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Russia steps up Syria evacuation efforts

Agent, true or false?

reply to post by Zerschmetterling


False Our MSM outlets have being wanting the Russians to leave since 2011 and when our MSM claimed that Russia wanted to excavate 99,100 Russians from Syria last year only 77 Russian Syrians had left due to the fact they were the ones being targeted.

Thanks for continuing to update, I haven't been here much lately.

@Zett: "How about you enlighten me what's real and what's not so I save myself some time"

I tend to take what the MSM says, assume the opposite and go from there. As well, there are certain things you can infer; i.e. when the MSM is virtually hammering us with '...the rebels are soooo close to winning', that usually means things are NOT going well for them and they need backup, stat! As the blogger 'Syrian Perspective' puts it, when the propaganda index is high, you can be sure things are quite grim for the FSA.

Everything that's been/is happening is just insane, ludicrous, it beggars belief...
So we're fighting against AQ in Afg, with them in Syria, against them in Mali, with them in Libya...I mean, their own published reports state this, as just one example, that AQ had a training base in Libya, until suddenly the very same people became 'freedom fighters'...They're at the UN asking for sanctions put on this country for arming 'rebels' and in the next breath, trying to GET approval to arm 'rebels' in another country...And few find all this strange, wrong, upside down?!? People take what any of them say seriously?!?

It's '1984' in real life...It's chilling when you think about it, how much our world has become like that book.

To add to the last post: Have you seen this? A Belgian MP spelling daring to speak out about what very few will publicly speak of. Here is the transcript.

"The Greatest Speech by a Western Statesman This Century?"
kennysideshow.blogspot.ca...

The whole thing is great, here is a bit of it:

And as you can see, for months, our country is only participating to put in place, Islamic regimes in North Africa and the Middle East. So, when they come and pretend to go to war in order to fight against terrorism in Mali, well… I feel like laughing. It’s false!

Under the appearance of good actions, we only intervene to defend financial interests in a complete neo-colonialist agenda. It makes no sense to go to help France in Mali in the name of the fight against Islamic terrorism when - at the same time – we support the overthrow of Syrian president Bashar al-Assad by Islamist rebels who want to impose Sharia Law, as was done in Tunisia and in Libya.

It is about time to stop lying to us and treating people like imbeciles.

The time has come to tell the truth. Arming the Islamist Rebels, as Westerners have, in the past armed Bin Laden, that friend of the Americans before they turned against him, well, the western countries are taking the opportunity to place military bases in the newly conquered countries while favoring domestic companies.

Everything is therefore strategic. In Iraq, our American allies have put their hands on the country’s oil wealth. In Afghanistan, it was its opium and drugs always useful when it comes to make lots of money pretty quickly. In Libya, in Tunisia, in Egypt, or then again in Syria, the aim was – and is still today, to overthrow moderate powers, to replace them with Islamist powers who very quickly will become troublesome and who we will shamelessly attack pretending once again, to fight terrorism or protect Israel.

ETA:

A few blogs with pretty regular updates on Syria; most provide links to other articles as well:

pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca...

syrianperspective.blogspot.gr...

www.voltairenet.org...

www.globalresearch.ca...

syria360.wordpress.com...

and an article:

"What the Syrian death tolls really tell us
Unreliable data can incite and escalate a conflict – the latest UN-sponsored figure of 60,000 should not be reported as fact" Sharmine Narwani Friday 15 February 2013

www.guardian.co.uk...

Casualty counts during modern wars have become a highly politicised business. On one hand, they can help alert the outside world to the scale of violence and suffering, and the risks of conflict spreading both within a country's borders and beyond them. On the other, as in Syria, Iraq, Darfur, the Democratic Republic of Congo and elsewhere, death tolls have routinely been manipulated, inflated or downplayed – a tool for the advancement of political interests.

As if to underline the point, Libya's new government recently announced that death tolls had been exaggerated during the 2011 Libyan civil war; that there had been around 5,000 deaths on either side – a long way from the reported tens of thousands of casualties that set the scene for Nato's "humanitarian" intervention, or the 30-50,000 deaths claimed by opponents of this intervention.

While physically present in Iraq, the US and British governments were unable to provide estimates of the numbers of deaths unleashed by their own invasion, yet in Syria, the same governments frequently quote detailed figures, despite lacking essential access.

Here is a new article from landdestroyer:

"West Pours Arms into Syria as Al
Qaeda Mass Slaughters Civilians"
landdestroyer.blogspot.com...

