Why don't you believe? (@Non-Believers and Skeptics)

Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
but still there are those small minded enough that naively believes their own kind the only possible kind of any intelligence in such a vast universe.

It bears repeating yet again that this is not the position of most of the skeptics posting on this thread.

Not only am I skeptical about ET visitation to earth I am skeptical that there are so many people that seem so deluded and do not seem to understand the meaning of evidence. How can there be this many people wandering around free in life that are so obviously (not right in the head). This really concerns me. Is the mental health system really this bad are these people posting from a mental hospital or, now this one I really consider may be the most relevant. Are there just that many people out there just trolling and trying to pull one over on people? It is just so hard for me to except that people can be that out of touch with reality and still be able to function in society.

I am not talking about the people that simply think that it is possible that ET life exists somewhere in the universe hell I think it’s possible simply by the math just not visiting earth. I am talking about the hard core full on tell you stories of how they are aware and everyone else is blind whack jobs or that they even talk to them. I thought these people were supposed to be cared for by the state. What I find scary is that these people can buy guns in the US. I don’t want to be anywhere near them when they start thinking an invasion or something to that effect is coming or happening.

I am a southerner that loves my right to bear arms but these threads have opened my eyes that there are some people that have no business near the things. I don’t even want them driving cars until they get a clean bill of health from a psychologist.

IMO the one who posted this thread needs some professional help but I haven’t ruled out the possibility that this thread was just one big joke for her.



Concerned Grim

reply to post by DangerMcBacon


Are you sure that post was intended as a response to mine?

You are dumb, really dumb. So far no one here has ever denied the fact that alien life might exist somewhere in far away galaxy in some form or another. No one here is as self centered as you and people like you who call us constantly sheep because we deny ignorance and accept nothing less than common sense, which apparently people like you lack thereof. Putting people down, feel special, calling other ignorant because you are unable to use common sense isn't going to boot your fragile ego. The only thing New Age and a like are good at is staring because anything else requires intelligence and common sense.

Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
Seriously, the levels of humanity-centric ignorance being displayed by some posters on this thread is beyond absurd. The continual denial in the face of facts, the universe is so much vaster than the human eye can see or it's mind comprehend but still there are those small minded enough that naively believes their own kind the only possible kind of any intelligence in such a vast universe.

Humanity needs a reality check.

A reminder.
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Originally posted by Unity_99
You and I both know its not crazy to believe in what is really happening. What is, IS.

That's true, but how can we really know what it is and what is not? If all our senses can be fooled in some way, how can we know for sure that we can ever really know the truth about anything?

That's why I always accept other possibilities, I don't have a way of knowing if what I think is the best explanation for something is the real one or even just closer to the truth.

Well both of you sides are wrong, the skeptics and the believers. The believers are certain while the evidence in public does not make it certain, though there could be something within the even more classified documents,

The skeptics are certain if non existence basing their claims on not having the evidence in straight sight while the evidence is kept away from public, if anyone has ever dealt with classified documents, cause I have and I know the meaning of classified even if the one I dealt was far from military or ET secrets...

Originally posted by Imtor
The skeptics are certain if non existence basing their claims on not having the evidence in straight sight .......

that is almost universally NOT what skeptics say.

see my post above - www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Imtor


All we have to do then is wait and see who's right .

I sincerely doubt that our OP started this thread as a joke. However I don't doubt she has mental issues or is at the very least delusional. You are correct, people like OP are not capable of functioning in a normal society. Most of them are either unemployed or they hop from one dead end job to another. And like OP they move often from one one rental apparent to another. Their relationships do not last and their partners are usually as crazy and as unstable as they are. Nothing makes sense in their confused deranged life other than the only thing they believe in - aliens are here and one of these days they will pick me up and take me with them to a better place away from evil humanity.

reply to post by Grimpachi

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Imtor

 

All we have to do then is wait and see who's right .

Agreed, although based on previous cases I am sure the demons and angels you believe in have nothing divine and are quite ordinary except maybe having some higher powers and technology which makes them aliens by definition and there is no such thing as demons and angels. IF of course these beings exist at all and all isn't just a bunch of stories and shizophrenia.

