Syria - Update and Information thread

It would be awesome to see Reuters live stream go into Syria. I just wish they would pay more attention to them.

Ok since we are starting fresh and I have little prior knowledge of Syria, I thought I would look into the very basics.
Who is Assad ? According to CNN, so hopefully it's reliable , as in only facts.

www.cnn.com...

"He has put members of his extended family ... in various parts of government and military security apparatus. If the day came -- and it did come -- where there was a threat to the regime, he could count on the loyalty of those closest to him."

This sounds a lot like Saddam's family actually. Getting rid of Assad is only a part of the problem. A power hungry family with money. Great !

reply to post by DragonFire1024


I prefer the west and terrorists staying out of Syrias internal issues.. The current situation was created by the FSA and their foreign minions. So yes, I would back Assad simply because before the FSA entered the arena, everything seemed peaceful in Syria regardless of what Assad has been accused of in the past.

It is also well known that the FSA has been infiltrated by known terrorsit groups from across the Middle East. To me, endorsing, supporting or even recognising the FSA as the legitimate government of Syria is dangerous for not just the Middle East, but also the world.

We keep hearing how worried the west are of Terrorists getting their hands on WMD's yet we have no problems toppling a government who have been in possession,, have never used their stockpile of Chemical/Biological weapons. By giving power to the FSA, you are also giving Terrorist networks a very good opportunity to acquire materials which could be used in weapons of their own remembering, terrorists are working side by side with the FSA. Even the very terrorist network that was accused of bringing down the twin towers 11 years ago. You should be insulted by the western powers...

So , I'm confused.
Is this ANOTHER one of these instances where we are told by our govt and media that ' dictator' is bad, but he
is not really so bad? Is that what is going on here? And please forgive my ignorance. This is a fresh
subject for me. But I do know in the past that the media can point a finger overseas and say ' bad guy' and
we just believe it and cheer for his removal.
Is he a good guy? Is he a bad guy ?
Is it up for debate?

There's tons of this crap demonizing the Syrian Govt:
www.liveleak.com...
Want proof Syria was/is being attacked and toppled by outside forces:
www.cnn.com...
I rest my case

I just posted this in the other thread as well:

Well, this article is quite the mind#!

"As Israel-Gaza Charade Concludes,
West Pivots Back to Syria"

landdestroyer.blogspot.com...


"Egypt, Qatar, and Turkey, all in fact
partners with Israel and its Western
sponsors in the subversion and
overthrow of Syria, now have a
renewed popular mandate across
the Arab World, as a direct result of
Israel's premeditated, predictable
failure in Gaza."

I'm about half way through. It does seem to answer the questions a few in the other thread had about why Israel is giving up so easily, which doesn't ring true somehow.

LandDestroyer has lots of info on this, as well as Global Research and Voltaire Network. Another one is SyrianGirlPartisan. Google to find her as I'm on a tablet and it's pretty tedius to post all those links.

Global Research www.globalresearch.ca...

Land Destroyer landdestroyer.blogspot.ca...

SyrianGirlPartisan twitter twitter.com...

Voltaire Network english www.voltairenet.org...

Great points DarknStormy.

eta: ok, posted links. *voltaire is down right now

Originally posted by schmae
So , I'm confused.
Is this ANOTHER one of these instances where we are told by our govt and media that ' dictator' is bad, but he
is not really so bad?

The thing is he isn't a "good guy" but if they are tlking crap about him these days, whats to say the same wasn't happening when he was accused all those years back also? To me, he can run a country and the only reason why Syria is in full scale civil war is because the west have armed the opposition which includes terrorist organisations which would be condemned and hunted down if they were to pull the same crap concerning a western country.

Is that what is going on here? And please forgive my ignorance. This is a fresh
subject for me. But I do know in the past that the media can point a finger overseas and say ' bad guy' and
we just believe it and cheer for his removal.
Is he a good guy? Is he a bad guy ?
Is it up for debate?

Some people see him as a genocidal maniac. others can see through there own governments BS. Its a tough subject to determine whos good, bad, right and wrong. With what has happened over the last 3 years, I think the west can be held accountable for at least 80% of what has gone down and most of the spew we hear on the MSM is nothing but bias BS.

Someone posted a recent interview with him not long ago, I'll see if I can find that thread and post it.

ETA: Okay, I found an older one here and the media's manipulation of it: www.abovetopsecret.com...
(it's on the first page, about 1/2 way down)

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by Swills

 

They sure are full of fail lately, here are a couple more recent examples:

This one is totally obvious...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And let's not forget ABC editing Assad to make him look worse in the public eye...

The aired version...

And the full unedited interview...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Fail boat indeed!

The sad thing is that there are a ton of people falling for this crap, but thankfully most of us know better.

And here is the new one, from 2 or 3 weeks ago I think:
(posted in this thread www.abovetopsecret.com...)

I'll repost it here:

twitter:

Kassem
@ Kassem226 2d
It boggles me how many
accuse the media of being
blatantly pro-Israel and lying
on #Gaza , then believe the
same media's lies about
#Syria .

Good point.

Found it on SyrianGirl's twitter:

twitter.com...

