UFO Light Beam Cases.

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Originally posted by gguyx

You know how photos, films, etc., have a tendency to 'disappear'. It would be a shame to loose it without it having being seen by millions of folks. If it's that good, that is.

Yes my interest is certainly piqued and I'd love to see the footage, I also completely agree with you about things having a tendency to go missing (link). Hadn't really heard of Ray Stanford before but looks like he's been quite a busy chap, here's one of his reports from the NICAP website.

In this paper we shall examine specific instances of instrumentally monitored and recorded transient phenomena in UFO events. Study of the recorded effects shall be taken as a possible 'window' into understanding something of the physics of the phenomena and/or objects.

Instrumented Sensing, Recording, & Documentation Of Transient Phenomena In UFO Events

Originally posted by gguyx

Have you looked up Robert Schroeder and his take on the ufo and light cases?

Not yet mate but he certainly might be onto something when it comes to light beams bending towards UFOs - the paragraph you posted below really does make some interesting points and there are two reports there which seem pretty relevant.

He bases this notion on copious research and study and observed effects on water, trees, time distortions, even light beams bending towards UFOs

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Had a look round to see if I could find his research on E-book or pdf but alas no.

Solving The UFO Enigma: How Modern Physics is Revealing the Technology of UFOs

Cheers.

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Tahnya86, thanks for the reply and I suppose the question about where these objects originate from is the biggest one of the lot - there's another UFO light beam case below as described in an official document from the Naval Security Group Command (COMNAVSECGRU) which describes a strange object emitting a bluish green beam of light - I suppose it could be some kind of bizarre natural phenomenon but it does sound extremely odd.

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APRIL 30, 1979

AT 220032 AUG 15 OBSVD BRIGHT WHITE LIGHT APPEARING AT BEARING 02E (TRUE NORTH), ELEVATION APPROX 15 DEGREES POSIT 6F MULLER 23 17 82 19[?]. DURING THE FIRST MIN OF OBSERVATION THE LIGHT WAS PULSATING OR FLUCTUATING IN BRIGHTNESS AT APPROX ONE SECOND INTERVALS. FOR THE NEXT TWO MINS OF OBSERVATION THE LIGHT BEGAN PULSATING CONCENTRIC RINGS OF LIGHT WHICH FLOWED FROM THE CENTRAL (S) SOURCE IN A RIPPLING, SHIMMERING FASHION DIMINISHING IN BRIGHTNESS AS THEY DREW FURTHER AND FURTHER AWAY FROM THE ORIGINATING SOURCE. DURING THE FOURTH MINS OF OBSERVATION A BLUISH GREEN BEAM OF LIGHT APPEARED FROM THE CENTRAL CORE OF THE CONFIGURATION, EXTENDING OUTWARD AND DOWNWARD TO THE LEFT AT AN ANGLE OF APPROX 45 DEGREES, AND REACHING TO THE FADE OUT POINT OF THE RADIATING RINGS OF LIGHT. APPROX FIVE MINUTES AFTER THE APPEARANCE OF THE BLUISH-GREEN BEAM (SIMILAR IN APPEARANCE TO A SEARCHLIGHT BEAM), THE RADIATIVE CIRCLES OF LIGHT DISAPPEARED, LEAVING ONLY THE CORE OF LIGHT AND THE COLORED BEAM. FOLLOWING THE DISAPEARANCE OF THE CIRCLES, THE BEAM SEEMED TO RETRACT TOWARDS THE CENTRAL CORE, GROWING BROADER AND STOUTER AS IT RETRACTED. FINALLY, THE BEAM AND CORE SEEMED TO FORM INTO A NEBULOUS CLOUD-SHAPED MASS, WHICH DRIFTED SOUTH ON THE WIND, FADING FROM VIEW AFTER APPROX 14 MINS. DURING THE EVENT, THE FOLLOWING ATMOSPHERIC DATA WAS ACCUMULATED: BAROMETER 29.95, TEMPERATURE - 83 DEGREES DRY 178 DEGREES WET. VISIBILITY EXCELLENT, FOUR TENTHS CLOUD COVER (STRATUS AND CUMULUS) WIND E X N.S. AT 12 KTS, ELECTRICAL STORM FORMING OVER IMMEDIATE AREA OF CITY OF HAVA

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Cheers.

