Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

a reply to: ppk55

I was thinking about this as I laid down to sleep just a couple nights ago, was really bummed and hurt to think that the moon could have been a hoax, I know people think this and always have especially the religious zealots.

Thing is, the Astronauts do not think it was a hoax, if it were then they were part of some deep deep programming to make them hold false memories of the true event.

The thought sickens me, I have always been a cheerleader of the truth in space programs and have always believed that we went and that we were told never to return.

originally posted by: choos

originally posted by: turbonium1


A true 1/6g environment - as shown with the Vomit Comet - would be much harder to fake, especially back then.

However, we had no idea what true 1/6g was, back in the day, right? How we'd move in 1/6g was completely unknown to us.

So NASA showed us how we move in 1/6g - not.

is this how you always do your research and form conclusions based on them????

a simple search of the vomit comet, which you would have done given you even knew about it, would have brought up this picture

en.wikipedia.org...

mercury astronauts from 1959 in the vomit comet.. still think back in the day they didnt know what true 1/6g should look like?

Yes - "they" knew what true 1/6g looked like, but "we" did not.

"They" - which is NASA - certainly knew it. When I said "we" did not, I meant the general public. "We" had no idea how astronauts move in a 1/6g environment. "We" knew astronauts would have to be floating in 0g, obviously it is a weightless environment.

But 1/6g was largely unknown, except for NASA-linked people..

Btw - Thanks for that great image!

Do you see how the Mercury astronauts are baciaclly FLOATING IN MID-AIR in true 1/6g?

This is exactly what I was talking about earlier. A true 1/6g atmosphere is almost like being in 0g. There is so little gravity, it is almost non-existent.

Show me ANY images of Apollo astronauts who are "floating" above the (supposed) lunar surface, like the Mercury astronauts in the Vomit Comet.

There are thousands of images to choose from. I have never seen ONE image that compares to it. None.


So, there's your challenge

originally posted by: turbonium1

Yes - "they" knew what true 1/6g looked like, but "we" did not.

"They" - which is NASA - certainly knew it. When I said "we" did not, I meant the general public. "We" had no idea how astronauts move in a 1/6g environment. "We" knew astronauts would have to be floating in 0g, obviously it is a weightless environment.

But 1/6g was largely unknown, except for NASA-linked people..

so NASA, decided to show us fake 1/6g even though the vomit comet is widely known about and open to the public??

Btw - Thanks for that great image!

Do you see how the Mercury astronauts are baciaclly FLOATING IN MID-AIR in true 1/6g?

they are not floating in true 1/6g.. that is floating in 0g

This is exactly what I was talking about earlier. A true 1/6g atmosphere is almost like being in 0g. There is so little gravity, it is almost non-existent.

Show me ANY images of Apollo astronauts who are "floating" above the (supposed) lunar surface, like the Mercury astronauts in the Vomit Comet.

There are thousands of images to choose from. I have never seen ONE image that compares to it. None.

So, there's your challenge

so let me see here..

you want me to show you apollo astronauts on the lunar surface at 1/6g in the same manner as the mercury astronauts in 0g?????

p.s. even if i did show you.. you would claim its fake and they used wires anyway

originally posted by: turbonium1

This is exactly what I was talking about earlier. A true 1/6g atmosphere is almost like being in 0g. There is so little gravity, it is almost non-existent.

So what you're suggesting here is that is it's pretty much impossible for anything, manned or otherwise, to orbit the moon, let alone land on it and stay there.

I'm baffled now as to how the rocks stay where they are.

In true 1/6g, like the Vomit Comet, we are almost "floating" about weightlessly. Almost. We do land down in 1/6g, but almost like a leaf falls gently to the ground.
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As I said, that's why Young's jump is so similar to the Mythbusters jump - because it was done the same way, on Earth, using wires, and slowed to 66.66% speed.


We don't even have to discuss jumps here. Every movement in true 1/6g - in the Vomit Comet - proves beyond any doubt that the Apollo astronauts were NOT on the moon.


So now, all we are left to answer is- Why didn't NASA, already knowing what true 1/6g looks like, just fake the Apollo lunar footage in true 1/6g, instead?

They couldn't fake the lunar footage in true 1/6g, first of all. The only true 1/6g they had was in the Vomit Comet. It is not close to big enough for a lunar set, and is only in 1/6g for limited periods (perhaps a minute, or so?)

So they HAD to fake a 1/6g, lunar environment, then.

Do you see where I'm going with this yet?