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Imtor
The skeptics are certain if non existence basing their claims on not having the evidence in straight sight .......

that is almost universally NOT what skeptics say.

see my post above.

If you have no problem believing they may exist but the evidence is not enough, then good for you and we are on the same page.

However, a lot of the so called skeptics are certain of 'Made contact with Extra Terrestrial Biological Entities' being non-existent while not having full access to everything that exists around the topic - documents, files. Secrecy around it still exists, all I am trying to tell is - you should not be certain about it.

reply to post by DelMarvel


I never said ''most''.

There are those that are demanding ''proof'' and saying they don't believe because they think of it as being ''crazy''.

i'm going to give this one last try:

be·lief   [bih-leef]
noun
1.
something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat.
2.
confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.
3.
confidence; faith; trust: a child's belief in his parents.
4.
a religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith: the Christian belief.

dictionary.reference.com...

fact noun \ˈfakt\

Definition of FACT

1
: a thing done: as
a obsolete : feat
b : crime
c archaic : action
2
archaic : performance, doing
3
: the quality of being actual : actuality
4
a : something that has actual existence
b : an actual occurrence
5
: a piece of information presented as having objective reality
— in fact
: in truth

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Originally posted by paladinah
People don't believe because they've been brainwashed into thinking they don't want to believe. Look around you - the average man in a more economically developed country is ignorant: they take just about everything in life for granted. This should not be - everyone must have the innovation and intuition for greater understanding of the universe, and yet people seem to be restricted to only what goes on in our failure of a planet. It really is depressing thinking about the amount of people who mock the idea of UFOs and inter-dimensional beings

edit on 26-11-2012 by paladinah because: changed 'an' to 'a'

While I can't speak for everyone, this is not strictly true. No one has convinced me that I don't want to believe. On the contrary, I am not persuaded by the available evidence to believe in spite of the overwhelming desire - even need - to believe. I am actually, on some level, depriving myself of contentment in life by not simply believing.

I used to believe in many things when I was younger. Like many here, I read a veritable library worth of literature on UFOs and the alien abduction phenomenon. I even ended up doing some hands-on research into a family member's experiences. I, too, used to hold the view that skeptics were simply closed minded; that they could not or would not allow themselves to see the larger, less finite reality that I was open to. But this is not necessarily the case.

As I learned more and more over the years, I began to see contradictions, inconsistencies, the possibility of fraud and charlatans, and at times even outright lies on the part of so-called experiencers. I began to see people deluding themselves into believing events would come to pass in connection with their experiences that never did. I began to see a lack of rigor in investigations into such phenomena, and started asking myself hard, uncomfortable, but necessary questions. And I began to search in earnest for real, hard proof of these experiences. I was extremely disillusioned to find that in all but a few exceptional cases, there was none. And even more so, that there were alternative explanations which could entirely account for a great many of the experiences reported.

That was many years ago. Since that time, I have become far more skeptical. But my deep, profound, longing for something like this to truly exist and be experienced, has not diminished. My skepticism exists in spite of that longing. A large part of me will never be fulfilled or happy until something like this is experienced and known to be true, as I suspect is the case for many here. But that is all the more reason for my skepticism. It prevents me from falling into the trap of confirmation bias, assumption, and providing myself with what I so desperately crave but have yet to discover.

In my experience, there are a small number of cases - mostly UFO sightings corroborated by radar and credible witnesses, but some abduction scenarios as well - which cannot be explained or accounted for, except in the most theoretical of ways. I am open minded. I believe it is possible that people have had the encounters they believe they have, or claim to have. And I have even had my own experiences for which I lack explanation. And no, proof does not mean I have to shake hands with an alien, and I do not accuse experiencers of being liars or frauds unless I have proof of that. And, lastly, I do have my own personal spiritual beliefs, if you wish to call them that. I simply delineate between belief and knowledge, i.e. my beliefs could be wrong.

But until I do see what amounts to proof by my standards, I cannot accept on faith, inconclusive photography, and testimony alone that these entities and their technology are visiting our planet (or our dimension, if you're an adherent of the interdimensional hypothesis.) Again, not because I'm brainwashed and don't want to believe. But rather, because I do want to. If you only knew how badly I do, you would not say that skeptics don't want to believe...

