Syria - Update and Information thread

Here's an interesting article to read.

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They're 'facts' only because the usual liars told you they are facts, which makes it suspect to me.

You are just repeating what has been sold as 'fact', which actually are allegations.

I'm not saying it IS a lie, but I am saying that there are other accounts that this is NOT how it started, NOT what happened.

This is what I'm trying to get to the bottom of, and get us some actual facts.

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Prove they are liars. Are you sitting here telling me everyone and everything is lying about Syria?

I have written an in depth report on Syria. I have spoken to people there. So let me guess...that link is all lies too and the person(s) I interviewed, citizens, journalists, are all liars? Prove it.

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The civil war or uprising within Syria is being conducted by NATO and friends,why is that so hard to accept? They even admit it! iv'e got a whole crap load of articles/links that support this..

Originally posted by all2human
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The civil war or uprising within Syria is being conducted by NATO and friends,why is that so hard to accept? They even admit it! iv'e got a whole crap load of articles/links that support this..

edit on 24-11-2012 by all2human because: (no reason given)

Financially yes, with troops? No. Weapons? Yes. Using Naval ships? No. Does any of that sound familiar? One word: Afghanistan

This happens in every country with every nation. All that money is spent on it in one form or another, knowingly or not. That is how any war is fought.

Well, here is another take on that reporter and that video, posted in the Israel/Gaza thread:

Originally posted by intrptr

Originally posted by CatrionaBeldame
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I think a thread on Syria would be great if we could get one started. I wouldn't know where to start. I haven't really been following it much. Hopefully someone will make one.

I do too. Live webcams from Syria might be a little more difficult. Syria is not Gaza. The last time a live webcam came up from inside the war zone in Syria, it was in June of this year in Homms. The rebels were the ones producing it and they were targeted by Syrian artillery whenever they went live.

At the time in Homms the city was mostly empty as all the residents, fearful of the fighting (and the rebels brutality) fled the city as refugees. In order to make it appear that "Assad was shelling his own people", the "FSA" set up a camera and began broadcasting live on the internet, knowing full well that the Syrians would open fire on it in an effort to shut it down.

Here is video of that. You can see the artillery get closer and closer to the cameras position. The whole time the guy is saying something like, " I will remain on the air, and Assad is killing his people", stuff like that. I was on the site at the time and translators helped figure out what was going on there. I don't know what happened to the site, I lost interest when I discovered it was another ruse by the "rebels".

I do believe Syria is next. The weird thing about Israel allowing the webcams in Gaza is that they looked like bullies pounding little Gaza with excessive force they way they did. The whole world was watching and recoiled from it. Israel's rating has plummeted (again) in the worlds eye, so why did they do it?

Assad knows that it looks bad to destroy his own country while trying to defeat the rebels, so won't allow live cameras in my opinion.

I am trying to get to the truth.

The fact is, they've been caught in lies, they've been caught manufacturing video, some examples of which I will post in a few minutes.

It is not a simple situation, and I think at least some of them are (or were) earnestly 'fighting for their freedom' ; but they have been hijacked by the interests who are funding them, and they are neither earnest nor altruistic, nor do they represent a good out-come for the Syrian people in general. And that point really has to be taken into consideration when looking at the situation.

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So you again, are saying, that the report about Homs, the journalist who was targeted intentionally on a live feed where the entire world could see, is faked? So the people who owned the website and notified everyone of what it was filming, and Al Jazzera and Sky News, all who aired a live feed from there are all liars and worked together in a conspiracy?

Originally posted by all2human
reply to post by DragonFire1024

 

The civil war or uprising within Syria is being conducted by NATO and friends,why is that so hard to accept? They even admit it! iv'e got a whole crap load of articles/links that support this..

edit on 24-11-2012 by all2human because: (no reason given)

Please, post them, if/when you have time.

I really am trying to get to the truth, not in persisting in false beliefs.

Thank you.

Originally posted by DragonFire1024
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So you again, are saying, that the report about Homs, the journalist who was targeted intentionally on a live feed where the entire world could see, is faked? So the people who owned the website and notified everyone of what it was filming, and Al Jazzera and Sky News, all who aired a live feed from there are all liars and worked together in a conspiracy?

Yes, that is a definite and likely possibility. As is the possibility that they were suckered into it like you were.

By the way, this same conspiracy has played out many times, and is continuing as we speak. Are you really that naive or deluded, that you don't realize the media constantly lies to us, and not just about Syria?!?

Here are some faked reports from Al Jazeera and CNN and the FSA. There are dozens of other videos on the same page of youtube where this one is.

Originally posted by curiouscanadian777

Originally posted by DragonFire1024
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So you again, are saying, that the report about Homs, the journalist who was targeted intentionally on a live feed where the entire world could see, is faked? So the people who owned the website and notified everyone of what it was filming, and Al Jazzera and Sky News, all who aired a live feed from there are all liars and worked together in a conspiracy?

Yes, that is a definite and likely possibility. As is the possibility that they were suckered into it like you were.

By the way, this same conspiracy has played out many times, and is continuing as we speak. Are you really that naive or deluded, that you don't realize the media constantly lies to us, and not just about Syria?!?

Here are some faked reports from Al Jazeera and CNN and the FSA. There are dozens of other videos on the same page of youtube where this one is.

edit on 24-11-2012 by curiouscanadian777 because: add comment

I didn't talk to the FSA. I didn't talk to Al Jazeera or CNN. I talked to a journalist. I talked to a citizen who risked the life of his friends and family to bring the live feed and his on the ground reports. I talked to someone who saw and listened to international journalists being killed by a rocket attack.I am not talking about anything from Al Jazz or CNN.

