't make sense (in Aurora they had that couple that were interviewed by everyone, they knew EVERY detail given the circumstances, yet they missed the mark collaborating their stories)
- MSM releasing conflicting reports and then the original stories seemingly dissapear - Man in car wearing camo, also with a gun Maybe it's something, maybe it's nothing.

This is simply what I've noticed/read about the two shootings and how they are similar. Anyone else notice anything I can add to the list?

What about going to the suspects apartment afterwards?

I didn't have anyway to listen to the live feed yesterday, but I was following the thread here as things were developing.

These two quotes stood out to me and immediately my mind went to the Aurora shooting.

Just heard that too.Then something about heading over to an apartment.Sounds like they know who it is already.Said something about he was seen with the shooter before hand.

and someone else heard it too...

yeah thats what i heard so im thinking co conspirater suspect is in black shirt black pants cops seem to be slowly follwing the suspect(thats what i gatherd at least)

Then someone heard this...

canner said recently that they have a man with a weapon, lower level ramp at Sears. He is saying that he is CCSO but has no ID, etc.

That sounded strangely familiar to me as well. It was initially reported that James Holmes tried to blend in with SWAT

From Inside Edition

"There are two distinct differences that the responding officers saw. One was the kevlar neck protector. The other was the kevlar groin protector—neither of which, the Aurora, Colorado police department wears. The officers recognized that and they knew he wasn't one of theirs."

and from the NY Post -

“It was one aspect of what he was wearing that did not fit what a SWAT officer might be wearing. There was one particular piece of equipment that he had on him that was out of place,” Aurora Police Chief Daniel Oates said, declining to be specific.

Originally posted by texasgirl

Originally posted by unphased

Originally posted by CraigSnedeker

Originally posted by PaperbackWriter
The original story involved 3 people.
Now down to one.

Very suspect IMO.

Just like Holmes had two roomates, then none.

I updated the OP. I was up the morning of the Aurora shooting (4am east coast time for me) and it was initially reported that it was 3 gunman there.

Yes, I remember this. A gunman was spotted at a Helzberg jewelry store. Also, there was a photograph of Holmes' car that had a wrapped, brown package in it. Later on there was a photo of same car without the package. Lo and behold: A package arrives at a school for psychiatrist that supposedly was sitting in mail room for days.

What kind of wool are they pulling over our eyes?

Also that morning they had a bunch of police reportedly chasing "a male suspect" down through the Aurora Mall. Those reports disappeared after 45 or so minutes. James Holmes allegedly walked out of the theater to wait on police. There wasn't time for him to run to the mall. There had to be at least a second person.

Which is consistent with the "somebody else opened the door to let him in" theory.

I am a former retail manager and worked in a mall for many years in Dallas. Malls have some of the worst security so it doesn't surprise me that malls are now scenes of mass shootings. Had a terrible time getting security to come in a timely manner when we had a theft. Ridiculous. Security loved to hang out and chat with store employees.