Mexican mayor beaten to death

reply to post by severdsoul


You do know that cartels use people with dual citizenship to bring drugs into the US right?

Are you suggesting we deny entrance to brown people?

Send in the drones.

We've been watching these people with satellites for some time now...

I wonder how much longer until the M. Government asks for help and America sends in the Marines? These gangs are nasty no doubt; but something tells me they don't have anything to compete with AI controlled drones, satellites, and full MAGTFs.

Originally posted by XLR8R
reply to post by Spike Spiegle

 

As long as they're tied to the Alphabet Agencies in the US there will be little to no stopping them. Look at Operation Fast and Furious. Plus the war on drugs is way to profitable to stop.

edit on 26-11-2012 by XLR8R because: (no reason given)

Yep, because the only reason they do this is because of the U.S. involvement.

This is so irritating. I don't know what country you are from, but nasty, evil people have existed long before the U.S. became established, and will always exist on every continent. Please stop blaming the U.S. for everything, Mexico will do what Mexico will do, regardless of U.S. involvement.

Um, do you think that we'll just quietly leave after things get so bad we are FORCED to get involved?

We give these cartels support, so that things get so bad we have to go in, and then you think we just leave afterwards?

Lololol. I don't think it works that way.

reply to post by muse7


that would be their choice as to where they planed on living
for the 6 months, for those i would give advance notice
that they have to pick a location for the duration.

it would suck but unless the money is cut off there is no
real way to put a end to this...

move troops in and to many innocent would be killed,

there is no real easy way to stop it, while this would be
a drastic measure, it would stop the flow of money to
the cartel's, and prevent innocent lives being taken,
as well as stop the growth of the cartel members.

Originally posted by elevatedone
*** REMINDER ***

No Drug Discussion, legalization of or otherwise.

Thanks

that's not easy in the context of this story.

Just increase funds on the drug war, that solves everything

*obvious sarcasm obvious?*

Originally posted by PatrickGarrow17


We need a distinct priority shift, giving the issues in Mexico more play in foreign policy debates,

US foreign policy on Mexico is to keep the borders open, prevent the states from any recourse and to keep those coke prices shored up.
They will need an excuse to invade Mexico once the US military is put under UN control.

You heard it here first.

reply to post by badgerprints


you can't 'control' the US military. Look at all those militias that exist on the mainland... quite a few of them are trained by old military members too. Heck, a couple are even trained by self-proclaimed ex-special forces.

Originally posted by SymbolicLogic
reply to post by badgerprints

 

you can't 'control' the US military. Look at all those militias that exist on the mainland... quite a few of them are trained by old military members too. Heck, a couple are even trained by self-proclaimed ex-special forces.

Not even going to argue this.
Just going to refer back to it in a few years and say "I told you so."

Again I thank all those who have posted meaningful comments


Aye, we're not in charge or have any say about what the U.S does with her forces...

But

I think most can agree that her resources could be better spent, perhaps nearer to home?


stars for all

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reply to post by badgerprints

US foreign policy on Mexico is to keep the borders open, prevent the states from any recourse and to keep those coke prices shored up.

The Government already tried weaning people off cigarettes by raising taxes on tobacco products and that hasn't worked out so well. Those that can least afford recreational drugs end up financially ruined using them and victimize their low income neighbors. Doesn't seem to be any easy solution. If they do decide to legalize I hope its out on some island reservation somewhere catering to wealthy clientele that can afford it on their own.

reply to post by votan


Yes, Mexico is well and truly screwed. The issue we have now with our uncontrolled borders and unenforced immigration laws is that the cartel soldiers are now all over the USA. Until there's a roundup, simultaneous and on both sides of the border, nothing can nor will it change.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by AlexIR

 

That's right solve the problem by force, Worked in Iraq and Afghanistan didn't it.
How many more innocents will die if you invade another country?
If you did this you would just create more people who want the US destroyed.
Like I said you can solve the problem but I can't talk about it.

edit on 26-11-2012 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

You claimed to have solved the problem, but you ignored me when I showed that you really didn't.

