State's Secession is a Viral Meme. You can't leave!

Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
reply to post by Ahabstar

 

Is it a requirement of moderators to be extremely ignorant?

I'm sure you're not aware that red states suck away a lot of the tax dollars from the blue states.

Obama Supporters Subsidize Romney Supporters

Blue States Subsidize Red States Studies show that states that elect Democrats contribute the most in federal taxes relative to what they consume in government services. Conversely, many states that elect Republicans contribute the least in taxes relative to the services they consume. This is true even though many Democratic states contain large, poor, urban populations of color.

With the exception of New Mexico and Virginia, 8, count the, EIGHT of the most tax-dependent states are Red states (Mississippi, Alaska, Louisiana, West Virginia, North Dakota, Alabama, South Dakota and Kentucky).

Please do your research next time.

Also, if the most tax-dependent states wish to secede, they'll lose quite a bit of money.

Not a very bright move, eh?

If Louisiana kept 100% of its oil revenue which has been stolen from it by the federal government, it not only wouldnt need a penny of federal "welfare", it would be in the black. It would also not cater to socialism, and likely allow any of its citizens who didnt want to work to go elsewhere.

Not only that, it controls the busiest port system in the world, is a major hub for the intracoastal waterway and controls the mouth of the Mississippi. If it could control its corrupt politicians, it could be financially fine. If it formed an alliance with Texas, the other oil producer, it would be even better off.
Please do your research next time....

reply to post by pierregustavetoutant


Yeah, but the small-brained, whiney, "I'm going to run away" crybabies are about to have a little gobsmacking commupance. By indicating a desire to have their state secede, they have indicated their unwillingness to continue to be a citizen of the United States. That intention allows an immediate acceleration of all mortgages and other debt instruments. So, sign the petition, and get foreclosed upon. Suddenly you're citizenshipless, homeless, no passport from any existing country, assuming it will take Texnobrainistan at least a year to gain enough recognition to allow recognition of passports,, and cashless, since banks have severe restrictions on allowinf cash to cross border Good luck with that scenario.

Originally posted by F4guy
reply to post by pierregustavetoutant

 

Yeah, but the small-brained, whiney, "I'm going to run away" crybabies are about to have a little gobsmacking commupance. By indicating a desire to have their state secede, they have indicated their unwillingness to continue to be a citizen of the United States. That intention allows an immediate acceleration of all mortgages and other debt instruments. So, sign the petition, and get foreclosed upon. Suddenly you're citizenshipless, homeless, no passport from any existing country, assuming it will take Texnobrainistan at least a year to gain enough recognition to allow recognition of passports,, and cashless, since banks have severe restrictions on allowinf cash to cross border Good luck with that scenario.

Be careful. Your brown shirt is showing.

reply to post by F4guy


Yet Texas has the majority of the gas refineries in the country, not to mention that it is where nuclear war heads are disassembled and reconstitued, so if it did seperate from the US, it would start out with being nucleared armed.

reply to post by sdcigarpig


Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi provide a huge amount of the oil and gas that the nation uses. They would also control the mouth and lower portion of the Mississippi river and a huge chunk of the intracoastal. Dealing direct with oil companies, instead of going through the middle man who steals the vast majority of royalties, would put them in a much better financial position, especially since they wouldn't follow socialist forms of government and have unsustainable domestic spending.
I don't think the folks who the think the blue states would be better off have done much thinking on this matter.

Not that it matters because it won't happen. But it is definitely a worthy call to arms to reinstate the 10th Amendment, or the Bill of Rights in general.

Originally posted by sdcigarpig
reply to post by F4guy

 

Yet Texas has the majority of the gas refineries in the country, not to mention that it is where nuclear war heads are disassembled and reconstitued, so if it did seperate from the US, it would start out with being nucleared armed.

Go! Leave! Good riddance!

A New Thread has all 50 states with petitions. Geez. I guess 20 wasn't enough, and someone had to start the other 30.

Perhaps you should visit this link: Treason, Sedition, and Subversive Activities, which is part of the US Code, Chapter 115.