Peace.

Excellent post!

Originally posted by AceWombat04

Originally posted by paladinah
People don't believe because they've been brainwashed into thinking they don't want to believe. Look around you - the average man in a more economically developed country is ignorant: they take just about everything in life for granted. This should not be - everyone must have the innovation and intuition for greater understanding of the universe, and yet people seem to be restricted to only what goes on in our failure of a planet. It really is depressing thinking about the amount of people who mock the idea of UFOs and inter-dimensional beings

edit on 26-11-2012 by paladinah because: changed 'an' to 'a'

While I can't speak for everyone, this is not strictly true. No one has convinced me that I don't want to believe. On the contrary, I am not persuaded by the available evidence to believe in spite of the overwhelming desire - even need - to believe. I am actually, on some level, depriving myself of contentment in life by not simply believing.

I used to believe in many things when I was younger. Like many here, I read a veritable library worth of literature on UFOs and the alien abduction phenomenon. I even ended up doing some hands-on research into a family member's experiences. I, too, used to hold the view that skeptics were simply closed minded; that they could not or would not allow themselves to see the larger, less finite reality that I was open to. But this is not necessarily the case.

As I learned more and more over the years, I began to see contradictions, inconsistencies, the possibility of fraud and charlatans, and at times even outright lies on the part of so-called experiencers. I began to see people deluding themselves into believing events would come to pass in connection with their experiences that never did. I began to see a lack of rigor in investigations into such phenomena, and started asking myself hard, uncomfortable, but necessary questions. And I began to search in earnest for real, hard proof of these experiences. I was extremely disillusioned to find that in all but a few exceptional cases, there was none. And even more so, that there were alternative explanations which could entirely account for a great many of the experiences reported.

That was many years ago. Since that time, I have become far more skeptical. But my deep, profound, longing for something like this to truly exist and be experienced, has not diminished. My skepticism exists in spite of that longing. A large part of me will never be fulfilled or happy until something like this is experienced and known to be true, as I suspect is the case for many here. But that is all the more reason for my skepticism. It prevents me from falling into the trap of confirmation bias, assumption, and providing myself with what I so desperately crave but have yet to discover.

In my experience, there are a small number of cases - mostly UFO sightings corroborated by radar and credible witnesses, but some abduction scenarios as well - which cannot be explained or accounted for, except in the most theoretical of ways. I am open minded. I believe it is possible that people have had the encounters they believe they have, or claim to have. And I have even had my own experiences for which I lack explanation. And no, proof does not mean I have to shake hands with an alien, and I do not accuse experiencers of being liars or frauds unless I have proof of that. And, lastly, I do have my own personal spiritual beliefs, if you wish to call them that. I simply delineate between belief and knowledge, i.e. my beliefs could be wrong.

But until I do see what amounts to proof by my standards, I cannot accept on faith, inconclusive photography, and testimony alone that these entities and their technology are visiting our planet (or our dimension, if you're an adherent of the interdimensional hypothesis.) Again, not because I'm brainwashed and don't want to believe. But rather, because I do want to. If you only knew how badly I do, you would not say that skeptics don't want to believe...

Peace.

edit on 11/26/2012 by AceWombat04 because: Typos

Originally posted by Imtor

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Imtor
The skeptics are certain if non existence basing their claims on not having the evidence in straight sight .......

that is almost universally NOT what skeptics say.

see my post above.

If you have no problem believing they may exist but the evidence is not enough, then good for you and we are on the same page.

However, a lot of the so called skeptics are certain of 'Made contact with Extra Terrestrial Biological Entities' being non-existent while not having full access to everything that exists around the topic - documents, files. Secrecy around it still exists, all I am trying to tell is - you should not be certain about it.

I hadn't included a link to my post in that previous reply - read here - www.abovetopsecret.com...

what you say is stil NOT what most skeptics believe - what "we" believe is that inadequate evidence is inadequate evidence.

And claiming there is secret evidence elsewhere that "proves" the case but no-one can actually see it does not make the claim based on poor evidence any better.

