Why the hatred for the Israelis?

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Babylon was destroyed by the flood long ago,
time to move on.
The holy-land belongs to christians, muslims and
the Abrahamic faiths, it's called democracy . . . get over it.

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Originally posted by ToneDeaf
Babylon was destroyed by the flood long ago, time to move on.
The holy-land belongs to christians, muslims and
the Abrahamic faiths, it's called democracy . . . get over it.

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The Holyland belongs to Christians, Muslims and the Abrahamic faiths, its called coruption, murder and lots of $$$igns.

reply to post by DeadSeraph


The peoples residing in the land of Canaan were the decendants of Ham. The peoples who would come to be known as Israelites originally came from Ur in Babylon.
They took over the land and divided it eventually among 12 brothers.
At times their own decendants became fractious with one another. They split into a Northern and Southern Kingdom. One known as Judah one known as Israel. (An even smaller portion of land than what is known as Israel today, btw).

Treachery between the two kingdoms led to the superpower of the time, as irony would have it, Babylon, would take them into captivity for around 400-500 years. Even after they were freed by the aid of the by King Cyrus the Great of Persia (Iran to you, another irony), many did not choose to leave and stayed and flourished as Jews in Babylon.

Fast forward to the Roman Empire and the year 70. The Romans laid seige to Israel and either killed or drove off or led into captivity the majority, if not all Israelites.
The ones who managed to do well in Rome, eventually moved into upper regions near what is now Poland.
But, the majority of the people who called themselves Jews were not Jews by blood, but were converts to the religion and have no blood or historical connection to the region of the Middle East whatsoever.

There is a vast difference in Sephardic Jews (natural born though rarely known clan affiliation of the twelve tribes) and Ashkenazi Jews.
But, it was a majority of the converted Jews who moved into the new homeland as declared in 1948.

Originally posted by PaperbackWriter
reply to post by DeadSeraph

 

The peoples residing in the land of Canaan were the decendants of Ham. The peoples who would come to be known as Israelites originally came from Ur in Babylon.
They took over the land and divided it eventually among 12 brothers.
At times their own decendants became fractious with one another. They split into a Northern and Southern Kingdom. One known as Judah one known as Israel. (An even smaller portion of land than what is known as Israel today, btw).

Treachery between the two kingdoms led to the superpower of the time, as irony would have it, Babylon, would take them into captivity for around 400-500 years. Even after they were freed by the aid of the by King Cyrus the Great of Persia (Iran to you, another irony), many did not choose to leave and stayed and flourished as Jews in Babylon.

Fast forward to the Roman Empire and the year 70. The Romans laid seige to Israel and either killed or drove off or led into captivity the majority, if not all Israelites.
The ones who managed to do well in Rome, eventually moved into upper regions near what is now Poland.
But, the majority of the people who called themselves Jews were not Jews by blood, but were converts to the religion and have no blood or historical connection to the region of the Middle East whatsoever.

There is a vast difference in Sephardic Jews (natural born though rarely known clan affiliation of the twelve tribes) and Ashkenazi Jews.
But, it was a majority of the converted Jews who moved into the new homeland as declared in 1948.

Thanks for the history lesson, but it's flawed. The hebrew people did not come from babylon (although you are right that they were later captive to the babylonians).

They came from Mesopotamia (which is the same region as babylon, but an entirely different era).

Could you clarify your position a little more for me? Are you claiming that Hebraic people have no ancestral claims to the land, despite the obvious historical records to the contrary?

reply to post by DeadSeraph


Genesis 11:31 And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.


you were saying it's flawed... what was that? otherwise now known as the region in iraq. oh and Haran is in modern day Turkey if you were wondering.

Originally posted by rollsthepaul
The Jews have an extremely bad record everywhere in the world. Zionism is not Judaism. It is more Satanic than anything. When the Rothschilds created Israel and Zionism, which they fully own today, it was to give them a place where Jews could run and hide from all of the hatred they earned in Europe. Usury is an evil practice and the Jews are masters of it. The land was stolen from Palestine and the theft goes on. There is no way to spin this positive because it started with theft and got worse from then on.

The more I think on it, the more I think... these aren't real Jews.

Take a few minutes to read what this guy has to say about EDOM!

www.askelm.com...

“The pride of your heart has deceived [will deceive] you.” They are a very proud and haughty people, undoubtedly quite egotistical. No doubt they have or will have a considerable amount of money or resources to be able to maintain the pride that they possess. Throughout the Scripture we find these Edomites normally described as being very proud people. Here it is being illustrated.