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Karl 12, here's a short piece on Schroeder:

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“This is the first time that science may be able to explain the physics of UFOs,” said Schroeder In his presentation, he explained a few common observations about UFO sightings and how they may be explained with modern physics.”
  First, UFOs appear to have magnetic fields. Many people have reported wildly spinning compasses in the presence of UFOs. Schroeder believes that Kaluza-Klein gravitons, a type of particle that is thought to exist, create micro black holes around the UFO, giving it a magnetic field.
  Second, UFO reports from around the world have described discs with an “attractive gravity.” In other words, objects and even bodies of water are actually drawn toward the UFO. Schroeder feels this can also be explained by Kaluza-Klein gravitons, which would attract objects with a gravity of their own.
  Third, Schroeder points to the observations of Paul Hill, a NASA scientist in the 1950s and 60s. Hill observed that there was evidence of gamma rays, x-rays and high frequency light emissions around UFOs. Schroeder explains that the decay of the aforementioned micro black holes would cause Hawking Radiation to be emitted.


Interview of Schroeder on Kate Valentine Show - 22 June 2012 -

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This is pretty interesting although I've come across many hoex people play before

Originally posted by gguyx
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Karl 12, here's a short piece on Schroeder:

towers.wpi.edu...

Interview of Schroeder on Kate Valentine Show - 22 June 2012 -

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Much appreciated my friend - will certainly be digging through those links

There's another pretty fascinating report below where multiple separately located witnesses describe seeing a UFO 'drawing electricity' over a power station in Trujillo Alto, Puerto Rico, March, 1991 - some of the witness testimony makes for extremely interesting reading and the reason I bring it up is that town residents also reported the blades of their ceiling fans were 'bending upwards' as the UFO passed overhead - I think Mr Schroeder would be intrigued by that aspect.

The incident also contains a light beam report but there's plenty of other strange testimony found at the Prufon link.

A UFO draws electricity from a sub station in Trujillo Alto, Puerto Rico

".he could see for several minutes a strange green phosphorescent beam of light that was coming down from the sky in a 45 degrees angle towards the substation. The light beam was coming from the northwest. "It was like a powerful flashlight beam of light coming from the sky,

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Cheers.

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Another great find, Karl. You keep adding and filling holes in my sightings. I appreciate that. The PR flap of a dozen years ago or so was one of the biggest. And though it's largely quieted down, there are still some going on.

A side thought I was having was that since these craft are able to plunge into the water and operate at high speeds under the water*, that they might not have much problem with entering the seabed itself, and by extension, mountains such as El Yunque. This leads me to wonder if these objects are indigenous to the lithosphere, or crustal zones. If they are an ancient creature, whether from here or elsewhere, it might make sense that since they have survived the various catastrophes that have befallen our own fair planet that they may have evolved in a lithosphere type of environment. Or not. The 'Lithians'. Has a nice ring to it.

* Water is a liquid but can behave as a solid to which anyone who has ever done a belly-flop can attest. Or see the incredible force of a tsunami.

What got me interested in the UFO phenomenon was something that happened to a close family member and their best friend back in the mid-90s.

They were walking through a local park late one night, going to their friend's house to sleep over. As they were walking around the lake, they both felt (more than heard) a deep humming sensation. When they looked above the lake, they were shocked to see a large black triangle with three lights beneath it, just hovering there, making no sound. The family member immediately passed out from shock, and their friend ended up dragging them away a good distance before they snapped out of it. The next day, they both confirmed what had happened. There's no way either of them were lying. They were both visibly disturbed by what had happened. And for what it's worth, it's a man-made lake, but it is populated with fish. They also both reported missing time.

They didn't say much about any special light properties, other than the triangle having had lights beneath it. But the stories in this thread mentioned the humming sensation, and they definitely experienced that.

Originally posted by gguyx

A side thought I was having was that since these craft are able to plunge into the water and operate at high speeds under the water*, that they might not have much problem with entering the seabed itself, and by extension, mountains such as El Yunque. This leads me to wonder if these objects are indigenous to the lithosphere, or crustal zones. If they are an ancient creature, whether from here or elsewhere, it might make sense that since they have survived the various catastrophes that have befallen our own fair planet that they may have evolved in a lithosphere type of environment. Or not. The 'Lithians'. Has a nice ring to it.