In this excerpt is another example of their own published reports admitting they knew years ago exactly where and who the terrorists were (and are):

The US Army West
Point Combating Terrorism Center's
2007 report, " Al-Qa'ida's Foreignt
Fighters in Iraq" indicated which
areas in Syria Al Qaeda fighters
filtering into Iraq came from. The
overwhelming majority of them
came from Dayr Al-Zawr in Syria's
southeast, Idlib in the north near the
Turkish-Syrian border, and Dar'a
(Daraa) in the south near the
Jordanian-Syrian border. (Right) A
map indicating the epicenters of
violence in Syria indicate that the
exact same hotbeds for Al Qaeda in
2007, now serve as the epicenters of
so-called "pro-democracy fighters."
The Washington Post now claims
that arming militants near Dar'a
(Daraa) will help keep weapons out
of extremists' hands, despite the US
Army long-ago identifying it as one
of many Al Qaeda hotbeds.

Tony Blair calls for UK intervention in Syria crisis

interesting 15min video interview by the BBC, worth a watch for sure

Rula Amin @RulaAmin

#SYRIA’S JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF DECLARES GENERAL MOBILIZATION AND RAISES MILITARY READINESS LEVEL IN DAMASCUS AND RECALL RESERVISTS

Another Source - big news if true, reminds me of the Volkssturm in Germany back then.

Today, it was announced that the Brits and Russians counterparts meet to discuss among several issues, the Syrian issue as well.

Both sides agree to help facillitate a dialogue, but where they differ is who is to attend the conference to end the horrifying war.

The west's and rebellion's stance is that the HumanSlayer Assad NOT attend, and preferrrable clasped in chains and locked up. Russia's stance is to insist its puppet remains in power and conduct the talks. The HumanSlayer Assad, meanwhile has his own mind to the game - no talks, just the rebellion to lay down arms and bow to him, even after he had slaughtered and caused 70,000 syrians precious lives, man, women and child. to end.

There is NO way mankind will let the Humanslayer assad live, let alone be conducting any talks. It would have been a grevious insult to humanity whom had died and struggled long for - peaceful co-existance with no abitary taking of precious innocent human lives.

Russia cares NOTHING. Putin is an ex KGB agent, long breed in it to be vicious and cruel. All he cares about is his senile old age dream - to be worshipped as the father of Russia and the cause of its greatness. He is nuts.

Ultimately, the SOLUTION to the Syria crisis lays in his weakness.

1. The beast assad meant nothing to him. He owes nothing to the beast, and even if he does, the beast is in NO position to demand anything.


2. All Putin cares about is his personal prideful glory and a supporter within the middle east.


3. Thus, the solution lays in the West to agree to find and let a supporter of Russia to lead the free syrians. This can only happen if the west realizes where its priority lays - fellow dying humans in syria, or fear of russian heagomony.

Truth is, there is nothing to fear of Russia. Putin will not live forever, nor his corrupted ideals. Even today, there are many whom are ready to lay down their lives to end this russian cancer called Putin. It is only a matter of time and the Free World DO have that time. Only the suffering syrians today don't.

Therefore, the Rebellion must get a leader whom will bow to Putin for the time being, or at least as long as he lives, which won't be long.

Once that is done, supply the Rebellion with the best arms possible, more from russia as they will be the beneficiaries. There is no need to fear it falling into jihadists hands. It is only a matter of time anyway, for such arms can be found in the blackmarket and libyan abandon armouries, which the jihadists had been using and long acknowledged as the best armed group in the rebellion.

The west in reality have no need of Syria anyway. But as the slaughtering drags on, it will only hogged world affairs agenda and stability of our world. More critically, NO human can or will tolerate the sufferings there anymore. Enough is enough.

Furthermore, as mentioned by me on other threads, the DEMOCRACY of Syria will be in 2 stages. First will be the fight to bring the tyrant assad to face justice, and the second battle will be against the jihadists whom will eventually attempt for despotic Shariah law to rule syria.

But like the Malians, regressive Shariah law of the 7th century which was meant only for that century to rule the barbarians turned recently civilised, will NOT be acceptable to the free secularist muslim syrians in the long run. Fortunately, the jihadists are but only a small group and can be taken out easily in short time when the 2nd syrian civil war happens.

May the Brits and the West not waste today's opportunity with Russia, inorder to save syrian lives. They had suffered enough.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


Remember Iran from 1953-1979? What will you say when the media turn their cameras off after Assad is ousted and the rebels continue to kill innocent Syrians? Are you going to call them humanslayers or will their killings be justified like you would justify the slaughter of Iraqis, Libyans, Afghans? I understand your country is just about finished but it doesn't mean you have to support land thieving, money hungry Zionist pigs.