“The pride of your heart has deceived [will deceive] you. You that dwell in the clefts of the rock” (Obadiah 3). That is in Petra. I have been to Petra and it is a most impressive place. It is surrounded by these rock escarpments all around with one or two entrances into it, and the entrances are very narrow. I think most of you know about that. 7 An army could be held off by just a few men guarding some of those passes into the area of Petra. Edom is very proud, it dwells “in the clefts of the rock,” in the Petra area, southeast of the Dead Sea:

“… whose habitation is high; that says in his heart, ‘Who shall bring me down to the ground?’ Though you exalt yourself as the eagle.”

Obadiah 3–4

The eagles of Palestine are practically free of all predators. No one can injure them. They put their nest way up on the crags of a rock. Snakes cannot get up there to get the little eaglets. Hardly anyone can get up there. The mother can protect the little ones easily. The eagle of Palestine was known for its invulnerability. So here are these Edomites exalting themselves,

Isn't that what we have with International Bankers and Israel? A people gloating in its invulnerability?

reply to post by DeadSeraph


You are nitpicking. Ur of the Chaldeans is the same area of Babylon. I used Babylon because it showed full circle to the same land area even though the name had changed.

They weren't there, they were there, they weren't there, and now they are. I mean really. Historical claims indeed.

The people who converted because their king in areas in and around the area of Poland urged the people to convert to Judaism have no claims to the land. But, these were the main group who were transplanted.

Now if you want to get down to the Biblical import. Even the real bloodline Jews who were followers of the Pharisees are an abomination. They were deal breakers. On numerous occasions.
But, that won't be dealt with by any person or government.

To me what is going on now are people behind the scenes who for their own reasons seek to bring about Armegeddon on false premise.

reply to post by michael1983l


Well...this kind of sounds familiar....

Remember how it was in IRAQ?

Saddam kept hiding behind his innocent civillains too.

And we all know what happened afterwards...

reply to post by seamus


I thought of this too.

I always wonder what the connection is with the Vatican (Roman Catholics) and Isreal (Jewish) too. Aren't they supposed to be sort of enemies? The vatican (the beast of revelations) owns most of the banks around the world.

Originally posted by PaperbackWriter
reply to post by DeadSeraph

 

You are nitpicking. Ur of the Chaldeans is the same area of Babylon. I used Babylon because it showed full circle to the same land area even though the name had changed.

They weren't there, they were there, they weren't there, and now they are. I mean really. Historical claims indeed.

The people who converted because their king in areas in and around the area of Poland urged the people to convert to Judaism have no claims to the land. But, these were the main group who were transplanted.

Now if you want to get down to the Biblical import. Even the real bloodline Jews who were followers of the Pharisees are an abomination. They were deal breakers. On numerous occasions.
But, that won't be dealt with by any person or government.

To me what is going on now are people behind the scenes who for their own reasons seek to bring about Armegeddon on false premise.

Wow. Thanks for being clear about the questions I asked you? So now Poland has something to do with Palestine and ancient Israel?

Originally posted by seamus

Originally posted by rollsthepaul
The Jews have an extremely bad record everywhere in the world. Zionism is not Judaism. It is more Satanic than anything. When the Rothschilds created Israel and Zionism, which they fully own today, it was to give them a place where Jews could run and hide from all of the hatred they earned in Europe. Usury is an evil practice and the Jews are masters of it. The land was stolen from Palestine and the theft goes on. There is no way to spin this positive because it started with theft and got worse from then on.

The more I think on it, the more I think... these aren't real Jews.

Take a few minutes to read what this guy has to say about EDOM!

www.askelm.com...

“The pride of your heart has deceived [will deceive] you.” They are a very proud and haughty people, undoubtedly quite egotistical. No doubt they have or will have a considerable amount of money or resources to be able to maintain the pride that they possess. Throughout the Scripture we find these Edomites normally described as being very proud people. Here it is being illustrated.

“The pride of your heart has deceived [will deceive] you. You that dwell in the clefts of the rock” (Obadiah 3). That is in Petra. I have been to Petra and it is a most impressive place. It is surrounded by these rock escarpments all around with one or two entrances into it, and the entrances are very narrow. I think most of you know about that. 7 An army could be held off by just a few men guarding some of those passes into the area of Petra. Edom is very proud, it dwells “in the clefts of the rock,” in the Petra area, southeast of the Dead Sea:

“… whose habitation is high; that says in his heart, ‘Who shall bring me down to the ground?’ Though you exalt yourself as the eagle.”

Obadiah 3–4

The eagles of Palestine are practically free of all predators. No one can injure them. They put their nest way up on the crags of a rock. Snakes cannot get up there to get the little eaglets. Hardly anyone can get up there. The mother can protect the little ones easily. The eagle of Palestine was known for its invulnerability. So here are these Edomites exalting themselves,

Isn't that what we have with International Bankers and Israel? A people gloating in its invulnerability?

