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reply to post by Raist


If you want a simple solution all you need to do is put some effort into publicly solving the JFK murder in Dealey Plaza ,Texas,this has already been done in cyberspace over and over,on many different sites.The data is all there for the world to see put there anonymouslyy and the last few years overtly and openly--even other countries intelligence agencys offer accurate evidence.

The only way to usurp this group is to do it the legal lawfull American way of old,which is what everyone is looking for.Solving the Kennedy murder will open the door to possibly legally claim the present government to be disenfranchised by proxy,in a fair and peaceful way---however every single one of the guilty and alive parties no matter title or status must be prosecuted and publicly outed to make this real and integrity driven.This is the only way to peacefully and with integrity give the country a chance to right itself from one of the catalysts of all of the wrong they are trying to shake off.

You want truth?You want Liberty?You wish for Peace and Prosperity?Go back to Dallas and take names and numbers and build the biggest gallows in American history on the Whitehouse lawn,and start solving the cold case file.We might as well start by inditing the entire warren commission bar none and all and any people related to in in any way whatsoever both directly and indirectly both tangibly and intangibly.Once the first link of the chain is broken then we will see a new world order all right just not the one everyone theorises over,imagine a truthfull integrity driven new world alliance led by a rejuvinated and a vindicated and proud America.Let none think the Eagle has fallen.

Globally people all are very well aware of the state of affairs surrounding the presidents murder,and also aware of the vast immense amount of data online everywhere proving a conspiracy and substanciating the inditment of the Warren commission on collusion charges or some legal article.This is the cancer and it needs to be surgicly removed in exactly the right lawfull and legal American way.For the love of Murphy this is a divine opportunity it is Karmatic.Donald and his like minded peers and fellow Americans only need focus their combined energy for one week on solving this cold case the right and legal American way and this rebirth of the Eagle would be catalysed as pure as the day it was created-excorcised and reborn.

The current focus is the wrong way to go,it isnt driven by integrity it is driven by vindictiveness---follow the law and go backDallas-- to the root of the problem you percieve today and are trying to engage--you may be surprised to see the problems of today dematerialise when the wrongs of the past are righted lawfully and fully.

And in todays internet or cyberworld the entire world is knowledgable to a very high degree and certainly watching.That is called a world stage--and it is as set as a Harvest Moon.

I myself would suggest that the world is full of surprises and we shouldnt discount president Obama being the single biggest and most influential advocate of this National healing process,that is called leaving a Humanitarian Legacy because a Healed America will lead the world.A legitimate Obama could not turn the other cheek to this type of corrective action based on National Security--the Integrity of the nation is being threatened by old Ghosts that need to be put away forever--in fact maybe Donald Trump should ask him if he can secretly sign a presidential decree based on national security and immediatly do a massive sweep and catalyse the round-up of the conspirators ,combining resources would accomplish this in less than a week and would legitimise both Trump and Obama.And it would Heal a nation to see the Justice they all know is long overdue served up the American way,legal,lawfull and absolutely.

Anything is possible.

Maybe we will see Trump as a vice President one day,you never know ,only the.American People know.

reply to post by one4all

If you want a simple solution all you need to do is put some effort into publicly solving the JFK murder in Dealey Plaza

Can you describe how this could be solved now? I understand the logic of doing it to expose the covert corrupt group that pollutes the government mechanism, however im a realist as well. How coould it be realistically solved now???

reply to post by one4all

we shouldnt discount president Obama being the single biggest and most influential advocate of this National healing process,that is called leaving a Humanitarian Legacy because a Healed America will lead the world.A legitimate Obama could not turn the other cheek to this type of corrective action based on National Security

He is doing everything except what is good for national security and the good of our country. The whole Benghazi episode should have taught you that, but instead Gen Petraeus has to take the hit because the Obama people almost certainly blackmailed him. There has been no healing from Obama. He is driving this country into a Marxist Totalitarian State. Make no mistake though, I think he is the Bilderberg choice because they want war and Global taxes and he is driving the agenda as much as Bush ever did.

I do understand your point about the Kennedy assassination, as that was likely a massive psyops on the American people, but I do not understand what you think Obama has healed. Do you think the islamic world now loves us because Obama is speaking softly to them? Do you think Obamacare is going to heal people by forcing them to purchase something? I also do not understand this supposed Obama healing in relation to the Kennedy assassination.