I'm going to work on finding or putting together a somewhat brief summary of events up to now, as brief as possible anyway.

Also I've heard more than once that it has a lot to do with a natural gas pipeline, will get more info on that.

Originally posted by DarknStormy
reply to post by DragonFire1024

 

I prefer the west and terrorists staying out of Syrias internal issues.. The current situation was created by the FSA and their foreign minions. So yes, I would back Assad simply because before the FSA entered the arena, everything seemed peaceful in Syria regardless of what Assad has been accused of in the past.

Peaceful? Until Assad started blowing up his own people at protests.

It is also well known that the FSA has been infiltrated by known terrorsit groups from across the Middle East. To me, endorsing, supporting or even recognising the FSA as the legitimate government of Syria is dangerous for not just the Middle East, but also the world.

If I didn't know any better I would say you work for Syrian State TV because that's exactly what they would say...that everyone fighting Assad is a terrorist. If you have a problem with someone supporting the FSA, go yell at France for recognizing them as the legit government of Syria.

We keep hearing how worried the west are of Terrorists getting their hands on WMD's yet we have no problems toppling a government who have been in possession,, have never used their stockpile of Chemical/Biological weapons. By giving power to the FSA, you are also giving Terrorist networks a very good opportunity to acquire materials which could be used in weapons of their own remembering, terrorists are working side by side with the FSA. Even the very terrorist network that was accused of bringing down the twin towers 11 years ago. You should be insulted by the western powers...

edit on 22-11-2012 by DarknStormy because: (no reason given)

Saddam had WMD...he used them on his own people. And last I checked, the USA hasn't toppled a government with WMD or suspected WMD since Saddam.

Terrorists will get whatever weapons they can, from whoever they can. Supporting or not supporting the FSA is going to change that. If the FSA is terrorists as you say, then it won't matter whether we support them or not.

Terrorists will always exist. Hate will always exist. And as far as I know, Al Qaeda doesn't have WMD. Nor did Afghanistan. If anything, I should be insulted by the fact the my government is wasting its time with taking out "terrorists" without actually having an effect on terrorism itself.

A live feed of a protest in Syria...I don't know what city. May only be live for a few minutes. bambuser.com...

Hey, thanks for posting.

We're going to have to keep digging and get to the bottom of this...\

According to the video, Manufacturing Dissent, the protests WERE peaceful, they went on for many weeks, with no injuries, even when police were attacked. There were reports of snipers, if I recall. Now, I understand that this is one account, but, it is by no means a settled question Dragon.

Now having seen Gaza up close and personal, I can more appreciate what it must be like for the civilians being caught in a fight with planes bombing and ground troops...but, there again, for every report of 'the army is killing our people', there are reports of 'NO! There were armed gangs killing people and the army came in and protected us!'...

So, we really do have to keep digging, no?

And there are many many reports that yes, in fact, there are terrorists in Syria.

Have you been reading any of these articles or watching any of these videos?

I just have a very hard time believing that our lying scumbag govts and media are suddenly telling us the truth here. It just doesn't make sense.

Since when was France anything but a lying scumbag govt just like ours and all the rest of them?

From an earlier post:

"Think for a moment how very unreal or surreal an undertaking, that another group of nations ‘create’ a government, allegedly for Syria, then install them in another nation entirely, Egypt. Yet recognize them as the legitimate representative government of the chosen targeted country. All done without the consent or vote of the Syrian populace... How very freedom loving and democratic? How very bizarre. Insane. Upside down.
Pick your descriptor?"

Just how does that make any sense? You think these other lying scumbag countries 'recognizing' them makes them in any way legitimate?

I'm just not buying it. As I said, if the evidence turns out to support that conclusion, I'll change my opinion, but as of now, the MSM/govt line makes no sense, and they are known liars.

I think those are Kurdish flags the people are waving in the stream you posted...Looking up now where they stand in all this...there are so many different factions...as someone on pg1 said, good luck keeping up with them all...

Originally posted by DragonFire1024
Peaceful? Until Assad started blowing up his own people at protests.

When and where? You need to do better than that....

If I didn't know any better I would say you work for Syrian State TV because that's exactly what they would say...that everyone fighting Assad is a terrorist. If you have a problem with someone supporting the FSA, go yell at France for recognizing them as the legit government of Syria.

I cannot change a thing when it comes to Syria but I will let you know what my stance is. Speaking about Syrian State TV, I remember the FSA bombing one of them and killing journalists. True freedom fighters they, hey?

Saddam had WMD...he used them on his own people. And last I checked, the USA hasn't toppled a government with WMD or suspected WMD since Saddam.

What does Saddam have to do with Assad and Syria? Iraq and the USA have had an ongoing history and when it comes to Iraq remember, the USA also endorsed and supplied then with everything they needed. The point I was trying to make is that Assad has WMD's but hasn't used them inside Syria during the uprising, on any other nation or people. I would feel safer if he was in control compared to the unknown concerning the FSA and their jihad buddies.

Terrorists will always exist. Hate will always exist. And as far as I know, Al Qaeda doesn't have WMD. Nor did Afghanistan. If anything, I should be insulted by the fact the my government is wasting its time with taking out "terrorists" without actually having an effect on terrorism itself.