That's a pretty thought provoking concept mate and the 'lithians' certainly has a nice ring to it, I've always been pretty fond of the crypto-terrestrial idea but I've never thought of objects travelling through the seabed itself -there's a pretty in-depth interview here where the late Mac Tonnies brings up certain aspects of the CTH and the idea that 'intelligent non-humans indigenous to planet Earth have adapted to our numerical superiority by developing a surprisingly robust technology' is a truly fascinating one.

Originally posted by Brighter

What got me interested in the UFO phenomenon was something that happened to a close family member and their best friend back in the mid-90s.

Brighter, thanks for sharing the sighting mate and I've read that object description (and reported humming noise) in quite a few other reports as well -British researcher Omar Fowler is said to be a pretty knowledgeable chap when it comes to flying triangle reports and he makes some interesting comments about them in this interview -there's also a completely bizarre triangle light beam case from the mid nineties recounted here along with some questions about the 'stealth technology hypothesis' if you've not seen them already.

As for other UFO light beam cases, Bill Chalker has posted more about the subject below and also brings up an interesting Chinese military case I'd never heard of.

SOLID LIGHTS & the neglected UFO SCIENCE legacy

“Apart from many other cases I was also drawn towards a Chinese event I located that occurred in 1998 at a desert Air Force base, involving a Chinese Air Force F-6 pursuit. The possibly striking confirmation of Zhao Xu, who is described as a famous Chinese Defence expert in unmanned aircraft, as one of the various high level witnesses, who mentioned "Surprisingly these two light beams of light were not as we normally see light beams, as has been according to the distance and spread, but as two light-emitting entities, sticking out from the bottom of the UFO ending on a certain length. At least today we have not got control of this sort of light technology." Radar detection was also involved. Given this comment was made by a defence specialist I suspect some Chinese military science investigation and research since then.

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Cheers.

Pretty crazy UFO case from Costa Rica in January, 1980 involving multiple police officers, EM effects and light beams:

The San José metropolitan area was hit by a powerful UFO wave in mid-January 1980. Official documents from the Ministry of Public Security, obtained by the Vilchez brothers, acknowledged that engines and radio equipment of police cars malfunctioned during the UFO sightings. This is popularly known in Ufology as “electromagnetic effect” or EME.


Official Report:

A signed report by Sergeant Elias Sibaja to Col. Marino Donato, director of the Costa Rican Radio Patrol Unit, described the incident [see document]. Sgt. Sibaja was on his patrol shift in the suburban city of Desamparados at 1:35 a.m. on January 17, 1980 when, he wrote in his report, “the car engine stopped and the lights went off; suddenly I saw many multi-colored lights and was able to observe through the windshield a gigantic disc, from which came all the lights; with great astonishment, I realized that it was an unidentified flying object which stopped over us for several seconds and then continued west, searching the side of Alajuelita.

Only after the UFO reached a certain distance from the car did the radio function and Sgt. Sibaja was able to communicate with other units. “Seconds later the engine worked again and several police vehicles reported they were seeing those lights on the hills of San Jesucito de Alajuelita,” continued Sibaja’s report, “so the task of locating such craft was undertaken by all the vehicles, but it was impossible to achieve. A strong interference was heard on the [radio] network.”

The 1980 UFO wave was just starting. At 2:30 a.m. on January 19, police Captain Daniel Arias saw an object in the sky 300 meters above the ground, with intermittent green, yellow and blue lights. The whole country was affected by a power blackout shortly after midnight on January 21. Another memo by a police Sergeant reported that during the blackout, “I observed an unidentified flying object in space, a very powerful beam of light descending towards the ground.”

Yet another police officer from Belén informed his precinct had received that night a report from a “Mr. Rodriguez, who saw the descent of a luminous object with flashing white and red colored beams; the light was so strong that it didn’t leave a shadow and illuminated everything totally. The object had a crackling noise, making noise as it emitted these beams; it was like turning on a TV set without the image and noise on the screen, but it was a strong noise. Mr. Rodriguez was coming from Puntarenas and his truck lights went off about 100 meters from his house.” Other witnesses saw the phenomenon too, and the police officer added that experts from “the power plants in Belén were unable to explain the blackout since everything was working perfectly.”