Then again, if Obama is so healing, why are there people in all 50 states wanting to secede to get away from his Totalitarian policies?
Do you really imagine that OBama himself is not one of the "conspirators"? Or are you one of those people who think it's all the evil Republican Bush family CIA people?

reply to post by itsthetooth

, this is just the republicans crying because they aren't happy with the actions

Here, let me fix that for ya...... this is just the Constitutionalists speaking out because they aren't happy with the actions of an out of control govt veering into Totalitarian Statism and socialist Marxism and out of control govt spending.

reply to post by AthlonSavage


Well you could simply put the top ten internet sites in a hat and pull them out one by one and simply add up the pieces.

Heres a good one,it is straight off of google,listen to the tapes the Polish secret Police or whatever they are called have analysed and deciphered from the open mike recordings,they can evan delineate the caliber of weapons and types of weapons used during the murder,they can also dlineate distances from the mike.We now have the ability to pinpoint the murderers positions,then we simply refer to the millions of online photos of Dealy Plaza that day and identify any and everyone in any way related to those areas.They just missed a shooter in their tapes.because he was in a sound suppressing box or sewer.

Lets try another one,we use the data from the man who has created software that shows the head wound as it is created and can be reverse extrapolated to the exact shooter that fired that particular shot,we corroborate that with the tapes and their evidence and bingo,we have a match that is irrefutable.Then we simply find the man online who is claiming to be a shooter and see if his story fits this evidence.

As i said cyber-space is full of data,so now we can take the many repeated claims that the murderers were told by the main conspirator ordered the shooters to go to all lengths to NOT hit the First lady,for bargaining power in a day like today when this is all coming out in full.Then we again simply take an overhead shot of Dealy Plaza and overlay it with the motorcade and details and from the point of each shot we have evidence of we stop and take a simple ruler and draw angled lines in degrees around her head making sure we immediatly delete for each shot the areas she would be at most risk from,BINGO,we now have triple corroberated data proving the positions of the shooters with each and every shot supported by sound and videoand pictorial evidence and now we can add forensic evidence in the form of the order to not hit her,this is tremendous.never mind the opportunitys to spot evidence of the murderers egressing,now that we absolutely know where they were positioned their assumed anonymity and ability to blend in is gone.

Look it takes ten minutes to discover that one of the shooters was David Vanek -just google his name and he is even on tape and in pictures walking or rather ha ha ha high stepping in a very out of place militray cadence through Dealy Plaza carrying a rifle and dressed in a Police uniform,he is identified by a witness in a deathbed confession.Other evidence shows he may have been in the second floor of the Dal-tex building under the observation of navy personel.I mean this is all internet conjecture and theories but they seem to make some sense when taken together as one big picture.

There is reasonably supported evidence that there was a shooter in a sewer hole that fired the head shot,this can be supported with accoustic and other data including the use of a specialised weapon called a fireball,a shrt high powered weapon that would be weilded in a sewer hole easily and efficiently,again this all can be triple verified and in some cases more than three ways.

i am pretty certain the record will show Connelly looking directly at a shooters position at a moment of panic,directly there because he knows the location of the shooter.

I am not the Donald and I am not a president,I am just a regular person who spends time online reading about interesting things, the same things the entire world reads about freely every day.

if you focused any amount of money and resources this would be signed sealed and delivered in less than 7 days gauranteed.The reality that Obama could enact specific SWEEPING National Security measures if he recieves solid evidence that there was government involvment in Kennedys death,evidence of an unresolved and cancerous conspiracy from the past threatening his present day america and the integrity of the states union .This would maen that he would possibly solve the crime clean out half the government and cia and whoever else was involved and then he would need to pursue another american Election with a fury,the current President would need to succeed if the wrong evidence disenfranchised the present govenment and he would need to run again.but he would forge a legendary legacy wether he won reelection or not and he would bury the birthers because he could fairly lose another election post big event.I think the cold case investigation needs to be called the Biggest Event because one cell of the murders called the action the Big Event.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


I was referring to the potential for Obama and Trump to combine power and resources and solve the Presidents murder and hold those accountable up to the American people and dismantle the artificial legacy left by the conspirators at every levelThis would heal America which is looking like it could fracture.America has a right to claim its national identity back from the grave it was buried on in dallas that day.This is the only catalyst powerful enough bring this great Nation back into the light and out of its darkest period.

I remember Kennedy saying in a speech that he felt a storm coming and that if his god had a place for him that he was ready.There was a Storm--There was Darkness--but I believe that there is a chance for America to shine its light on this great man by solving his murder and allowing him to take his place,he has been ready and waiting all these years.And so has America.

