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Message to GOP care of Rachel Maddow
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I want to be clear that the commentary Maddow made here, imho, is directed at factions of the GOP, not the entire GOP. The GOP can become a
constructive party again, but they are not that now - they are destructive because of these factions. Every one of her points applies to some faction
of either the GOP or right-wing media. The only way we'll get anything done in this country with our current system is through compromise - the
current GOP as a whole has shown it's not willing to do so because of these far-right factions, so they need to take a good hard look in the mirror
and redefine who they are and what they stand for.
And this is not to say there aren't bad seeds on the left - but if this election has told us anything, it's that folks are tired of the far right. The conservatives had a perfect opportunity to take over - history shows us that incumbents lose in a down economy - but failed to do so and the above is why.
And this is not to say there aren't bad seeds on the left - but if this election has told us anything, it's that folks are tired of the far right. The conservatives had a perfect opportunity to take over - history shows us that incumbents lose in a down economy - but failed to do so and the above is why.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Originally posted by HappyBunny
Including ED drugs. I haven't yet heard a single man howling in rage and despair that he has to pay for another man's Viagra or Cialis, or that they get those drugs for free while we have a co-pay for birth control even if we have insurance.
Well that is a drug for a medical problem...the ability to get pregnant is not a medical problem..may be social one...
WHAT???? What kind of Neanderthal actually believes that?
No, wait, not Neanderthal. That's an insult to Neanderthals everywhere.
There is a lot of other preventive care out there too, should it all be free for everyone? It is not cheap BTW...
Absolutely it should be and will be free for everyone.
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edit on 11/8/2012 by HappyBunny because: Fix quote tags
Originally posted by Dreine
Not all Republicans are religious... I'm not. I believe in a God, but I think the church has got it very wrong.
If we get rid of all the Republican talking heads... Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter, Gallagher, etc,., then the same should apply to Maddow, Matthews, Olberman, etc... Just keep Carville, that man cracks me up!
I'm not religious though I believe in a higher power, but I don't follow any dogma. Like abortions, I see the way we use it in many cases as a form of birth control, or first choice, or to keep the population of the "undesirables down" and to justify it all by calling a human embryo an "it" as a big hit on societies morals. I don't think anyone is going to hell because of it.
I would be happier if after a women's first free abortion they not only get a second free abortion, but a free sterilization too on the second one, but she can pay for all she wants....Same with the man...If a man pregnants a woman and it ends up in a free abortion...the next time a free abortion comes up with any women and he is the father he get sniped.
But then that would be so wrong to infringe on their rights...Hmmm maybe if we called sterilization as taking care of an "it".....naw...
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reply to post by Xtrozero
I'm afraid I am seriously confused. Not being able to get an erection is a medical issue, but pregnancy isn't?
I'm not going to even attempt to try to disect that, I will just offer you another example to see if it makes more sense to you.
Your insurance currently covers Vasectomies and Tubal Ligations. The majority of people who get these don't do it for a medical problem, they do it for the sole purpose to not get pregnant or to not get someone pregnant.
I'm very sorry, but your argument falls apart on many levels.
Well that is a drug for a medical problem...the ability to get pregnant is not a medical problem
I'm afraid I am seriously confused. Not being able to get an erection is a medical issue, but pregnancy isn't?
I'm not going to even attempt to try to disect that, I will just offer you another example to see if it makes more sense to you.
Your insurance currently covers Vasectomies and Tubal Ligations. The majority of people who get these don't do it for a medical problem, they do it for the sole purpose to not get pregnant or to not get someone pregnant.
I'm very sorry, but your argument falls apart on many levels.
So basically I see a bunch of people agreeing with one of the most left wing media outlets there is.
A broad brush that painted an entire party that believes, but what a few only believed. Case in point there were millions of Americans who were more concerned with the direction of this country.
The trillion dollar deficits, half of this country on entitlements, who think that it not there responsiblity to pay for someones birth contro and other issues like the economy, and the murder of people abroad that have brown skin.
Nope the "gop needs to more to the left" is what they are saying, lot of people "agree" with that tripe.
Sorry if the left really expects the right to get on their knees and say "yes massa" they have a another thing coming.