Knowing that they HAD to fake a 1/6g lunar environment, the big problem they had was - how can they create it..

Remember, this was in the 1960's. There were no CGI special effects back then. Kubrick's 2001 was cutting edge SFX technology.

NASA's big problem was how to create a realistic-looking 1/6g environment on a massive lunar stage set. They would have to make all the astronauts "float" around. Wires don't work so well, in this case. They weren't being buddies with Kubrick because they liked his movies. They needed his help on special effects to create 1/6g for Apollo 'movies'.

Except they had another option - a non-realistic 1/6g environment, using wires and slowed-down footage.
It is much easier to do, of course.

And - NOBODY WOULD KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!

So that's what they did.

And they got away with it for all these years.

But now, to see true 1/6g in the Vomit Comet, we know - beyond any doubt - that Apollo was NOT in true 1/6g

originally posted by: choos

so NASA, decided to show us fake 1/6g even though the vomit comet is widely known about and open to the public??

The Vomit Comet was not well-known, until recently.

But here's the important point - NASA said that the Vomit Comet creates a 0g environment, which is used to train astronauts. However, it also creates a 1/6g environment. Did NASA mention it, you think?

If they did, I'd like you to show me where.

What about showing me NASA's footage of true 1/6g inside the Vomit Comet? Does it even exist?

originally posted by: choos
so let me see here..

you want me to show you apollo astronauts on the lunar surface at 1/6g in the same manner as the mercury astronauts in 0g?????

No. You said, below the image....

"mercury astronauts from 1959 in the vomit comet.. still think back in the day they didnt know what true 1/6g should look like?"

You are not referring to 0g here. You are referring to true 1/6g

Again, I'll ask...

Show me ANY images of Apollo astronauts who are "floating" above the (supposed) true 1/6g lunar surface, like the Mercury astronauts in true 1/6g - inside the Vomit Comet.

a reply to: turbonium1

a reply to: turbonium1
You really don't understand, do you? The Vomit Comet can produce 0g AS WELL AS 1/6g. That photo was clearly on a zero G flight.

A typical three-hour training mission makes at least 30 parabolic flights. Each one can simulate zero-g for 25 seconds, one-sixth g (lunar-g) for 30 seconds or one-third g (martian-g) for 40 seconds.


Was this filmed on the Vomit Comet too? Indisputable proof using one of the simplest equations in school physics that the Apollo astronauts were in lunar gravity: MPG video here www.hq.nasa.gov...

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Do you really think that list of basic questions, the answers to which are all in the public domain and discoverable with a few moments of Googling, would convince anyone? If you truly wanted to know the answers to those questions then you could have found them in less time than it took you to write that post!

But it seems hoax believers either don't want to or can't do their own research. They just fire off what they think are "gotcha questions", then ignore the answers and fire off some more.

I mean, come on, do you really think the Saturn V blasted off with the lunar module TV camera hanging off the side? And the two-stage design of the LM is surely common knowledge for anyone who has ever looked at the Apollo project for more than five minutes?

One of them from the Royal Photography Society, that's Royal, very credible, not the average conspiracy department!!!

Don't be impressed by that. You or I could join the RPS today. All you need is £114 (or £102 for overseas members). No professional qualifications or experience required. You don't even need to have picked up a camera in your life: if you have the cash, you can join.

originally posted by: turbonium1
In true 1/6g, like the Vomit Comet, we are almost "floating" about weightlessly. Almost. We do land down in 1/6g, but almost like a leaf falls gently to the ground.
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As I said, that's why Young's jump is so similar to the Mythbusters jump - because it was done the same way, on Earth, using wires, and slowed to 66.66% speed.

Where are the wires? How come the wires don't get entangled when Young & Duke swap positions? Is the lunar dust on wires? Who is operating the wires? Where are they?

We don't even have to discuss jumps here. Every movement in true 1/6g - in the Vomit Comet - proves beyond any doubt that the Apollo astronauts were NOT on the moon.

Nope. You do have to discuss the jumps, and you haveto discuss them in the context of an hour plus of EVA of continuous live TV broadcast including getting in a vehicle and driving quite a distance, all of which without getting wires tangled up.

So now, all we are left to answer is- Why didn't NASA, already knowing what true 1/6g looks like, just fake the Apollo lunar footage in true 1/6g, instead?

They didn't fake it. No need to. They were on the moon.

They couldn't fake the lunar footage in true 1/6g, first of all.

Exactly.

The only true 1/6g they had was in the Vomit Comet. It is not close to big enough for a lunar set, and is only in 1/6g for limited periods (perhaps a minute, or so?)