Your government and European governments are funding the FSA and it is well known that terrorist groups are operating in Syria. The problem I have is that those very groups were public enemy number one a decade ago. Here we are today funding and weaponising the very people who are accused of attacks on the USA and Europe.

The other issue I see is just a repeating cycle concerning those groups.Yeah, yous got rid of Osama and yous may aswell of declared the war on terror won. Now we have more hardcore fundamentalists tearing countries apart with the support of western governments and somewhere down the track when the Jihadists wake up, they are going to do the exact same thing as Osama. What happens after that?

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"Think for a moment how very unreal or surreal an undertaking, that another group of nations ‘create’ a government, allegedly for Syria, then install them in another nation entirely, Egypt. Yet recognize them as the legitimate representative government of the chosen targeted country. All done without the consent or vote of the Syrian populace... How very freedom loving and democratic? How very bizarre. Insane. Upside down.
Pick your descriptor?"

Its brilliant. All I think about is what would happen if the same was to come to my country... My government under attack from a bunch of rebels endorsed by China.. Then China and the Asian countries recognise those rebels as the new government and anyone who is against them is killed...

They very same would be happening in Syria when it comes to Assad supporters who run into the mercanaries.

@DragonFire

In regard to the Kurdish, I'm assuming, people on the livestream, from the article from 'Pennyforyourthoughts' I posted earlier:

"Syria Kurdish leader rejects new opposition coalition

Saleh Muslim, head of the Democratic Union Party (PYD), head of the Democratic Union Party (PYD), said he had not been invited to talks in Doha this month in which the Syrian National Coalition was formed, and he labeled the group a proxy of Turkey and Qatar."

"In Tehran, Iran held a meeting on Sunday of about 200 members of the officially sanctioned opposition, but no members of the new coalition were invited. It was unclear who those attending actually represented."

Did you catch it? The NYT’s should really ask this question. Who is actually represented by the NATO coalition, of largely foreigners, in Cairo, Egypt. Not the regular Syrians. Not the Kurds. Not the Islamists. Instead the NYT’s asks who the internal opposition, resident on the ground in Syria, represents? (Black is White)

I am thinking this is the same internal opposition that walked out on the coalition a couple of weeks back. The same internal opposition that has all along been against external intervention. The same internal opposition that held meetings with Russia on previous occasions."

I'm looking for more info...

reply to post by DarknStormy


How do you think this uprising/revolt/civil war started? Because people were being killed at protests by Assad's forces in an attempt to silence them. So when and where? See below.

Syrian Civil War:

The conflict began on 15 March 2011 with nationwide demonstrations as part of the wider protest movement known as the Arab Spring. Protesters demanded the resignation of President Bashar al-Assad, as well as the end to nearly five decades of Ba'ath Party rule. In April 2011, the Syrian Army was deployed to quell the uprising, and soldiers were ordered to open fire on civilians. After months of military sieges, the protests evolved into an armed rebellion.

The FSA is the closest thing those people have right now to a form of government that is at least trying to listen to them. Neither side is perfect, but I would rather have a chance at freedom than depend on a leader bent on killing his own people whenever they open their mouths.

I cannot change a thing when it comes to Syria but I will let you know what my stance is. Speaking about Syrian State TV, I remember the FSA bombing one of them and killing journalists. True freedom fighters they, hey?

You mean the people that sit on a state run TV and spread lies and propaganda and then have the audacity to call themselves "journalists." Yeah those people. A journalist is supposed to report facts and the truth. Syrian State "news" doesn't even attempt to do that.

What does Saddam have to do with Assad and Syria?

Saddam used them on his own people. I really don't think Assad will on Syrians and if he ever does give the order, given the current situation, they wouldn't be able to do it without killing large sums of people on both sides. Not to mention, I don't think the Syrian army has it in them to go that far...at least as a whole.

Your government and European governments are funding the FSA and it is well known that terrorist groups are operating in Syria. The problem I have is that those very groups were public enemy number one a decade ago. Here we are today funding and weaponising the very people who are accused of attacks on the USA and Europe.

And what terrorist groups? Al Qaeda? Prove it. I am not going to sit here and make such a claim without backing it up. We also funded the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan...look what happened there. We also send the Israelis weapons (lethal and not), and lets not forget to mention the Egyptians, who during their uprising used tear gas and other weapons on their own people, that were made in the good old USA.

The other issue I see is just a repeating cycle concerning those groups.Yeah, yous got rid of Osama and yous may aswell of declared the war on terror won. Now we have more hardcore fundamentalists tearing countries apart with the support of western governments and somewhere down the track when the Jihadists wake up, they are going to do the exact same thing as Osama. What happens after that?

The world will never be ridden of terrorists and killers until the entire planet sees some sort of enlightenment where finally everyone realizes we are all humans and have to live on this planet together. Until that day, there will be war and as long as there is war, there will be hate, and as long as there is hate, there will be terrorists and killers.

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Sorry...I did not catch any of that. I am a little behind on the news today. Been quite busy.