As well as if they do not want a right winger dictating morality from a government seat what the hell do they think "gives them the right" to dictate what a right winger should do.
So I have a message to the Left as if anyone will ever get on their knees for your beliefs.
A broad brush that painted an entire party that believes, but what a few only believed. Case in point there were millions of Americans who were more concerned with the direction of this country.
The trillion dollar deficits, half of this country on entitlements, who think that it not there responsiblity to pay for someones birth contro and other issues like the economy, and the murder of people abroad that have brown skin.
Nope the "gop needs to more to the left" is what they are saying, lot of people "agree" with that tripe.
Sorry if the left really expects the right to get on their knees and say "yes massa" they have a another thing coming.
As well as if they do not want a right winger dictating morality from a government seat what the hell do they think "gives them the right" to dictate what a right winger should do.
So I have a message to the Left as if anyone will ever get on their knees for your beliefs.
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I would add:
Stop lying.....God (if you do really believe in Him??) is listening.
Stop cheating.....God is watching.
Stop lying.....God (if you do really believe in Him??) is listening.
Stop cheating.....God is watching.
Originally posted by sealing
I had no idea the GOP holds the keys to free thinking.
Must be why all those musicians directors actors and poets are Republican.
Neither did I... And neither is that what was stated...
You must be terribly intelligent!
The referendum was quite real. It shows a trend.
You realize this is exactly what "the Right" has done on numerous occasions in the past -
After an election where their side won - they loudly proclaimed "This is the end of Liberalism!"
When all the Conservative "Good Ole Boys Clubs" appear to have vanished...they'll still be here - just, wearing a different banner (Liberal/Moderate), because they are not "stuck" on their ideology as much as their power.
The right cannot be the party of "Papers Please if you're brown. (and president btw )
Or Make health choices for women or legislate gays as second class citizens and win.
Those days are gone. That's the referendum.
And Obama won by 3 million plus votes 51/49. and will end up with 332 electoral votes.
Even with the economy struggling,people know whose blocking bills in the House of Reps now as well.
In two years their will another referendum with the TEA PARTY's name written all over it.
This must mean a lot to you.
"Referendum"?
Originally posted by xedocodex
Your insurance currently covers Vasectomies and Tubal Ligations. The majority of people who get these don't do it for a medical problem, they do it for the sole purpose to not get pregnant or to not get someone pregnant.
I'm very sorry, but your argument falls apart on many levels.
It may or may not, but there is the normal co-pay right? When we go down the path of totally free for everyone preventive medicine it will be a cost we can't not afford. I go to a chiropractor once a week and it cost me 20 bucks as a co-pay (80 a month), should that be totally free out of pocket for me since it is preventative medicine too?
And once more I am enlightened.
I didn't realize that something a foreigner once told me was absolutely true:
Americans treat their beliefs in terms of absolutes rather than distinct possibilities and probabilities of truth. There is a distinct disconnect within a social interaction when both sides of an issue stay rooted in the "right minded" mentality rather than the "it's possible" category.
It really seems that Americans are getting way to caught up in being "right", and the background of these underlying sentiments really screams something more:
It seems to be because a lot of this is rooted in "religion". Yes, that's an easy go for, but hear me out here. Abortion, Gay rights, Evolution, Global Warming...it all seems to be predicated upon the religious doctrine...and some just get tied up on the idea of serving God to the point where they can't move on a position out of fear of eternal punishment.
/If/ that is the case, then we have a fundamental problem that can only be solved with the transitioning of generations.
America...it looks interesting now.
I didn't realize that something a foreigner once told me was absolutely true:
Americans treat their beliefs in terms of absolutes rather than distinct possibilities and probabilities of truth. There is a distinct disconnect within a social interaction when both sides of an issue stay rooted in the "right minded" mentality rather than the "it's possible" category.
It really seems that Americans are getting way to caught up in being "right", and the background of these underlying sentiments really screams something more:
It seems to be because a lot of this is rooted in "religion". Yes, that's an easy go for, but hear me out here. Abortion, Gay rights, Evolution, Global Warming...it all seems to be predicated upon the religious doctrine...and some just get tied up on the idea of serving God to the point where they can't move on a position out of fear of eternal punishment.
/If/ that is the case, then we have a fundamental problem that can only be solved with the transitioning of generations.
