Israel - Palestine Update Thread. No hate. Just updates.

Originally posted by heineken
after the cease fire everything returns to normal..also this thread slowly dying off

Far from normal in Gaza. Now even the smuggling tunnels have been closed by the bombing on the last day. Because fire has lifted doesn't mean the blockade has. The people in Gaza are being slowly starved.

Right now.

reply to post by intrptr


Food shipments are not restricted by either Egypt or Israel.

reply to post by Zerschmetterling

About the blockade. Here is one view. Thousands of tunnels on the southern border between Egypt and Gaza should give one pause to reflect about how hard it is to get anything in to the people there.

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by Zerschmetterling

 

About the blockade. Here is one view. Thousands of tunnels on the southern border between Egypt and Gaza should give one pause to reflect about how hard it is to get anything in to the people there.

Food is not being smuggled through tunnels,it goes in openly through the passages. Iranians rockets are smuggled.

While looking for updates, I came across this article about the bus that got attacked in Tel Aviv.

reply to post by _Del_

You are kidding right? Google "Gaza Blockade" and you get a lot of information on it. Heres two right off the top...

"Unless the people of Gaza are allowed food and medicine and material to rebuild their blown-up country, then there is no justice until that happens and probably be no peace,” Don DeBar, an anti-war activist and journalist said in an interview with RT.
rt.com...

So many were surprised Wednesday night when the Egyptian-brokered cease-fire included only vague promises to discuss easing restrictions on goods and people at a later date.
www.latimes.com...

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge

Food is not being smuggled through tunnels,it goes in openly through the passages. Iranians rockets are smuggled.

Thousands of tunnels aren't needed to smuggle a few hundred rockets. Most of the rockets are made in Gaza anyway.

They are powered by sugar and pee. So you are saying they need thousands of smuggling tunnels for sugar and Urea Nitrate? The fins and tubes for the rockets are also welded in Gaza from steel pipe and sheet metal. Whats left to smuggle?

Edit: Here, from the horses mouth:

www.jewishpolicycenter.org...

Originally posted by intrptr
The people in Gaza are being slowly starved.

Are they? Sure doesnt look like it...
www.tomgrossmedia.com...

How about showing some proof that they are being starved?

Funny how the Hamas terrorists can smuggle in rockets to attack Israel, yet refuse to do anything about the starving in Gaza. It just shows how much the Hamas terrorists hate the Palestinians in Gaza!

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by ZeroKnowledge

 

Food is not being smuggled through tunnels,it goes in openly through the passages. Iranians rockets are smuggled.

Thousands of tunnels aren't needed to smuggle a few hundred rockets. Most of the rockets are made in Gaza anyway.

They are powered by sugar and pee. So you are saying they need thousands of smuggling tunnels for sugar and Urea Nitrate? The fins and tubes for the rockets are also welded in Gaza from steel pipe and sheet metal. Whats left to smuggle?

Hundreds of tunnels are needed to smuggle thousands of rocket parts. I would like you to make a rocket that can go for more then 50km with piss and sugar.
I will give you this - not only rockets are smuggled. Gaza is under blockade and certain items are not allowed in so tunnels are not used only for weapons.
Food and medication however are allowed in. Just as lots of other thing - like cars for example. Claiming that people are starved because tunnels that are not used to bring in food anyway, were blown up is false.

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by _Del_

 

You are kidding right?

Here are some quotes from the evil Zionist hotbed Al Jazeera:
18 OCT 2012
www.aljazeera.com...

Israel was forced to abandon the land blockade under heavy international pressure after a deadly naval raid on a Gaza-bound international flotilla in May 2010.

Since then, consumer goods have been moving into Gaza from Israel freely, but construction materials are still largely barred from entering, with Israel arguing that the Gaza fighters could use items such as pipes and concrete in attacks on southern Israeli communities.

A naval blockade remains in effect, which Israel says is necessary to prevent weapons smuggling at sea. Israel also heavily restricts exports, further constraining Gaza's economy.

I came across this article about the food, and farming within Gaza.

Since its creation in 1948, Israel has used food and nutrition as a means to entrench its military and territorial occupation of Palestine. While all eyes are turned today to the savage eradication of children and entire families in Gaza through operation "Pillar of Cloud", Israel pursues its long-term goal of decimating the means of food production, livelihoods and the ability of those in Gaza to make economic and political decisions about what they grow and what they eat.

Gaza and the rest of Occupied Palestine is being restructured as an entity where malnutrition is endemic, access to food is denied and people are forced to live under the constant fear of not having enough to eat.

Another article on the border crossings between Gaza and Egypt.

The absence of a channel for goods between Gaza and Egypt, combined with Israeli restrictions on its border crossings with the Strip, has led to the creation of a tunnel system through which goods are smuggled in from Sinai.

It is through these tunnels that rockets, including from Iran, and the infrastructure to launch them, flow.

According to Gisha — Legal Center for Freedom of Movement, more than 47 percent of Gaza’s civilian imports come through these tunnels.

This translates, Gisha said, to 4,100 truckloads per month, compared with 4,700 truckloads that heads into Gaza from Israel.

Most of Gaza’s fuel is also piped in through the tunnels, Gisha said.

www.jpost.com...

Cutting off all goods because they might include a few rockets is paranoid. Israel has the entire place sealed off and surrounded by jets and drones, naval ships and ground armies and yet they can't seem to stop a few rocket launchers somewhere in Gaza.

reply to post by _Del_

...the evil Zionist hotbed Al Jazeera:

You said it, not me.

Those restrictions come and go as a "punishment" for Gaza. I'd say Israel is in a Gaza punishing mood right now, wouldn't you?

Be back to spar later.

Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by intrptr
The people in Gaza are being slowly starved.

Are they? Sure doesnt look like it...
www.tomgrossmedia.com...

How about showing some proof that they are being starved?

Funny how the Hamas terrorists can smuggle in rockets to attack Israel, yet refuse to do anything about the starving in Gaza. It just shows how much the Hamas terrorists hate the Palestinians in Gaza!

You do realize your link is dated 2010?

reply to post by intrptr


haha

The restrictions have definitely gotten stricter and looser from time to time. The article even mentions that cilantro and instant coffee were restricted at one time, but not salmon or low-fat yogurt. But food staples have not been stopped from entering. Egypts "blockade" has been far more restrictive. It doesn't allow anything to cross the border excepting occasional aid packages.

reply to post by schmae


They were heading OUT when they were turned around to head to Israel. They wouldn't be heading back to the US, they would be heading farther west. Not sure where they were heading originally, but I believe they were near Gibraltar when they were turned around.

reply to post by intrptr


Came very close to that same mistake while monitoring the Israeli/Gaza situation. No harm no foul...

Heres one persons view (as a foreigner) what it's like to visit Gaza, a place she likens to a prison. An "open air prison".

loralucero.wordpress.com...

Best synopses I found why the people got shot along the Border...

www.nytimes.com...

reply to post by intrptr


I'm encouraged by the Hamas response.