Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

reply to post by choos

if you think about it.. they would have had to film the fake moon landings prior to lift-off.. several months in advance if you count all the editing that would need to be done..

Howard Hughes and Richard Nixon possessed the industrial, scientific and governmental influence to accomplish all of these goals. Do you dispute that?

Don't forget Southern California and who comes from So. Cal? Nixon and Hughes.

Howard Hughes is also a master film-maker. When the Hollywood era switched from silents to talkies, Hughes made his impact with "Hell's Angels".


Do you care to dispute the obscene budgets for the Hughes Surveyor program? Maybe they built 30 Surveyor spacecraft to film the lunar surface at the Apollo landing sites... and maybe the NASA films were based off those Surveyor unmanned films... and maybe Stanley Kubrick helped NASA, George Mueller and Deke Slayton, how to understand and create believable space footage... and maybe Howard Hughes was directing the entire hoax from his reclusive offices in the penthouse level of the Desert Inn, from Thanksgiving 1966 until Thanksgiving 1970.




There are many aspects to be considered with the Hughes involvement with the Apollo Program. It is therefore necessary that all Apollo Investigators focus attention on the years, 1968-1972, and who was making the decisions and who was making distractions.

SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by choos

 

if you think about it.. they would have had to film the fake moon landings prior to lift-off.. several months in advance if you count all the editing that would need to be done..

Howard Hughes and Richard Nixon possessed the industrial, scientific and governmental influence to accomplish all of these goals. Do you dispute that?

woahhhh... howard hughes and richard nixon possessed a time machine??????????????????????????

and maybe Howard Hughes was directing the entire hoax from his reclusive offices in the penthouse level of the Desert Inn, from Thanksgiving 1966 until Thanksgiving 1970.

maybe this maybe that??? anyway..

so in 1966 howard hughes was predicting weather patterns in july 1969?? time machine..

SayonaraJupiter

I have newspaper articles which back me up. The moon rock audits were the cause of "extreme disagreements" within NASA.

Once again, your defense of Apollo has been dealt a crushing blow.

How will you dig yourself out of this crater, choos? I'm sure you'll come up with some lame excuse.

your newspapers dont say its fake though, not to mention your newspapers say nothing about being able to fake the moon landing, so its kind of irrelevant reply to my query..

we know we didnt really have the technology to fake the video footage.. cloud patterns, wide video pans, visor reflections, lunar gravity.. unless we had a time machine..

so how will you dig yourself out of that crater?? let me guess hand waving, nixon, CIA and nazi right?? thats right keep lying to yourself..

choos

SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by choos

 

if you think about it.. they would have had to film the fake moon landings prior to lift-off.. several months in advance if you count all the editing that would need to be done..

Howard Hughes and Richard Nixon possessed the industrial, scientific and governmental influence to accomplish all of these goals. Do you dispute that?

woahhhh... howard hughes and richard nixon possessed a time machine??????????????????????????

It's looking pretty bad for Apollo Defenders because they are not adequately familiar with the political policies of the Nixon/Hughes era. Apollo does not exist in a political or popular vacuum. Every Apollo mission coincides with a political scandal.... just do your research choos! You would come to the same conclusions eventually....

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


I don't for a second believe that landings were faked. My dad worked on the Apollo program. I actually got to sit in one of the "flying bedstead" test vehicle.

I mean really... they faked it.
Faked it again.
Faked it with a big accident (Apollo 13)
Faked it again.
and again...

Get the picture? Even at 13 most people weren't watching it on TV. By 14 it was business as usual...

We had nothing to gain by faking it so many times. I love a good conspiracy, and there are lots of valid ones. This isn't one of them.