By the way, how am I supposed to take the word of that video seriously when the person who uploaded it can't even tell what country Syria is?

Dragon, will all due respect, you talked to someone who purported to be such a person.

With all the other lies and faked videos out there, can you admit the possibility that you were duped?

I admit, and have done so repeatedly, the possibility that I am currently leaning to the wrong side on this. Again, I am interested in getting to the truth, whatever it is.

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Heres a thread for a live webcam that was presented on ATS. I linked to partway through where posters were finding out it was produced by FSA and the Syrian Government was targeting the camera. Read the whole thread for the story behind what you are seeing.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Edit: And the feed it was from...

bambuser.com...

Here is another link with many, at least 5 pages, of out right faked videos and videos showing the barbaric actions of the FSA which you want to foist as a government on Syria :

www.liveleak.com...

and another:

"NATO-backed “pro-democracy” activists commit brutal atrocities" Paul Joseph Watson Global Research, July 05, 2012 www.globalresearch.ca...



They are not who they say they are, or they are not who they seemed to be in the beginning, which is to say earnest revolutionaries fighting for freedom.

Originally posted by curiouscanadian777
Dragon, will all due respect, you talked to someone who purported to be such a person.

With all the other lies and faked videos out there, can you admit the possibility that you were duped?

I admit, and have done so repeatedly, the possibility that I am currently leaning to the wrong side on this. Again, I am interested in getting to the truth, whatever it is.

I was not duped. I know who I was talking to. You don't know my sources, or how even came to talk to any of those people. You are making accusations to which you have no proof, let alone any evidence. Have you even read my report? I mean seriously though. If you want to make such claims and call me a liar, then back it up with something.

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Thanks

Originally posted by intrptr
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Heres a thread for a live webcam that was presented on ATS. I linked to partway through where posters were finding out it was produced by FSA and the Syrian Government was targeting the camera. Read the whole thread for the story behind what you are seeing.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Edit: And the feed it was from...

bambuser.com...

edit on 24-11-2012 by intrptr because: linky

Good find. And that's something I believe too. But not everything is a conspiracy and not everything is false. If I had thought for any moment that who I was talking to wasn't who they claimed to be, I wouldn't have written my report. The person(s) I spoke to, fortunately, were NOT operating that "feed."

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Yes, I did read your report.

I am inclined to think that you were either duped, or were in contact with one of the original earnest 'revolutionaries', who seem to no longer exist. If you were able to talk to Omar today, I suspect he would be appalled at what the FSA has become and would no longer be supporting them. Or might have found that he had been duped into supporting them in the first place.

From my far remove from the situation, after seeing what happened to Gaza when being pounded by a far superior military, and going by what I know so far, I tend to agree with what George Galloway said in the video in the OP:

"I am not 'with' the Syrian regime. I am against their enemies, because their enemies are worse than them."

Originally posted by DragonFire1024

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by curiouscanadian777

 

Heres a thread for a live webcam that was presented on ATS. I linked to partway through where posters were finding out it was produced by FSA and the Syrian Government was targeting the camera. Read the whole thread for the story behind what you are seeing.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Edit: And the feed it was from...

bambuser.com...

edit on 24-11-2012 by intrptr because: linky

Good find. And that's something I believe too. But not everything is a conspiracy and not everything is false. If I had thought for any moment that who I was talking to wasn't who they claimed to be, I wouldn't have written my report. The person(s) I spoke to, fortunately, were NOT operating that "feed."

edit on 24-11-2012 by DragonFire1024 because: (no reason given)

You mean the same Bambuser.co you linked on the first page of this thread? That guy is FSA. The same one in the ATS thread I linked.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by curiouscanadian777
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Yes, I did read your report.

I am inclined to think that you were either duped, or were in contact with one of the original earnest 'revolutionaries', who seem to no longer exist. If you were able to talk to Omar today, I suspect he would be appalled at what the FSA has become and would no longer be supporting them. Or might have found that he had been duped into supporting them in the first place.

From my far remove from the situation, after seeing what happened to Gaza when being pounded by a far superior military, and going by what I know so far, I tend to agree with what George Galloway said in the video in the OP:

"I am not 'with' the Syrian regime. I am against their enemies, because their enemies are worse than them."

You are making quite the implications for something you know nothing about. Again if you want to further your accusations then back them up with evidence or stop trying to tell me what I know or do not know. I still do talk to Omar. And we don't talk about his opinions, because that isn't what matters. I don't care what he's thinking. I care what is happening in Syria when I talk to him.

Originally posted by intrptr

Originally posted by DragonFire1024

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by curiouscanadian777

 

Heres a thread for a live webcam that was presented on ATS. I linked to partway through where posters were finding out it was produced by FSA and the Syrian Government was targeting the camera. Read the whole thread for the story behind what you are seeing.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Edit: And the feed it was from...

bambuser.com...

edit on 24-11-2012 by intrptr because: linky

Good find. And that's something I believe too. But not everything is a conspiracy and not everything is false. If I had thought for any moment that who I was talking to wasn't who they claimed to be, I wouldn't have written my report. The person(s) I spoke to, fortunately, were NOT operating that "feed."

edit on 24-11-2012 by DragonFire1024 because: (no reason given)

You mean the same Bambuser.co you linked on the first page of this thread? That guy is FSA. The same one in the ATS thread I linked.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Not the one I talked to.