Vertical Chem Trails ( What will they think of next? )

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by Uncinus

 

So you think this,,,



Looks like this,, notice the vertical climb of the upper left side of the picture



So in your opinion vertical trails might look like this,,



My point is you can't use a cartoon drawing , graph, whatever you want to call it and refute on the basis of what you choose to believe .. Not and be positive.

I think I understand now, since you don't seem to understand perspective and refuse to, you must also believe the world to be flat to claim these are vertical, Do you?

reply to post by InhaleExhale


Let me make this easy for our studio audience




Note in the pic above what I am showing you below now that both the grid and the real pic are overlay ed together

Now I am adding arrows to show on the left bottom a real trail just under the red straight line with red arrows pointing at it




also notice the trail at the upper left corner. that is a jet heading in an upward climb, regardless the two short large trails in question in no way resemble a fit on the grid. even if rotated the angle of decent is too great to taper to the horizon ahead as does the trail to the lower left.. CHECKMATE

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by waynos

 

There is nothing wrong with a zoom used on a photograph. Unless your using a picture that is zoomed and completely out of context to the issue here, I think we have established this is a draw. What I would like for the experts here who multitask "Debunk," would be to please tell me what the two protrusions are on the top left side of the trail to the right in the picture.

Just by using your superpowers and just looking at the zoomed image, the lower part what you call is the last part of the contrail and is thinner than than the upper part because it is dissipating from where it began to where it finished, low/thin part is where the plane just left contrails and are yet to dissipate and are far away, upper/thicker part are where the contrail has already been around for a while and has begun to spread from wind, the two protrusions are just more evidence of them spreading due to wind after persisting for how ever long.

If you would have taken photos from the same perspective maybe an hour later I am sure they would have spread even further

That's why the tops are smooth and rounded .. Lets talk about straight lines OK. we can speculate later. The grid overlay proves the two trails in question are not horizontal as the others in the same pic. Can you admit that or are you here to be correct rather than learn..The grid.... Any comments?


Being a master "Escape" artist doesn't make you correct.

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by Uncinus

 

BTW just FYI 17 miles the earth curvature effects what you are seeing in relation to straight above the ground //
Your image below is nonsense. depicting 40- 50-60 miles try 22 max...

Key words "straight above the ground"

This means when you look in a straight line towards the horizon, as soon as you look diagonally and towards an elevated area you will see much further, when a star is on the horizon as the earth rotates the star will rise in the sky, you don't think that star is only 17miles away as its viewed on the horizon, same goes for anything that's above ground and viewed on the horizon.

reply to post by CherubBaby


You really to stop and think do I really understand perspective, because everything you posting says otherwise

I really don't know how better to explain than I did in my previous post, thin part of that zoomed pick of the two you claim are vertical are where the contrail is trailing behind (imagine there is a plane at the thin part, this the start) and the thick part are where the contrails have begun to dissipate after the plane has gone and is flying towards the horizon in the same way you were facing when taking the pic.

If you cant understand, some more articulate please help

I see the same people always posting the same rubbish on these chemtrail threads. always linking back to "contrailscience". Is that your base of operations? Do you get paid to debunk every single chemtrail thread? Everybody who pays attention knows who I'm talking about, no names need to be said.

"This isn't a chemtrail it's a contrail, just look at this map and diagram that have nothing to do with your original picture or post. Look at all the big words I use I must know what I'm talking about. Source, contrailscience..."

You aren't fooling anybody. OP don't give up fighting. I for one, believe you but i'm not in the position to defend my beliefs so I observe from the shadows.

reply to post by CherubBaby


All you have here are broken contrails and some wind shear, Uncinus's and all the other examples example are as good as it's gonna get.

If you want a 'second' opinion try here,

contrailscience.com...

Of course you could stick with vertical chemtrails, but what sense does that make?

reply to post by InhaleExhale


Checkmate..Game over.

reply to post by CherubBaby


I don't know why some folks bother.

You win. They are vertical chem trails out to get you. Perspective is just another one of those "big words" that the debunkers use to obfuscate. Then we get paid.

reply to post by network dude


Do you have a quote where I said "They are out to get me?" I said they were vertical. you and the crew made it an issue.