Costa Rica UFO Dossier Part 2

Hadn't read this thread before, another good one Karl12

Its interesting i was thinking about this as I read and wondered, what if the beam isnt what we think it is? ie it serves a practical purpose rather than a direct one. By that I mean given how things like EM effects are often reported during or being within the beams and such effects like EM and other radiation are invisible then what if the light beam served the same purpose as a laser pointer on a gun, indicating to the user whats within the region of effect of an otherwise invisible effect.

Say if you where picking something up using a force or you needed to move into an area and maintain your position within this force, but what if this force is typically invisible... flood the same area with a volumetric form of light that is easily discernible in color as a guide.

Probably not, but just something that popped into my head I dont think ive seen anyone ever mention, makes sense to me. Granted if it was true it would be a little like finding out racing strips and the color red don't actually make your car go faster.

Edit:- Could also indicate regions of safety or hazard, given some of the UFO's that appear to have solid light coming out of them during flight in regions you'd think or assume could be engines ie keep all appendages out of *insert color here* light beams when in operation.

Originally posted by BigfootNZ

Its interesting i was thinking about this as I read and wondered, what if the beam isnt what we think it is? ie it serves a practical purpose rather than a direct one. By that I mean given how things like EM effects are often reported during or being within the beams and such effects like EM and other radiation are invisible then what if the light beam served the same purpose as a laser pointer on a gun, indicating to the user whats within the region of effect of an otherwise invisible effect.

Hey mate certainly some food for thought there and although it's not technically a light beam case your comments did put me in mind of this report where police officers described how the lights on a UFO where flashing in synchronization with electrical systems -I suppose all we can do is look at the raw data and speculate but there definitely seems to be something going on.

Another case where there seems a UFO has an effect on electrical systems:

Two deputy sheriffs, called to a home on the Pacific Beach yesterday, said they found a burglar alarm ringing in tune with the lights on an unidentified flying object hovering over the ocean.

Deputies Gary Talesfore and Blair Foster reported they witnessed the UFO lights while the burglar alarm on a food freezer rang in synchronization with the lights.

“The UFO disappeared shortly, and the burglar alarm stopped ringing, the deputies said.

* Seattle, Washington. Seattle Post-Intelligencer. 7 December 1973.

Some UFO Notes By Loren E. Gross

Bill Chalker makes some further comments below about solid light cases and the book “UFOs and Government' -also brought up is the Red Bluff police case where, like some other accounts on this thread, the officers reported the light beam didn't seem to diffuse properly and actually had an 'end' to it - also thought some good points were made about Dr James E. Mcdonald who actually tried to objectively investigate the case instead of just performing some 'myopic debunking exercise' (as a footnote the official sceptical explanation for this one is hilarious).


Ebook:

UFOs and Government - page 295


Solid light in action:

The book “UFOs and Government” alludes to several lost opportunities to focus on enduring unexplained attributes of the UFO phenomenon. Unfortunately if your only insight into the UFO phenomenon was the typical debunking official military response revealed time and time again by their documents and histories, you would miss these strange and possibly breakthrough attributes of the UFO phenomenon.

A striking example of this is the fascinating 1960 Red Bluff California case where official attitudes caused a UFO witness, a highway patrol officer, to not initially describe the “light beam projected by the object seemed like what would be described today, as a big, fat laser beam. That is, it did not spread out or diffuse “properly.” But worse than that, the beam seemed to have an “end" to it,” wrote Mike Swords. Here was a remarkable example of what many researchers have called “solid light” in action. In writing this Dr. Swords touched upon a critical issue. He highlighted that Dr. James McDonald did manage to draw out this remarkable detail, because he was actually interested in what the witnesses reported, rather than conducting a myopic debunking exercise. Genuine scientific skepticism, driven by a desire to question and carefully investigate an experience can potentially yield scientific breakthroughs. We now know that there are many such cases of “this peculiar sawed-off light” or “solid light.”

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Cheers.