You're doing well. Keep it going.

So they HAD to fake a 1/6g, lunar environment, then.

Aww you went and blew it.

Do you see where I'm going with this yet?

No, because I have a rational scientific mind.

Knowing that they HAD to fake a 1/6g lunar environment, the big problem they had was - how can they create it..

They didn't have to fake it, you already said the couldn't, so what they did was go to the moon.

Remember, this was in the 1960's. There were no CGI special effects back then. Kubrick's 2001 was cutting edge SFX technology.

You're back on track...

NASA's big problem was how to create a realistic-looking 1/6g environment on a massive lunar stage set. They would have to make all the astronauts "float" around. Wires don't work so well, in this case. They weren't being buddies with Kubrick because they liked his movies. They needed his help on special effects to create 1/6g for Apollo 'movies'.

No. Wrong. You've claimed they used wires earlier, now you're saying it doesn't work? Which is it? Kubrick's special effects were not as good as you think they are.

Except they had another option - a non-realistic 1/6g environment, using wires and slowed-down footage.
It is much easier to do, of course.

Now we're back to using wires again - make your mind up.

And - NOBODY WOULD KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!

So that's what they did.

And they got away with it for all these years.

But now, to see true 1/6g in the Vomit Comet, we know - beyond any doubt - that Apollo was NOT in true 1/6g

Your argument is totally inconsistent. First they use wires, then wires are difficult and it's Kubrick's special effects, but the special effects aren't good enough so they use wires. It's slow motion but it's not slow motion because it's filmed in a plane.

Your arguments do not hold water, you have never proven any of them, the lunar footage does not exist in isolation as nice 25 second segments, it is hours of continuous footage broadcast live on TV with astronauts, vehicles, equipment and lunar soil behaving exactly as it should do in a 1/6g zero atmosphere environment.

Get this into your head: the astronauts are not moving in slow motion.

originally posted by: Rob48
a reply to: turbonium1
You really don't understand, do you? The Vomit Comet can produce 0g AS WELL AS 1/6g. That photo was clearly on a zero G flight.

A typical three-hour training mission makes at least 30 parabolic flights. Each one can simulate zero-g for 25 seconds, one-sixth g (lunar-g) for 30 seconds or one-third g (martian-g) for 40 seconds.


Was this filmed on the Vomit Comet too? Indisputable proof using one of the simplest equations in school physics that the Apollo astronauts were in lunar gravity: MPG video here www.hq.nasa.gov...

It's hard to see anything in that clip, let alone a 'ribbon'. It looks like it might be a ribbon, anyway. So how do we know that ribbon is swinging back and forth with no external forces? We don't. There might be a fan on each side blowing air on it.

We can't even use your measurements, for that reason alone.

a reply to: turbonium1

Go on then: set up a pendulum that will swing with a period (sqrt6) times as long as it does on Earth using "fans". Then show us all a video of it. Good luck.

Once again: reality does the maths, hoaxers just say "might be fake" as if that is some kind of proof.

You're not coming out of this looking well.


PS I note you also totally fail to acknowledge your error regarding zero g versus one-sixth g on the Vomit Comet. I didn't expect any better.

originally posted by: onebigmonkey

Where are the wires? How come the wires don't get entangled when Young & Duke swap positions? Is the lunar dust on wires? Who is operating the wires? Where are they?


Nope. You do have to discuss the jumps, and you haveto discuss them in the context of an hour plus of EVA of continuous live TV broadcast including getting in a vehicle and driving quite a distance, all of which without getting wires tangled up.

No. Wrong. You've claimed they used wires earlier, now you're saying it doesn't work? Which is it? Kubrick's special effects were not as good as you think they are.


Now we're back to using wires again - make your mind up.

Your argument is totally inconsistent. First they use wires, then wires are difficult and it's Kubrick's special effects, but the special effects aren't good enough so they use wires. It's slow motion but it's not slow motion because it's filmed in a plane.

Your arguments do not hold water, you have never proven any of them, the lunar footage does not exist in isolation as nice 25 second segments, it is hours of continuous footage broadcast live on TV with astronauts, vehicles, equipment and lunar soil behaving exactly as it should do in a 1/6g zero atmosphere environment.

You are confused about my argument, so I'll go over it for you again..

Wires were used in the Apollo footage. It does not look at all like true 1/6g.

NASA knew it did not look like true 1/6g, of course. But nobody else knew it, so they had no problem selling it as 'real 1/6g lunar footage' to the world.

