Something super weird is going on with the Oregon shooting....

Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by unphased

Originally posted by jacktorrance
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Jacob Tyler Roberts.

They just released it.

If that's confirmed then somebody tell me why 3 very off shootings are all in reverse alphabetical order???

Jared Laughner
James Holmes
Jacob Roberts

Obviously they left secret codes so the Conspiracy theorists could figure it out...jeez.

Do you people really not see how ridiculous you sound?

Says the guy attempting to insult conspiracy theorists and skeptics on a conspiracy theory website......

Originally posted by Overability
Hello ATS.. My girlfriend and I were in the mall when the shooting happend. As she works in the mall, I met her durring her lunch break and we went into the food court to sit down and eat. A few minutes later he started shooting. He was on the second floor just outside of the Macy's store entrance and shot nearly 4-5 times in fairly rapid succession followed by a short break, and then more gunshots. From where we were seated, he was no more than 15 feet away. We managed to make it outside through the food court doors and into the crowd of people crying, shaking, some faint and managed to talk to several people immediately after the first shots were fired.

We spoke to a lady who said she was on the same bus he was on. She could describe him, in detail, as wearing all black and wearing some kind of mask with a skull pattern on it. I read today that investigators found his vehicle in the mall parking lot. However, I think it would be a bit of a stretch for the lady I talked to to imagine seeing this guy on the bus and tell a blatant lie in her panicked state. Maybe his car was already at the mall with the weapons, prior to him arriving; who knows.

I talked to another group of people that stated they saw him walking into the mall with two other people. One in standard army camouflage, and two wearing all black. Talking and listening to people outside, you heard that they saw someone shooting wearing either camouflage or dressed all in black leading me to believe there was more than one person involved. I don't know about you, but I think it would be very difficult to confuse "all in black" with "army camouflage"

The response time of local law enforcement was incredibly fast. We managed to exit the building in under 5 minutes and as we were leaving multiple armed law enforcement officers were already arriving and securing the scene. Within about 20-25 minutes the roads were blocked and various agencies were on site assisting.

Well, that IS weird. Another group stated they saw him walk into the mall with two other people? Two gunmen wearing black and one wearing camouflage, you say? That reminds me of the Columbine school shooting. Official reports claim two gunmen but over 100 witnesses claimed they saw at least 3. Two shooters in black and one in camouflage...

Originally posted by Overability

We spoke to a lady who said she was on the same bus he was on. She could describe him, in detail, as wearing all black and wearing some kind of mask with a skull pattern on it. I read today that investigators found his vehicle in the mall parking lot. However, I think it would be a bit of a stretch for the lady I talked to to imagine seeing this guy on the bus and tell a blatant lie in her panicked state. Maybe his car was already at the mall with the weapons, prior to him arriving; who knows.

I thought he parked his vehicle in the Macys parking lot though...? What's this about a bus??

All they need to do is pull tapes. The police report that he parked it there as though he did that right before. Could the lady be confused..?

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all they ever need to do is pull tapes and show us what happens...funny how that never happens though!

The lady we spoke to said she was on the bus sitting near a man dressed in all black and wearing a mask. I wasn't actually on that bus, I can't confirm her story.. but I did speak to her about 10 minutes after the first shots were fired in the parking lot outside of the theater. Not being able to clearly see or misinterpreting your environment durring a chaotic situation is understandable. It's hard to misinterpret what you saw while sitting calmly on the bus. I'm not trying to mislead, falsify fact or otherwise. It's simply one of the many conversations I personally had with people minutes after the shooting started. For all I know, one person drove a car, another took the bus, and they met at the mall. Who knows. Just relaying the information i've been given.

I have been saying for months that they were going to step it up with these mall shootings. The reason being, malls are supposed to be a safe and secure place for the public to enjoy themselves, once mall shopping starts to become a danger, followed by more shootings in other various public places, then Obama and Hills can step in and say it's time to do something about guns. I have predicted that this is coming, and it will be. How fast did that swat team show up? About as fast as they did the theater shooting.

this ENTIRE incident reeks of a horrible smell. the fact that this kid was a popular ordinary clackamas college student working at a gyro food place and got good grades in school to conflicting accounts as to what happened and an ar-15 jamming and reloading and *facepalm i wanna see what he was on. I WANT WHAT HAPPENED TO MAKE HIM SNAP I WANT THE LAST CALL MADE.

Shootings happen everyday in America...sometimes they shoot up a mall and it gets media attention. What is the conspiracy?

Go live in the city, you'll hear gunshots every night.

SOURCE

They confirmed that his fingerprints matched prints in a law enforcement database, though they did not find any crimes he was convicted of.

Can someone explain to me how someone, without a record, has their fingerprints in a crime database?????

I'd be interested in knowing if the general scene and/or scenario is similar to any in a video game, movie music video...something repetitive in popular culture. I also think the Christmas/Clackamas thing is pretty wild...and Happy Valley...

Originally posted by phantomjack
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They confirmed that his fingerprints matched prints in a law enforcement database, though they did not find any crimes he was convicted of.

Can someone explain to me how someone, without a record, has their fingerprints in a crime database?????