Originally posted by karl 12

SOLID LIGHTS & the neglected UFO SCIENCE legacy

“Apart from many other cases I was also drawn towards a Chinese event I located that occurred in 1998 at a desert Air Force base, involving a Chinese Air Force F-6 pursuit. The possibly striking confirmation of Zhao Xu, who is described as a famous Chinese Defence expert in unmanned aircraft, as one of the various high level witnesses, who mentioned "Surprisingly these two light beams of light were not as we normally see light beams, as has been according to the distance and spread, but as two light-emitting entities, sticking out from the bottom of the UFO ending on a certain length. At least today we have not got control of this sort of light technology." Radar detection was also involved. Given this comment was made by a defence specialist I suspect some Chinese military science investigation and research since then.

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Correction in data for this one:

* Correction: following further research and more detailed translations the quote above referring to "two light-emitting entities" comes from General Li the PLAAF missile base commander in the Badain Jaran Desert in Lanzhou province. Major General Zhao Xu witnessed the UFO incident. It was General Li's pilots who undertook the attempted aerial pirsuits and close up observations.

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karl12, whats your relation to the professor from biggeststtudy blog in your link ?

Originally posted by milomilo

karl12, whats your relation to the professor from biggeststtudy blog in your link ?

Hola Milo, appreciate the direct question mate and there isn't one - lots of respect for the Professor though and he seems to be one of the few UFO researchers out there providing consistent (and extremely interesting) information.

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Originally posted by karl 12

Originally posted by milomilo

karl12, whats your relation to the professor from biggeststtudy blog in your link ?

Hola Milo, appreciate the direct question mate and there isn't one - lots of respect for the Professor though and he seems to be one of the few UFO researchers out there providing consistent (and extremely interesting) information.

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for a moment i thought you are the professor =D because you both discuss UFO in mature and level headed way without judgement to anyone.. UFO research and enthusiast need more people like you both =D

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Well thanks for the extremely kind words mate although I don't deserve to be compared to Dr Michael Swords as the man is a bit of a legend -you're not wrong about attempting to be objective and courteous though and I suppose being the opposite rarely gets you anywhere.

All I've read is the news report for this Brazilian light beam case from the village of Aracariguama in 1946 so I don't know if you're aware of any more info but it doesn't sound like a very pleasant one as it states the victim's nose and ears fell off!

Dr Irineu Jose Da Silverira / Joan Prestes Filho:

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Cheers.

UFO light beam article - links to reports:

Ufo's appear to be able to control energy in forms that are not well understood in our time. One type of energy that is often observed is an intense beam of light which is emitted from a ufo. The purpose of these beams is still a mystery. One might venture to guess that they are used for scanning purposes, or perhaps as a means to tap sources of energy that are deep within the earth itself in quartz veins.

Recently a man on a walk in rural Pennsylvania encountered a ufo in the woods that was pulsating brilliant red and white colored lights. As he watched in disbelief, the ufo emitted a beam of light that he described as being " a very intense brilliant blue-white light that was emitted from the bottom of the object". This light beam went from the ufo all the way to the ground. He describes it as such: " This beam did not diffuse with distance, but was a tight, bright beam from top to bottom."

There is another account that occured in the early 1980's made by four boys from Vancouver, B.C. These boys recalled an encounter with a ufo as they walked along a road near their subdivision. This ufo was also flashing multi-colored lights and was moving slowly above the tree line of a wooded area. Suddenly, a blue beam shot from the ufo and went directly between two of the boys. All four boys dove for cover into a nearby ditch until the ufo left..

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UFO light beam report taken from the Civilian Saucer Investigation bulletin issues (link):

The May, 1953 issue contained a most unusual one from Mrs. A. M. King, of P.O. Box 2162, Nairobi, Africa. While enroute to Capetown on the S.S. Llandovery Castle at the end of June, 1947, Mrs. King observed a spectacular sighting. It occurred at approximately 11 P.M. The object was sighted as the ship was going through the Straits of Madagascar.

"We noticed a particularly bright star. It was traveling very fast and approached the ship. Suddenly; a searchlight appeared which flashed a strong beam of light on the water within 50 yards of the ship. It descended, its beam shortening and becoming brighter as it neared the water, and the next instant there was no more light, but an object appeared, apparently made of steel and shaped like a cigar cut at the rear end. It remained in the air about 20 feet above the sea, parallel with the Llandovery Castle, and traveling in the same direction.

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USA intelligence report involving multiple Police witnesses and a UFO 'emitting rays' from the USSR in 1991 (even though the U.S. Government deny taking any interest whatsoever in the UFO subject since 1969).

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