NASA didn't need to create a 'true 1/6g' environment, because we didn't know what true 1/6g looked like. As well, a true 1/6g would've been much harder to do, and far more expensive. All for nothing, too. So that's what they did.


If wires got tangled up, they just stop the filming, fix the wires. Take 2. Action...

a reply to: turbonium1

If wires got tangled up, they just stop the filming, fix the wires. Take 2. Action...

To take just one of the gaping holes in this theory... THE TV PICTURES WERE LIVE! The astronauts were reacting in real time to what Mission Control were saying, holding a real live two-way conversation. And we know that Mission Control's voices weren't prerecorded because the world's media were sat there in Houston listening and watching it all as it happened.

originally posted by: Rob48
a reply to: turbonium1

Go on then: set up a pendulum that will swing with a period (sqrt6) times as long as it does on Earth using "fans". Then show us all a video of it. Good luck.

Once again: reality does the maths, hoaxers just say "might be fake" as if that is some kind of proof.

You're not coming out of this looking well.


PS I note you also totally fail to acknowledge your error regarding zero g versus one-sixth g on the Vomit Comet. I didn't expect any better.

Are you saying the pendulum's motion shown in the clip cannot be repeated in any way on Earth?

You are claiming it is impossible?

A motor, or fans, or any other means, will never work?

Is that right?

Just so I'm clear about this, before going on..


I made no error about the Vomit Comet. I said it is able to create 0g and 1/6g. No idea why you think I erred on that.

originally posted by: Rob48
a reply to: turbonium1

If wires got tangled up, they just stop the filming, fix the wires. Take 2. Action...

To take just one of the gaping holes in this theory... THE TV PICTURES WERE LIVE! The astronauts were reacting in real time to what Mission Control were saying, holding a real live two-way conversation. And we know that Mission Control's voices weren't prerecorded because the world's media were sat there in Houston listening and watching it all as it happened.

They were NOT 'live'. They said it was 'live', and everyone believed them. No way, no how.

There is no proof it was 'live'. A two-way conversation is not exactly proof, btw.

NASA is controlling the footage, they say its all 'live' from the moon, and you believe them.

So what?


Why are you ignoring true 1/6g in the Vomit Comet, which proves that Apollo was not in true 1/6g?

Do you refuse to acknowledge the truth of Apollo?

a reply to: turbonium1

They were NOT 'live'. They said it was 'live', and everyone believed them. No way, no how.

How was it done, then? The journalists in Mission Control were watching the ground crew talking to the astronauts. Are you suggesting that everyone in the building was flawlessly miming along to pre-recorded footage for hours on end and nobody noticed? Not one error, not one fluffed cue?

You are starting from a false premise (that the footage was faked) so is it any wonder you keep running up against contradictions?

Are you saying the pendulum's motion shown in the clip cannot be repeated in any way on Earth?

You are claiming it is impossible?

A motor, or fans, or any other means, will never work?

Is that right?

In isolation, then yes I'm sure you could create some elaborate set-up to replicate a 1/6g pendulum. But that clip doesn't exist in isolation. It wasn't a deliberate experiment - it was a chance occurrence of the tape falling out and being set into motion, and is part of the continuous footage from that camera. View it as part of the uninterrupted footage - where are the fans being pulled into position? Where are the motors? You clearly have no clue what you are looking at.

Why are you ignoring true 1/6g in the Vomit Comet, which proves that Apollo was not in true 1/6g?

I'm not ignoring it. You are taking a photo of astronauts in zero g on the VC and claiming that is what 1/6g looks like. What does that prove other than that you are incapable of reading?

originally posted by: turbonium1

Why are you ignoring true 1/6g in the Vomit Comet, which proves that Apollo was not in true 1/6g?

The Vomit Comet is NOT 1/6TH g

Do you refuse to acknowledge the truth of Apollo?

originally posted by: FoosM

Why dont you tell me how they are not correct.
Since you think they are not.
And if you need me to use crayons for you to understand, then it confirms that this
is already too much for you to handle.

No YOU need to explain why you have drawn the arrows if YOU are daft enough to think the show the direction of a light source you need to explain each one!

originally posted by: wmd_2008

The Vomit Comet is NOT 1/6TH g

Not strictly true. The VC can and does simulate 1/6 g as well as zero g.

However you are perfectly correct that the Mercury training as shown in the photograph where they are "floating" depicts ZERO G TRAINING. The same training flights continued through the Gemini and Apollo programmes:



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