10 years in jail for sedition. 20 years for advocating. Not good.

reply to post by Druid42

If the petitions were calling for the overthrow of the government or open rebellion that would lead to a civil war, then such laws could come into play. However, based off of the current administrations view and its legal interpertation and that of international law, if it were to go to a civil war, then other treaties would come into play and it would have to be settled domestically, and ultimately the treatment of all of those involved would require oversite by different world leaders, of whom some do not favor the policies of the government.

reply to post by F4guy


While you are saying go and leave, what many do not see is the ramifications of said actions and the mess that it will make. Be it for good or bad, the problems with this are staggering as many of the states economies are so intertwined with each other it could be far more worse than either side imagines. While many would hold those exact same sentiments as you do, did any one actually think about what would happen?

If we think things are bad now, to do such, would have a far more drastic effect on the US economy, so Texas may go, but then again, how about those gas prices, as now there would be an increase fee at the pump for such. And what about imports from other countries or even exports, are many so willing to pay the additional costs for such, as the ports would have to impose additional taxes and fees for use. And then there is the other costs, such as for energy and other items, including medications and other innovations that would require something from a state that produces it locally.

Ultimately if anything this should be a wake up call to the federal government that the people are tired of a government that is no longer representative of the people, and that special interest have run roughshod for far too long. Many people have to live on a budget, yet the people in the halls of power either are choosing to ignore that fact or outright overspending and thinking it is ok to do such. And what happens when those debts are due, borrow and hope? That did not get us very far so far, and is causing more and more problems.

And then there is the geopolitical aspect of all of this, many countries would be circling like vultures waiting to strike, the world is getting to be a dangerous place, and such has to be handled delicately, lest more radical elements decides that a more direct approach is needed.

reply to post by pierregustavetoutant


Reality's a cruel mistress, isn't it?

Perhaps those who you label as "brownshirts" have the right idea?

Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
reply to post by pierregustavetoutant

 

Reality's a cruel mistress, isn't it?

Perhaps those who you label as "brownshirts" have the right idea?

The reality that liberals are freedom hating scum who are the enemy of everything this nation was built on and stood for? Yes that is certainly true.
Ha.
Texas and Louisiana not only control the resources and means of transporting them, they also produce a hugely disproportionate amount of soldiers in the regular armed forces, not even counting their large national guard (ie state militia forces).
Your computer might be a tough place to spout from, but 99% of people bred down here know how to use firearms in an expert manner and they strongly believe in protecting their neighbors, family and friends (a concept alien to the communists in the Northeast)

Bunch of friggin leeches. Sheesh.
The blue states will be nothing more than zombies standing in bread lines in a very short manner. A country boy can survive. Look it up

reply to post by Druid42


Again, your assessment is legal nonsense. Violence/force is required before the mentioned penalties may be levied against anyone. And, as we know, force is used by corrupt government to control what it has lost a grip on, so the criminals are running the show anyway. However, peaceful and/or litigated secession is entirely lawful and moral.

Personally, I do not advocate secession at this time due to my lack of trust that our culture is well defined or mature enough to handle such a serious responsibility without fracturing into failure. More so, I do not believe that most people are patient or diligent enough to establish a more peaceful and productive government than the current racket that has set itself above us and the bonds of constitutional governing.

I pointed out that you are lying in my previous post to you. I do believe that you should either define how your hyperbolic freak-outs are valid or cease them.
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Originally posted by Dasher
reply to post by Druid42

 

Your assessment that the Declaration is not "legal" is nonsense. Self-evident truths do not need to be authorized. There is no argument against this truth that is anything more than abusive shepherding or evidence of Stockholm Syndrome.

Secession is a civil and legally considerate way of expressing a natural right. But, just as with the American Civil War, the Federalists would be the first to resort to violence while feigning fault to be upon the Secessionists. Such is the way of the "criminal that claims to be the victim" (unwise shepherds).

However, your admonishment is accurate and I concur; Offensive violence is entirely inhuman and whoever initiates large scale violent conduct should be stamped out of this world.

The Declaration is a reference point, however, I don't think the Supreme Court would ever rely upon for making a decision. Sure, it may influence, but they must rule on clear precedent, and the Constitution, not the Declaration, is the Law.

The whole system is corrupt at this point anyway. I think the point is moot, save for an exercise in futility.

THe only state that has a chance at disolving itself from the union is Calif and that will only be after it asks DC for a state bailout and DC will do the dumping not the other way around.