The chemical weapons are in the news again, have been for the last couple weeks. Here is a thread from today:

"Syria accuses rebels of using chemical weapons"

www.abovetopsecret.com...#

eta:

another thread:

"Syrian "Rebels" Fire Chemical Weapons in Aleppo killing 15"

www.abovetopsecret.com...#

I'v always thought HumanSlayer Assad and Putin as only insane, but not stupid.

Guess I had under-estimated them.

If they and their strategists think that firing its chemical weapons and then blame it upon the rebels now in the face of the west's decision to arm the rebels would deter such support, they are indeed stupid.

It had only raise the threat level and concerns that chemical weapons are now used, and it is VITAL & CRITICAL now to hasten the end of the conflict.

What that beast had done had now force the hand of mankind to do all it takes to end the syrian conflict before even MORE chemical weapons are used, and spill over to neighbouring countries killing even more innocents, REGARDLESS of which sides are using it.

That complete morons Assad and Putin, had just gave the world impetus to speed it its armaments to the rebels to end the civil war, a war that had long exhausted all peaceful solutions to end it and now have to use the force of war to finish it off once and for all.

It seems only France and UK had conscience to seek EU as a group to end the embargo of weapons for the syrian rebels.

The rest of EU do have genuine concerns.

1. Arming the rebels will only cause more bloodshed.

Truth is - even without arming the rebels, blood had already long been shed in VAST quantities - 70,000 fellow humans dead now and rising.

Take the example of Libya:-
Even though radical islamist elements and warlords existed and had western supplied arms, amongst the many more secularist muslim libyans, AT LEAST the scale of slaughter by Gaddafi had ebbed very much.

No doubt there are still deaths, and each life is precious, however, if the libyan Rebellion had not been armed and helped, the slaughter wuld have continued till today and tommorow.

Arming the rebels will at least bring the horrifying death toll dished out wantonly by the humanslayer Assad down. Let us all have no illusion that a second war will be fought when the beast is dead. But at least, it will be humans against humans - warlords or young sunni radicals whom can be brought around through the honest and true interpretations of the Koran by genuine scholars.

It will most certainly halt the terrifying screams of innocent kids screaming in abject fear as the regime's jets scream in the air and pound their homes to dust.


2, Radical militants will return help by using those supplied weapons to kill innocents in the West.

Truth is - with or without western supplied arms, those militants HAD LONG been attempting to kill innocents not only in the West and around the world, even upon innocent muslims.

Military bases are inflitrated, farm equipment made bombs, home made knives, etc can kill as well. Even passenger aircrafts can be hijacked and turned into missiles.

It is the free world's VIGILIANCE that stops terrorism, not weapons alone from both sides.


3. If the free world supplies the rebels, Russia and Iran will supply the regime.

Truth is - Russia and Iran had LONG been supplying weapons to the regime. Those helicopters were maintained by russia, and missles etc came from russia on passenger flight.

Ultimately, the end of the war will come from numbers if both sides are equally armed. The Syrian Rebel had MORE troops, while the regime has only limited troops to man supplied weapons. All things being equal, the regime will fall.


For the love of God, arm the rebels now....

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

For the love of God, arm the rebels now....


How about no?

A delegation from Syrian internal opposition, headed by the Deputy Prime Minister, is in Moscow for talks on the Syrian crisis. The group has met with the Russian Foreign Minister, Sergey Lavrov, behind closed doors on Tuesday. They discussed prospects of finding a solution to the bloody unrest in Syria.


On Tuesday Syrian President, Bashar al-Assad, issued a general amnesty and pardoned an unspecified number of criminals. The Syrian delegation in Moscow says it's the 5th amnesty and the government keeps doors open for all those who want to end violence and lay down their weapons.

The Russian Foreign Ministry has recently declared Syria as a centre for international terrorism. During talks, the delegation discussed the latest situation in the country. They say violence is on the rise and thousands of people are losing their lives in the conflict.

The delegation has thanked Sergey Lavrov and Russia for playing an active role in helping Syria organise a national dialogue, along with Iran, China and other BRICS countries.

The delegation says that the crisis in Syria has reached a critical point. There is a consensus between the government and internal opposition that violence leads nowhere and it must be stopped. Dialogue is seen as the best way to bring an end to the conflict in Syria but it is unclear when that would really take place.

www.presstv.ir...