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by InhaleExhale

 

Checkmate..Game over.

So you are playing games, I have suspected but now you just plain out admit your a troll

Have fun trying to delude the ignorant, many will listen

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by network dude

 

Do you have a quote where I said "They are out to get me?" I said they were vertical. you and the crew made it an issue.

No one made an issue of vertical chem/contrails other than yourself, other have tried explaining perspective with diagrams but your stuck on thinking some members are disinfo agents which is very telling for poster such as yourself who repeatedly post claims that are false and then tries to direct debate away from what they probably know is false after thinking logically but lack the courage to say I was wrong and persist with a deception.

reply to post by InhaleExhale


Now you are telling lies . smoke and mirrors. Learn to loose once in a while. It will make you a better winner and soldier.

BTW why are you substitute bating for the others? your new here and such an expert. hmmmmm

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by Uncinus

 

BTW just FYI 17 miles the earth curvature effects what you are seeing in relation to straight above the ground //
Your image below is nonsense. depicting 40- 50-60 miles try 22 max...

The figures above are not estimates. It's an exact model of what you will see if there actually was a 32,000 foot high horizontal grid up in the sky.

It was not created by drawing lines on a 2D, but by adding a 3D model of the exact proportions into Google Earth.

If you don't like computers and math, then consider this real world example. Mount Everest. It's 30,000 feet high, and you can see it from 100 miles away, even with a bunch of other mountains in the way:

bairs.smugmug.com...#!i=444051275&k=hDG9nDv

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by InhaleExhale

 

Now you are telling lies . smoke and mirrors. Learn to loose once in a while. It will make you a better winner and soldier.

BTW why are you substitute bating for the others? your new here and such an expert. hmmmmm

edit on 12-12-2012 by CherubBaby because: (no reason given)

Do you understand wining and losing are if you are playing a game, not searching for understanding of the world around you.

Please point out the lies I have told and I will gladly cut out my tongue.

Stop speculating and try to understand, I am not substitute baiting for anyone or myself, I am a new member here and have never given any details of my expertize, so why would you say that, because I understand the basic of the world around me or because you don't?

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by InhaleExhale

 

Now I am adding arrows to show on the left bottom a real trail just under the red straight line with red arrows pointing at it




also notice the trail at the upper left corner. that is a jet heading in an upward climb, regardless the two short large trails in question in no way resemble a fit on the grid. even if rotated the angle of decent is too great to taper to the horizon ahead as does the trail to the lower left.. CHECKMATE

The grid simply indicates the position of the horizontal plane at 32,000 feet. It does not mean any trail has to be parallel to one of two directions. Planes can fly in any direction, just like roads can go in any direction.

reply to post by Uncinus


So. Back to square one which was the problem for a few of you. Vertical contrails. That is what they are. I am well aware that a jet, or an ultra lite, even a skateboard can go in many directions. The point is they are much more vertical than horizontal. This was simply about ( left to right) horizontal or (top to bottom) vertical. that is all. It only went this far because if you read or reread the first two pages of the thread , the boys are telling me its not what I think but what THEY think. I disagreed and I was right.. ON THIS ONE


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Originally posted by Uncinus

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by InhaleExhale

 

Now I am adding arrows to show on the left bottom a real trail just under the red straight line with red arrows pointing at it




also notice the trail at the upper left corner. that is a jet heading in an upward climb, regardless the two short large trails in question in no way resemble a fit on the grid. even if rotated the angle of decent is too great to taper to the horizon ahead as does the trail to the lower left.. CHECKMATE

The grid simply indicates the position of the horizontal plane at 32,000 feet. It does not mean any trail has to be parallel to one of two directions. Planes can fly in any direction, just like roads can go in any direction.

Planes can but roads do have certain limits as to vertical angle anything more than 30 degrees(off the top of my head figure) and vehicles for every day use would start having trouble getting up the steepness of the road.

You could have a road which goes of a cliff and heads straight down 180deg but the car wouldn't be driving anymore but falling or if was a James bond car, wings could pop out from the undercarriage and the car could become a glider