America...it looks interesting now.
Originally posted by HappyBunny
There is a lot of other preventive care out there too, should it all be free for everyone? It is not cheap BTW...
Absolutely it should be and will be free for everyone.
So the BIG question...who pays for it all? Do we sprinkle Pixie dust and call it a day?
edit on 8-11-2012 by Xtrozero because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Originally posted by HappyBunny
There is a lot of other preventive care out there too, should it all be free for everyone? It is not cheap BTW...
Absolutely it should be and will be free for everyone.
So the BIG question...who pays for it all? Do we sprinkle picky dust and call it a day?
Already answered on and was their "campagin".
Just make the rich pay they don't care where it comes from as long as they get what they want.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Originally posted by HappyBunny
There is a lot of other preventive care out there too, should it all be free for everyone? It is not cheap BTW...
Absolutely it should be and will be free for everyone.
So the BIG question...who pays for it all? Do we sprinkle picky dust and call it a day?
We ALL pay for it. And that's as it should be.
It's no different than buying into an insurance company. It's POOLED RISK, only on a bigger scale.
double post
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Ok, so a little over half the people drank the Kool-aid and voted for Obama.
Now people like Maddow are doing their little victory dance.
The question becomes what will the next four years look like? I shudder to think of it.
As my daughter put it: "Those who voted for Obama care more about who gets to marry whom and those who voted for Romney care about jobs."
That pretty much says it all.
BTW: that horrible noise we are hearing is one giant liberal orgasm. Hope it ends soon.
Now people like Maddow are doing their little victory dance.
The question becomes what will the next four years look like? I shudder to think of it.
As my daughter put it: "Those who voted for Obama care more about who gets to marry whom and those who voted for Romney care about jobs."
That pretty much says it all.
BTW: that horrible noise we are hearing is one giant liberal orgasm. Hope it ends soon.
reply to post by Xtrozero
Yes, I believe preventative medicine should be free or as cheap as possible.
Any doctor will tell you that it is better, and cheaper, to prevent a medical issue than treat a medical issue.
Pregnancy care, prenatal care, delivery, and post-delivery care cost way more than providing free contraception for life ever would. Let's go on the high side and say birth control is $50/month, cheap by medical cost standards, but still expensive for some lower income people. So one year of birth control is $600 a year. Let's say birth control is provided from 16 years old to 45 years old, that is a total of $17,400. A single pregnancy can cost (again on the high side) anywhere from $17,000 for normal deliver and $30,000 for C-Section, and that is with zero complications. Prenatal care is around $3,000 on the high side and the baby recieves a seperate hosptial bill, another $4,000. So on the very high side with no complications, you are looking at $37,000 dollars. Now that is going to be picked up by the tax payer for a patient without insurance, so really, what is the cheaper option?
It may or may not, but there is the normal co-pay right? When we go down the path of totally free for everyone preventive medicine it will be a cost we can't not afford. I go to a chiropractor once a week and it cost me 20 bucks as a co-pay (80 a month), should that be totally free out of pocket for me since it is preventative medicine too?
Yes, I believe preventative medicine should be free or as cheap as possible.
Any doctor will tell you that it is better, and cheaper, to prevent a medical issue than treat a medical issue.
Pregnancy care, prenatal care, delivery, and post-delivery care cost way more than providing free contraception for life ever would. Let's go on the high side and say birth control is $50/month, cheap by medical cost standards, but still expensive for some lower income people. So one year of birth control is $600 a year. Let's say birth control is provided from 16 years old to 45 years old, that is a total of $17,400. A single pregnancy can cost (again on the high side) anywhere from $17,000 for normal deliver and $30,000 for C-Section, and that is with zero complications. Prenatal care is around $3,000 on the high side and the baby recieves a seperate hosptial bill, another $4,000. So on the very high side with no complications, you are looking at $37,000 dollars. Now that is going to be picked up by the tax payer for a patient without insurance, so really, what is the cheaper option?
reply to post by grandmakdw
Well way to not even read the OP or watch the video. None of that took place.
But to answer your question, we respond in kind with facts and statistics each and everytime a conservative says crap like that to us here.