Saying we faked it insults the memory of the guys who DIED getting us there. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

SayonaraJupiter
It's looking pretty bad for Apollo Defenders because they are not adequately familiar with the political policies of the Nixon/Hughes era. Apollo does not exist in a political or popular vacuum. Every Apollo mission coincides with a political scandal.... just do your research choos! You would come to the same conclusions eventually....

i am doing my research and it seems to me that video footage from apollo 11 flight shows cloud patterns as they were on the the actual day it was supposedly taken..

there is thusly only two possibilities..

first, they went to the moon,

second, they had a time machine.

apparently according to mr. sayonarajupiter nixon and hughes had a time machine.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


Saying maybe doesnt cut it prove they built 30 surveyors oh wait that involves facts not speculation and so far youve produced 0 facts and a whole lot of maybes.So lets discuss Surveyor first technologically the 7 surveyors were crap out of the 7 one was lost one,one crashed and one was damaged. But luckily it had a limited scope just check if you can land on the moons surface. See at the time they were worried that the lunar surface couldnt support the weight of a lander. Surveyor proved they could problem was Howard Hughes bilked NASA on the deal and they knew it. Thats one of the reasons Boeing ended up with the contracts for Apollo.Howard Hughes and his company proved incapable of building for aerospace. This was a very soar point with Howard as a matter of fact because he thought he had a lock on the new aerospace industry. Not to mention apollo 12 actually brought back parts of surveyor 3 so let me guess the built a robot to disassemble it and return it to earth right?

Oh another crushing defeat of your theory give up yet?

SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by onebigmonkey

 

You keep ducking out of this question: How did Apollo astronauts photograph and video scenes that contain details that are only seen in Apollo images and LRO photographs?

Sorry you are confused about what my motives are. My role is very simple: to expose every flaw in the NASA/Apollo official narrative. Destruction, pure and simple.

Your problem is that there aren't any. The 'official narrative' is entirely consistent from start to finish, with the documented evidence matching exactly what was claimed no matter which way you look at it.

When I have chipped away at the columns for long enough they can be close to crumbling. If I chip away at enough columns, the whole house of cards will come tumbling down all by itself. There isn't any need for me to explain to you how to fake a photograph, or to fake the provenance of a photograph, or to fake the provenance of a moon rock.

Oh but you do. If you're going to expose flaws you need to say why they are flaws, and what's wrong with them. All this line of argument does is run away from anything technically complicated and gets you out of having to discuss anything difficult. You have been chipping away at this for years now and have proved precisely nothing.

I don't need to prove to you, or anyone else, how Apollo images were faked, just that the evidence you submit is not credible. As always, the public decides. Are you clear on my motives? I am not a "Hoax Believer".

The only motive I can see is a rabid obsession with Nixon. If you're going to tell me that the evidence I submit is not credible, you need to tell me why. You need to tell me what's wrong with it and why it is false. Just saying "It is false" without backing that up is entirely inadequate. You do not have some sort of moral high ground that excuses you from supporting your side of the discussion. Back up your argument with facts or admit you have none.

In my view, you are the "Hoax Believer" because you believe in Nixon's Apollo, 1968-1972, which was a TV hoax.

Your view is wrong. Apollo was not a hoax. It was never "Nixon's Apollo". Nixon was a passenger who got to have his picture in the paper with real heroes. He cut the budget to NASA wile claiming credit for a success in which he had no part. His inability to edit a tape and his attitude to conflict on SE Asia are utterly irrelevant and do not prove that the scientific and engineering achievements of Apollo (and all the programmes that accompanied it) were fake.

Your arguments are specious and irrelevant. If you want to discredit Nixon further you should discuss it in another forum: he has nothing to do with Apollo.

SayonaraJupiter

choos

SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by choos

 

if you think about it.. they would have had to film the fake moon landings prior to lift-off.. several months in advance if you count all the editing that would need to be done..

Howard Hughes and Richard Nixon possessed the industrial, scientific and governmental influence to accomplish all of these goals. Do you dispute that?

woahhhh... howard hughes and richard nixon possessed a time machine??????????????????????????

It's looking pretty bad for Apollo Defenders because they are not adequately familiar with the political policies of the Nixon/Hughes era. Apollo does not exist in a political or popular vacuum. Every Apollo mission coincides with a political scandal.... just do your research choos! You would come to the same conclusions eventually....