The end of Prohibition sure stopped the Italian mafia in its tracks, didn't it?

The problem is the criminal gangs, not prohibition. Sure, they gained power because of prohibition, but after it was over they diversified.

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou
reply to post by SloAnPainful

 

Rather than taking away military grade firearms from cartels, an impossibility on the face of it, why not equip the Mexican people with military grade firearms en-masse?

This would tip the balance of force massively in favor of the non-criminal element.

The mexican government wouldn't allow it, they have very restrictive gun laws. They're in place so that people can't overthrow the government. If people wanted to be armed the cartels would never allow it either, they want an unarmed populace that can't move against them. I don't think you realize just how bad the corruption is in Mexico. The cartels effectively run the country. You either do what they want or you die.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by AlexIR

 

That's right solve the problem by force, Worked in Iraq and Afghanistan didn't it.
How many more innocents will die if you invade another country?
If you did this you would just create more people who want the US destroyed.
Like I said you can solve the problem but I can't talk about it.

edit on 26-11-2012 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

We both know the answer to solving the problem but changing our laws and defunding the cartels is very unlikely to happen for US political reasons. If we do the other solution and actually attack the cartels their response will be to start kidnapping people and using human shields which will bring with it enormous casualties. For that matter, the cartels can respond by saying 1000 innocent civilians die for every day the military doesn't back down. They have the funds, weapons, and manpower to carry out that threat.

Originally posted by Evanzsayz
She's the mayor that lives in gang territory...did it ever cross your mind to hire escorts? Especially after they already tried to kill you. Not trying to talk bad about her but that was stupid idea to go it alone and now you paid the price.

The cartels own the escorts. If you're an enemy of the cartels having escorts is the last thing you want to do because it means you're inviting a hostile armed person that wants you dead to stand right next to you and be in charge of your safety.

reply to post by Aazadan


Well, coming out of the left field, China could move in to stabilize the region? Or maybe Iran could. Or Russia.

More likely Mounties from Canada.

When a region is that unstable, practically anything could move into the vacuum; I only say this because I assume that popular support of the cartels is quite low and only based on terror. Then again, I'm just throwing crap out there to see what sticks.

How can you guys expect the average Mexican civilian to fight against the government sponsored drug cartels ?!

We're talking billions of tax-free underground revenues for both the US and Mexican governments (and whoever else's countries might be taking a piece of the pie too in return for aiding and abetting).

You really think these drug cartels are operating all on their own ? It may have started out that way decades ago. But with the advantage of newer technologies (computers, satellite, military defense, etc), these cartels needed to take political and law enforcement officials into their circle in order to keep their businesses operating without a hitch.

Come on folks... this is a conspiracy site.

I think most of us on here are more than familiar with the whole CIA-Afghanistan opium trade.

Do you really think the US military complex finances itself solely from the taxpayer dollar ? They would've been bankrupt and out of the game over 3 decades ago. Pfft.

The illusion of the Mexican and US governments talking about "fighting back" and "putting a stop to it" is nothing but smoke and mirrors. I think we all know that.

The only problem these governments are having is the fact that their offspring (the cartels) have gotten out of control and are trying to take over the sandbox. THAT is the true fight going on here between governments and the cartels.

There is no "war on drugs" other than them fighting to make sure that the revenues keep flowing straight into government(s) hands rather than someone else's.

reply to post by Spike Spiegle

Thoughts ATS

People like drugs, and by people it seems the majority of drugs that the cartels handle seem to come here to the states to reach there customers. So really this is as much Mexico problem as it is a good ol USofA problem, and people like there drugs, and cartels like there $$ that they make of the drugs, and the governments and the arms companies like the $$ there all making of all of this. And off course drugs are a multi billion a year industry, so um ya I do not think getting rid of the cartels will really do anything, as it will just leave a vacuum that will be filled by somebody or something else. Because frankly the cartels are more a symptom of the problems then the real get to the heart and matter of it all problem.

But this thread is not about that in a way, its about getting rid of the cartels methods of doing business by such extreme methods. And as such there are ways...Then there are "ways"