The only way for dialogue is that the HumanSlayer for bloody once give up on the throne and get lost. HE is the one who is holding up talks, for NO FREE SYRIAN will sit down on a table setting with either him or his bootlickers, NOT after the first mass slaughtering of unarmed innocent syrians pleading him for help, NOT after his tanks slaughtered hundreds of Sunnis in their homes and provinces, AND MOST CERTAINLY NOT after his jets and arti continued to pound innocent syrians INDISCRIMINATELY and FREELY, despite his BS of amnesty.

If he truly cares about the west - Europe and US in his attempt to chastisized them for giving arms to the long dead Al Queda, more than his own People had slaughtered to the tune of 70,000 men, women and children, that AQ will bite off the western hands for the help, then he best acknowledge that he WAS the cause for radical militants of AQ mould in Syria today.

If he had not slaughter his own people whom only plead for help and tank annihilation of Sunni districts, NO SYRIAN would have taken up arms against him. And NO SYRIAN would have accepted the apostate AQ remnant militants for help.

But as it had happened, NOTHING can change those facts, no whitewashing to fool the imbeciles.

May he cut the BS and leave syria to a caretaker govt whom will negotiate for peace and governorship later. Even minute he stays, only proves the slaughter and bloodshed by him will continue on, and the remaining alive free syrians becoming more dependent on radical militants for support and being twisted to the radical ideology.

But he won't, for he is an animal and a selfish deluded one. The only way he will get off his throne is by force, and so too will be the radical militants too as Syrians paid too high a price for their freedom to want to live in tyranny ever again under apostate AQ remnant militants who offers nothing but more war and deaths to cull syrians to manageable proportions to rule and brainwash - 500,000 syrian slaves left alive under the tyrant rule of radical theology masquering as Islam.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


Yawn.

EU eases Syria oil embargo to assist foreign-backed militants

From external source:The European Union has eased Syria oil embargo to assist foreign-backed militants fighting against the government of President Bashar al-Assad.
www.presstv.ir...

Meanwhie in Afghanistan..Taliban captures 11 US military personnel aboard chopper

From external source:Taliban militants say they have captured 11 US military personnel after their helicopter made an emergency landing in Afghanistan’s eastern province of Logar
www.presstv.ir...

Today, USA had come to grips that the only solution left to save more lives in Syria lays with weapons, and no more in diplomatic 'talks' as such means had failed for 2 long years while thousands of our fellow innocent human brothers and sisters in Syria die, and for nothing, with the revelation that the evidence of WMD use is compelling, more so with the HumanSlayer Assad fork tongued words of not using it, welcoming inspections but DO NOT allow UN inspectors into reported contaminated areas where many are suffering from such efforts report via escapees and other forms of communication.

It is comprehensible that President Obama is cautious at most times seemed cowardly, more so as he had claimed he will act when red lines had been crossed and so far had not, for he fears backlash and blowbacks such as those in Iraq.

But the thing is, NO situation is the same and calls for the same reactions, despite what many of the naysayers and the beasts bootlickers are trying to allude. Iraq is Iraq and Syria is Syria, under very much obvious differences and thus necessary actions be viewed as much - with differences that any rational man and not human slaying bootlickers will use.

President Obama and his council in the White House will have a difficult task on hand, but to do nothing is to let innocent Syrians be slaughtered enmassed as it had been for 2 years, as it had been in Rwanda, and in Darfur and other tragic regions in our SHARED world.

To help him in his decision for intervention, he only needs to widen that White House council to incorporate MORE brains into evaluating and processing the RISKS MANAGEMENT of such intervention, from a wide variety of professions - scientist, military, medicine, anthropology, psychologists, economists, etc, including even fiction writers, as 911 was deemed a work of fiction on TV's X-Files prior to the actual event until it became a reality.

Each will give a broader perspective on the kind of COMMON risks that the President will face, and what will be the necessary actions to handle blowbacks, repercussions and backlash, fully organised and ready to spring into action on the word go.

However, there is no need to involve naysayers, for naysayers are only loud but timid individuals whom will say no to anything, even to move away if a brick is falling upon their heads.

There is no other solution to the Syrian crisis, unless mankind has the conscience enough to sleep peacefully away at nights while their fellow human brothers and sisters in Syria suffers in great magnitude. 'Looking the other way' can be a deadly habit, because one day, when fate or Karma which is boomerang, swings back at us, there will be none that will look at our way.

Israel strikes Syria