The amount of charlatans, con artists, liars in Ufological and paranormal filed in general is staggering! Everyday I expose more and more of these scumbags. Just take a look at Project Camelot run by Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan. Every single guest they have EVER and I mean EVER had turned out to be either a lair and or a con artist. And how many video interviews they have had so far? Hundreds! Now what does it tell to anyone with common sense about Ufological filed? These were not random people, these were people who were regarded by others who an epitome of Ufology, as heroes. Take a look at Steven Greer for example. Charging thousands of dollars to see orbs of light in the sky. This guy is probably one of the biggest scam artists in recent days of Ufology and will definitely go as one. And then you wonder why educated people refuse to take Ufology seriously? Why would they?

Originally posted by mcx1942
I am one of the skeptical believers... ...Until I see crafts with my own two eyes, I must remain cautiously skeptical.

i've been right with you on that my whole life, it changed when i actually saw a craft in summer 2011. it's strange how much of a paradigm shift there is between skeptic belief and cautious belief. It's kind of even more difficult, because suddenly you realize our reality was in fact shattered for you personally, but then you also know that 95% of strange theories out there are still just silly or improbable or disinformation.

I'm constantly thinking about what parts of "Earth-Human-Reality" is real, what parts of "ET-Human-Reality" are real, and what parts of "Everything-Else-Not-Directly-Pertaining-To-The-Connection-Between-Us-And-Them-Reality" are real. But to be honest my priorities lie with figuring out the first two and the relationship between them. I don't care about the answers to everything, personally, until I know if we have a chance of existing, in our current form or in another, beyond/outside of this planet.

reply to post by Imtor

Agreed, although based on previous cases I am sure the demons and angels you believe in have nothing divine and are quite ordinary except maybe having some higher powers and technology which makes them aliens by definition and there is no such thing as demons and angels. IF of course these beings exist at all and all isn't just a bunch of stories and shizophrenia.

Sounds like you need to make up your mind.

Originally posted by stanislav
The world isn't as crazy without you. It's people like yourself and a few others who make this world a bit crazier than it is already. Like with every believer in aliens and other paranormal events, you lack common sense, your English is poor and you are unable to accept critical thinking for an advice. As long as you stay ignorant, self righteous fools ,you will continue to see the world as a crazy asylum. You will continue to meet resistance because no normal person will ever tolerate you. You need to see yourselves from the outside for once. But unfortunately you probably wont be able to until your delusions wear off. I was one of those crazy people years ago but I was finally able to come off my delusions after I realized that my delusions interfered with my normal life. That believing in aliens and such haven't accomplished anything in my life, in fact is destroyed my life to the point where I had to rebuild it from almost a scratch.

Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by theabsolutetruth

 

You and I both know its not crazy to believe in what is really happening. What is, IS.

I can't leave this post, for the insanity is being conditioned to believe what isn't, IS. And to question everyone, despite large numbers and some very credentialed at that, who challenges what ISN'T, yet most believe.

The whole world is absolutely crazy, up is down, black is white, all due to the controllers here, they even turned light, the source of all life and goodness in the solar system, into lucifer.

edit on 26-11-2012 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

Then viva la crazy my dear! Again, skepticism is not name calling.

And one of your posts above has this hit of reactionary energy. To me its very apparent you aren't a skeptic, you seem to have a real vested emotional interest in the subject, makes me wonder why.

Maybe you need to do some soul searching, and ask if you have something you need to remember.

Quite a few people have said that everyone, the whole planet, has had missing time........

Originally posted by paladinah
People don't believe because they've been brainwashed into thinking they don't want to believe. Look around you - the average man in a more economically developed country is ignorant: they take just about everything in life for granted. This should not be - everyone must have the innovation and intuition for greater understanding of the universe, and yet people seem to be restricted to only what goes on in our failure of a planet. It really is depressing thinking about the amount of people who mock the idea of UFOs and inter-dimensional beings

edit on 26-11-2012 by paladinah because: changed 'an' to 'a'

Therefor by your defination


If people (skeptics) don't beleive because they have been brainwashed into thinking they

don't want to beleive


Then logically the other side of that particular coin MUST BE


That people that believe (believers) only do so because they too have been brainwashed

into believing.


At least that way they both start from a level playing field.