Sola virtus invicta

Virtue Alone is Invincable

reply to post by one4all


Knowing how politicians love to sweep the hard to deal with stuff under the rug, even if lengths were gone to to carry out the analysis you have described, then Obamas investigation of the new evidence would conclude all perpetrators of the crime have passed away and therefore the problem in Government as self corrected itself.

reply to post by one4all


Maybe Obama can heal the attempt on Republican Reagan too ?

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reply to post by AthlonSavage


Many are still alive I am sure,cyberspace has no rugs,and it is precisely the legacy and supporters of this action we also want whomever they may be however deep the river runs.Most importantly under the National Security act special amendments all assets can be seized,America could freeze and seize hundreds of billions of dollars in assets overnight if they could be traced to cause and effect of this murder which is actually has potential to be depending on the evidence a potential act of war.Mafia,Illuminatti,skull and bones,it doesnt matter who you are this one will expose you not destroy you but require that many be given up to survive.

reply to post by one4all


We will have to wait and see what new evidence is offerred. I believe there were multiple shooters. I think however every year that goes by reduces the chances of it being solved. People tend to forget about things after a while and especially if they are distracted with other things, such as bad economy, war in middle east.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


I have read about most of those things and dont think they matter because every single one of them is connected to this murder one way or another,the rats all need a way off the ship,and there isnt one so they need to create one.Hang the old blood or whats left of it out to dry and shut cyberspace up,but thats not enough for cyberspace it wants to reveal everything it has, thats its purpose data sharing.If you just use google you can research all this and follow the money.I am pretty sure all those assets can be seized,hundreds of billions maybe more.Oil,infrstructure,technology,it can all be seized overnight by the Federal gov.

reply to post by AthlonSavage


Quite the opposite,as tech advances we need the live witnesses less and less there is a mountain of pictorial and film data as well as witness statements and many many have come out recently online hundreds some as they near death,many deathbed confessions and wills with statements,and data as well,and all of this is online and in the public domain.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Where would you expect this movement to actually end up? Not in a theoretical way, but real world a month, 6 months or a year from now? Do you see the line to secession being one with any actual chance in the world we all live in?

I see the movement gaining steam but it will take a specific set of conditions and triggers to entice the State legislators to actually draft and ratify the measures. Right now the State governments and their representatives personally benefit from their relationship with the federal government; however, the people of many States do not.
I think the trigger will be the failure or bankruptcy of say a CA or IL who through their liberal policies are so far in debt as to be on the brink even as we speak. Now, here in the heartland we live more frugally, and with less government intervention in our lives. When the federal government swoops in to come to the aid of theses irresponsible and indulgent States and expects the hard working and frugal people of the other responsible States to pony up the new taxes and such to cover their failures we will have the catalyst.

I do not foresee an amicable secession being allowed by the federal government – no. Why? To quote Gandalf – the Dark Lord, does not hare power. Once a law always a law once a tax always a tax. They will not want to give up the tax revenue plain and simple. Of course it will be spun as for the good of the Union, unconscionable dissolution etc.; however, in the end it is simply they won’t want to cede control of and the right to tax more people.

Perhaps it will come to a shooting war or a revolution and perhaps the State(s) will lose but it will serve as a testament to the rest of the world that the federal government of the USA is just as tyrannical and restrictive as Russia ever was.

The US government has in 90% of the cases in recent history sided with the breakaway State in any bid for “freedom” citing the people’s right to self determination. We shall see how much they truly believe in this right when it comes here.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Which national asset would Washington be willing to cede without fighting for it? California, Arizona, Oregon or Washington? Your talking about the produce supply for a good % of not only the United States but % of the world beyond.

First of all food production is not a national asset food is produced by people like me who buy the land, take the risk, work hard and run a business. The federal government neither operates nor owns any farms or agricultural enterprises.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
California is also the bulk of West Coast Naval facilities and Aerospace.

Again, Aerospace industries are not owned by the government but by private corporations. The US can compete with the breakaway State to gain entice them to move to a member State with favorable legislation. This competition will be good for the economy of both the US and the breakaway States.

Naval bases, are a legitimate concern but in the case of a lawful, amicable and non-violent secession an easy one to solve. The US can lease these bases from the breakaway State just like they do in other countries with which we have mutual defense clauses and treaties. (I don’t see the insolvent CA breaking away BTW they have too much to gain from a nanny US government.) The presence of the base will boost the local economy of the new nation and reinforce the cooperative but separate nature of their new relationship. A status of forces agreement for dealing with “foreign soldiers” would be easy to hash out. If we can hash one out with Iraq certainly two “American” cultures could do so.

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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
How about the Heartland? Colorado, Kansas, Iowa or Missouri? Now we're into the Wheat and breadbasket for the same large % of America being fed in addition to the hog markets of Missouri and some rather..long term..capital investments in places like Manhattan Kansas and Whiteman AFB, or a certain sector of Colorado.