Is there a difference between a crime data base and a regular fingerprint database? I worked for Edward D. Jones a long time ago and had to get fingerprinted before I could start work. Maybe the guy once had a job requiring this.

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The paranoia factor. Parents are urged to have kids fingerprinted in case they are ever kidnapped. I cannot, off hand, think of a single parent that I know who hasn't done so.

~Heff

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And I can't think of a single one of my friends or family who have, including myself...

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman
I have been saying for months that they were going to step it up with these mall shootings. The reason being, malls are supposed to be a safe and secure place for the public to enjoy themselves, once mall shopping starts to become a danger, followed by more shootings in other various public places, then Obama and Hills can step in and say it's time to do something about guns. I have predicted that this is coming, and it will be. How fast did that swat team show up? About as fast as they did the theater shooting.

So, every time a disgruntled employee shoots his co-workers....every time a lonely geek with no girlfriend who was teased in high school shoots up a mall/movie theater....every time an ex-husband in the middle of a custody battle shoots his ex and her family and husband.....that's Obama trying to take away your guns?

What happened to free will? Are you saying these people don't think for themselves? Let's think about that for a minute. Just because you do not like the President, doesn't mean he sends subliminal messages telling you what breakfast cereal to eat or orders you to shoot up public places. Get a grip, people!

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schools? ummm also dmv's, BANKS. ummm im just thinking of places that ive come across.

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I did both my kids. Maybe I'm just showing my age.

Schools had drives to do it and then sent home kits so that we could do it at home as well - to have a copy on hand. And, if I am not mistaken, I paid quite a few bucks for it all.

~Heff

Originally posted by Overability
The lady we spoke to said she was on the bus sitting near a man dressed in all black and wearing a mask. I wasn't actually on that bus, I can't confirm her story.. but I did speak to her about 10 minutes after the first shots were fired in the parking lot outside of the theater. Not being able to clearly see or misinterpreting your environment durring a chaotic situation is understandable. It's hard to misinterpret what you saw while sitting calmly on the bus. I'm not trying to mislead, falsify fact or otherwise. It's simply one of the many conversations I personally had with people minutes after the shooting started. For all I know, one person drove a car, another took the bus, and they met at the mall. Who knows. Just relaying the information i've been given.

Given the fact it's winter, a mask isn't terribly out of place.. I doubt somebody would take a bus to a shooting spree and wear th mask the whole time you know?

Originally posted by phantomjack
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They confirmed that his fingerprints matched prints in a law enforcement database, though they did not find any crimes he was convicted of.

Can someone explain to me how someone, without a record, has their fingerprints in a crime database?????

Jason Bournes prints are probably in that same record...

All these damn J's... lol

Originally posted by Unidentified_Objective

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman
I have been saying for months that they were going to step it up with these mall shootings. The reason being, malls are supposed to be a safe and secure place for the public to enjoy themselves, once mall shopping starts to become a danger, followed by more shootings in other various public places, then Obama and Hills can step in and say it's time to do something about guns. I have predicted that this is coming, and it will be. How fast did that swat team show up? About as fast as they did the theater shooting.

So, every time a disgruntled employee shoots his co-workers....every time a lonely geek with no girlfriend who was teased in high school shoots up a mall/movie theater....every time an ex-husband in the middle of a custody battle shoots his ex and her family and husband.....that's Obama trying to take away your guns?

What happened to free will? Are you saying these people don't think for themselves? Let's think about that for a minute. Just because you do not like the President, doesn't mean he sends subliminal messages telling you what breakfast cereal to eat or orders you to shoot up public places. Get a grip, people!

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I don't know why but I have the urge to quote this and pick it apart. Here goes.

This isn't a "disgruntled employee" or a "lonely geek from highschool" acting out. Correct me if i'm wrong but the shooter had no prior record or history of violence. When you compare this event to an eerily similar event, well..lets compare.

James Holmes and Jacob Peters used an AR-15 assault rifle.

At the beginning of the story it was reported that James Holmes had two roommates. Those two 'roommates' disappeared and were scrubbed from the original story.

At the beginning of this story it was three shooters. Now it is down to a lone shooter who enacted this all out himself. All the while we have witness accounts of people seeing 3 men enter the Macy's. Two shooters scrubbed out of the story. See the similarities?

We aren't connecting things that have no correlation. We are merely connecting the dots to the puzzle pieces they lay out in front of us.

Psy-ops does exist. Mind control does exist. Handlers and puppets DO EXIST. I know it all sounds like fairy tale mumbo jumbo to you but it's a scary reality. "They" do everything with purpose. There are no coincidences when it comes to their rituals and plans. Everything they do, has a purpose.

I'm going to go eat dinner now, watching this thread, though.

Originally posted by texasgirl

Originally posted by phantomjack
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They confirmed that his fingerprints matched prints in a law enforcement database, though they did not find any crimes he was convicted of.

Can someone explain to me how someone, without a record, has their fingerprints in a crime database?????

Is there a difference between a crime data base and a regular fingerprint database? I worked for Edward D. Jones a long time ago and had to get fingerprinted before I could start work. Maybe the guy once had a job requiring this.

If I'm correct, that company doesn't have the right to release your prints to a L.E database.