Why don't you tell us who "real" jews are?

reply to post by DeadSeraph


I thought you were trying to "school me" with your Washington Times article and here I am having to school you.

I just grabbed a link but it's from Wiki. en.wikipedia.org...

These are not bloodline Jews by and large and have no traceable connection to the Twelve Tribes which is the
definitive definition of an ISRAELITE. Only ISRAELITES would have any debatable historical claims to the land.

Note the area where these converts came from. Why it's the area of Nazi Germany. These are the transplanted
converted to Judaism "Jews" not ethnically Israelites.

Are we clear?

They had about as much legitimate claims on the geographic area of Israel as these people, LoL:

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by DeadSeraph


I believe the original question you asked him was

Could you clarify your position a little more for me? Are you claiming that Hebraic people have no ancestral claims to the land, despite the obvious historical records to the contrary?

now you derailed and asked

Wow. Thanks for being clear about the questions I asked you? So now Poland has something to do with Palestine and ancient Israel?

and you can find the answer to the second question in the original post....

reply to post by gnosticagnostic


Thank you. You've been most helpful!
However, just to be in full disclosure, I am a she.

reply to post by PaperbackWriter


well if you wanna be tech.. probably more Palestinians have more ethnic Israelite blood from the original 12 tribes than those israelites there.. but hey when your fighting religious battles for millennia who's to say who mixed blood with who and who's blood line reigns supreme....

reply to post by PaperbackWriter


oh awesome .. sorry.. I'm a she too.. so I know how it is sometimes I enjoy it though , people seem to take me more seriously.

Originally posted by PaperbackWriter
reply to post by DeadSeraph

 

I thought you were trying to "school me" with your Washington Times article and here I am having to school you.

I just grabbed a link but it's from Wiki. en.wikipedia.org...

These are not bloodline Jews by and large and have no traceable connection to the Twelve Tribes which is the
definitive definition of an ISRAELITE. Only ISRAELITES would have any debatable historical claims to the land.

Note the area where these converts came from. Why it's the area of Nazi Germany. These are the transplanted
converted to Judaism "Jews" not ethnically Israelites.

Are we clear?

They had about as much legitimate claims on the geographic area of Israel as these people, LoL:

en.wikipedia.org...

edit on 18-11-2012 by PaperbackWriter because: (no reason given)

No, you have dodged another question. We are NOT clear. You have yet to clarify who the real "jews" are. Imagine that...

The only thing I have to say to them is, "Stop! Stop all this conquering! You are just hurting yourselves and others! Stop this useless fighting!"

But they will most likely not listen. I feel sorry them them.

Originally posted by DeadSeraph

Originally posted by PaperbackWriter
reply to post by DeadSeraph

 

I thought you were trying to "school me" with your Washington Times article and here I am having to school you.

I just grabbed a link but it's from Wiki. en.wikipedia.org...

These are not bloodline Jews by and large and have no traceable connection to the Twelve Tribes which is the
definitive definition of an ISRAELITE. Only ISRAELITES would have any debatable historical claims to the land.

Note the area where these converts came from. Why it's the area of Nazi Germany. These are the transplanted
converted to Judaism "Jews" not ethnically Israelites.

Are we clear?

They had about as much legitimate claims on the geographic area of Israel as these people, LoL:

en.wikipedia.org...

edit on 18-11-2012 by PaperbackWriter because: (no reason given)

No, you have dodged another question. We are NOT clear. You have yet to clarify who the real "jews" are. Imagine that...

They are the sons of Jacob. And their bloodlines.

Who the heck did you THINK they were/are?

The Jews have a long history living in Israel, was Jesus not Jewish? Was Jesus not born in a suburb of Israel? Their history in the area is older than the religion Islam itself.

I have sympathy for all who are innocently murdered, but I have no sympathy for the murderous warmongers who want to wipe the Jews off the planet, the Jews bleed the same color blood we all do, they are not monsters, they want peace, they are currently firing at the rocket launchers to remove the threat as retaliation for the rockets fired at them *first*, the Palestinians warmongering 'generals' don't want peace, they only want war against Israel forever for eternity, the Jews just want to be at peace and be protected forever, can't have it both ways.

I agree, the Palestinian warmongers hide behind innocent civilians, of course there are innocent Palestinians, there are also innocent Jews, I can just see the anti-Jewish members thinking 'innocent Jews? hah, impossible', open your eyes. Innocence on both sides are dying, I see the Netanyahu as simply being a man protecting his people, if he rolled over and played dead his people would be extinct.