Again, food is grown by individuals and is not a national asset. Land bases would have to be handled much like joint property in a divorce proceeding, with an arbitrator finding middle ground in the equitable distribution of the equipment while the facilities of course would go to the new nation. The federal government has paid for the equipment of course but the people of the State paid for a portion of it though taxation. If the breakup is amicable a legal process could be agreed upon.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
The Gulf Coast and Texas perhaps? Err... That guts a fair % of Washington's take and strategic supply for oil and products based on it as well as revenue from its producing and refinement in those states.
The US owns no oil companies nor their means of production. If they want to compete to get the business of these now foreign suppliers they would have to create the favorable tax and economic conditions to do gain it.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
When it gets beyond the ideal of it and to nuts and bolts, I can't see a possibility at any level. It's just not workable. Only California and Texas even have independent economic and military capability to stand alone and not become a 3rd world economy in debt 500% to the IMF in short order..

No one says that a State or more importantly States won’t have problems. All fledgling nations do. We did and got assistance from France and other nations. I certainly think there are many nations who would gladly deal with break-away States. My prediction is that the economy in the new nation(s) would boom as businesses and people fled the US. Rural people in all the areas surrounding the blue urban strongholds will flock to places where they can live with others who share their values.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
It's kinda silly to look this far into it, but people are really signing their names right on up at the White House itself in a nation ...(this is ATS still isn't it?)... that has a real fixation on calling it's own citizens terrorists.
We all really expect nothing at all will come of this and the names won't form a brand new list of it's very own for DHS and Justice to keep an eye on?

I don’t fear their lists…let them come it will reinforce the fact that they are tyrants. As soon as my daughter reaches the age of majority I intend to take off my gloves and become more active. Pledging as did our forefathers, my life fortune and sacred honor to the cause of liberty and self determination.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Here, let me fix that for ya...... this is just the Constitutionalists speaking out because they aren't happy with the actions of an out of control govt veering into Totalitarian Statism and socialist Marxism and out of control govt spending.

That depends on how you look at things. I feel we are and have been in a state of slavery and oppression from employers.

Im with the posters who say that the right is really pissy and mad.

All you have to do is read ATS to see. All the usual Fox sheep are extra pissy since the election. From wanting free stuff to rigged voting machines to Kenya to the sky is falling June Cleaver.

It's sour grapes and nothing more.

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So if all 50 states want to secede than they can all get together under another name. Got to make up a new name, the old one has a bad reputation in the world. How about The New World Nation or something like that. The governing body can be the New World Order. I guess that name will never get accepted.

reply to post by rickymouse

how 'bout the "Free States of America" ??

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
There is NO debate to what is spelled out in plain black letter law......and if this hasn't crossed it already, it's on the RAZOR edge of it. I personally have about no respect for people who would egg on idealists to do something this ill conceived.

Title 18, Chapter 115 - United States Federal Code on Sedition / Subversion / Insurrection and Treason

None of the laws you cited forbid the formation of groups to lawfully and though non-violent means advocate the dissolution of the Union. They prohibit armed action and funding (suport, aid and comfort) those who engage in such.

One key element in all the laws mentioned are "by violence" "take up arms against" etc. These are overt and conscious acts not discussion and debate - or more directly "free speech".

The right to legally challenge the government or to exercise our right to self determination are not treason. To do so while armed and to create an "army" to fight the government is.

The only way there will be a shooting war over secession is if the tyrants in DC refuse to respect the will of the people and the rights of the States to self determination.

reply to post by Golf66

The right to legally challenge the government or to exercise our right to self determination are not treason. To do so while armed and to create an "army" to fight the government is.

The only way there will be a shooting war over secession is if the tyrants in DC refuse to respect the will of the people and the rights of the States to self determination.

I will agree entirely with your above statement. The only way the secessionist movement, as it appears to be right now, would turn violent is if the authorities overreacted and did something stupid. Look who we're talking about though? The FBI, DHS and ATF among other examples of past restraint haven't been the best for being stopped on the letter of the law for at least a decade or more. (Waco and Ruby Ridge both happened under questionable justifications too... )

In fact, under the FISA court system of secret hearings for secret search warrants and more still very much in full effect, I'd wonder if people would even be told themselves why they were being arrested at the time.

If all the talk about Uncle Sam being almost rogue in it's behavior and disrespect for the rule of law is actually valid, then there can be no safety in pointing to that same law as cover in the hopes it will stop TPTB and those who wrote the law itself, right?