You know nothing about Howard Hughes By 1966 he was racked with pain guessing you didnt know this? Addicted to valium and codeine. turned over management of his companies to aids.Had to have full time medical attention couldn't eat or sleep was illegally obtaining multiple pain killers by faking prescriptions. Was so screwed up he moved to vegas bought a hotel just to stay there.Bought a local television station just so he couldcall in and request movies so he could watch them. Then only did business by phone would not leave his room associates called him incoherent at best. Then it 1970 he disappears for 2 weeks FBI started a massive manhunt thinking he was abducted. He finally shows up living with Mormons in the Bahamas. They took total control of him they took over his company.Basically they refused to get his drugs if he didnt and then things got worse for him by 1972 he had broken his hip could no longer walk and if you saw him you would see a broken man.He was racked with pain right until he died, Even in his autopsy showed he was neglected had broken needles left in his arms.

So this is the man you think organized Apollo when he couldnt even manage his own life????? Oh another crushing defeat for Apollo deniers. So now who doesnt understand the geopolitical environment in the 60s??? see you make alot of accusations but you dont bother to look at the people your accusing which means as an investigator you FAIL.

choos
we know we didnt really have the technology to fake the video footage.. visor reflections...

You got that one right Choos. We certainly didn't have the technology to fake visor reflections, otherwise they wouldn't need to fake a photo with a guy pretending to be an astronaut. Hint, the life supporting backpack is missing in this photo.

history.nasa.gov...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/9ed16e1ea379.jpg[/atsimg]

ppk55
...Hint, the life supporting backpack is missing in this photo.

history.nasa.gov...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/9ed16e1ea379.jpg[/atsimg]

The PLSS (the backpack) is not missing from the photo. I can see the upper corner of the backpack and the antenna. The antenna may be so visible because it is catching the light.

The image of the astronaut (Jack Schmitt) is elongated and skinny due to the convex visor, slightly distorting the view of the PLSS backpack on the astronaut.

Annotated:


Not Annotated:

Soylent Green Is People
The PLSS (the backpack) is not missing

Yes it is.

ppk55

Soylent Green Is People
The PLSS (the backpack) is not missing

Yes it is.

Not it isn't.

Different pictures taken from different angles will yield different results. Depending on the angle, the PLSS will be more visible in some images and less visible in others.

I pointed out the PLSS in the original image you provided, and also pointed out the the convex nature of visors could make the reflection elongated and distorted (thus distorting the PLSS).

ppk55

Soylent Green Is People
The PLSS (the backpack) is not missing

Yes it is.

are you a troll? the PLSS is there but skewed due to the curvature of the visor..

heres a hint look at the shadow..

if not heres something that someone else made from another forum..



and superimposed over the original


but thanks for admitting that they cant fake the visor reflections and proving the moon landings real.

reply to post by choos


Excellent example and re-creation, choos.

Here's another examination of the photograph:

www.youtube.com...=157

and here's a link to a 44Mb TIFF version of the photo archive.org...

onebigmonkey
reply to post by Wolfenz

 

What you are looking at there are the 16mm DAC camera films, all of which are freely available on line, either on youtube, the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal, or places like archive.org. The cameras did not record sound and had a number of speed settings.

If you want really high quality Apollo 11 footage, search for 'Apollo 11 Facts Project', which has a lot of unedited high definition footage you don't normally see.

The 'vapour' you're seeing is just impact debris - it is younger than the larger crater in which it sits therefore it is brighter.

not what ive seen and yeah I know about them ..

reply to post by onebigmonkey

Nixon was a passenger who got to have his picture in the paper with real heroes.

There you go underestimating RN. That's all you've got left.... faded memories of real heroes.

Nixon's rise to power was a planned-presidency, from 1946, by the Pentagon, military industrial complex, orchestrated by the Godfather of Las Vegas, Howard Hughes, he brought you lasers and satellites, he brought you Surveyor and John Wayne's two greatest movies, "Jet Pilot" and "The Conqueror".

I think your main problem is that you like to keep "Apollo" like a sacred relic, to worship it like a god; while the real truth is Apollo is a bastard child of Hollywood and the military industrial complex, both of which were dominated by south California political fascist ideals and south California fascist industrialism, the Apollo program being the total confirmation of a familiar style of state-centralized economy, otherwise known, as National Socialism.

You have a lot to learn.

reply to post by dragonridr

You know nothing

Right back at you.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


And there you go failing to comprehend, again, that politics does not invalidate science.

Evidence that Apollo didn't happen. Any time you like.