Examples?
hell there was a thread just yesterday or the day before saying anyone who votes for Obama is a traitor. amazing. Another thread railed against people who voted for Obama calling them thick headed, stupid, morons, lazy, etc etc.
So yeah, if you wanna give it, you need to take it.
but again, you didn't even bother to read the op transcript or watch the video. so, epic fail
How do you respond when a person calls you stupid, ridicules you and puts you down and then tells you to accept their ideas as the correct one? Think about it OP.
Well way to not even read the OP or watch the video. None of that took place.
But to answer your question, we respond in kind with facts and statistics each and everytime a conservative says crap like that to us here.
Examples?
hell there was a thread just yesterday or the day before saying anyone who votes for Obama is a traitor. amazing. Another thread railed against people who voted for Obama calling them thick headed, stupid, morons, lazy, etc etc.
So yeah, if you wanna give it, you need to take it.
but again, you didn't even bother to read the op transcript or watch the video. so, epic fail
reply to post by signalfire
Why should the Republicans end the divisiveness? Why not the Democrats do that. You can begin by actually finding out what most Republicans are rather then believing your own figureheads. I was raised a Catholic but have not be a Catholic or Christian in 40yrs for my own reasons.
As to anger, hatred, and misinformation look to your own party. I WAS a Democrat from Chicago. I suggest you look in a mirror instead of projecting your own feelings on someone else.
How about honesty? You wish to believe in evolution? If you do that then you can not say all people are of equal value. I think a couple of your minorities might get upset about that if you tell them. You wish to believe in science? Ok walk the walk as well as talk the talk. I do not think you have it in you. Although I am not a Christian, with the Christian belief that God made us all you can then say all life has equal value. With science and evolution you can not. If you had a REAL, education you would know this.
Why should the Republicans end the divisiveness? Why not the Democrats do that. You can begin by actually finding out what most Republicans are rather then believing your own figureheads. I was raised a Catholic but have not be a Catholic or Christian in 40yrs for my own reasons.
As to anger, hatred, and misinformation look to your own party. I WAS a Democrat from Chicago. I suggest you look in a mirror instead of projecting your own feelings on someone else.
How about honesty? You wish to believe in evolution? If you do that then you can not say all people are of equal value. I think a couple of your minorities might get upset about that if you tell them. You wish to believe in science? Ok walk the walk as well as talk the talk. I do not think you have it in you. Although I am not a Christian, with the Christian belief that God made us all you can then say all life has equal value. With science and evolution you can not. If you had a REAL, education you would know this.
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you must be referring to a different Romney, as the Romney that was running for president made his fortune buying businesses, laying off the entire work force, and offshore outsourcing it. Oh, he did take a break to help Monsanto get their bioengineering division working good and helped remove the tarnish from the whole Agent Orange fiasco.
Feel free to actually research the people you demand the rest of us support. Romney won't create jobs, he will outsource more, cancel social services, and give the millionaires another tasty tax break. and seeing as you are here posting on ATS instead of swimming in your bank vault full of gold coins scrooge mcduck style, I'm thinking you aren't going to be one of the people that Romney gives a damn about.
In fact, you don't exist to him.
You lost. Romney lost to himself, you can't debase your entire country while trying to get their support and expect to win.
the only consistent thing about Romney other than his arrogance is his constant flip flopping on every single issue.
As my daughter put it: "Those who voted for Obama care more about who gets to marry whom and those who voted for Romney care about jobs."
you must be referring to a different Romney, as the Romney that was running for president made his fortune buying businesses, laying off the entire work force, and offshore outsourcing it. Oh, he did take a break to help Monsanto get their bioengineering division working good and helped remove the tarnish from the whole Agent Orange fiasco.
Feel free to actually research the people you demand the rest of us support. Romney won't create jobs, he will outsource more, cancel social services, and give the millionaires another tasty tax break. and seeing as you are here posting on ATS instead of swimming in your bank vault full of gold coins scrooge mcduck style, I'm thinking you aren't going to be one of the people that Romney gives a damn about.
In fact, you don't exist to him.
You lost. Romney lost to himself, you can't debase your entire country while trying to get their support and expect to win.
the only consistent thing about Romney other than his arrogance is his constant flip flopping on every single issue.
reply to post by sealing
One thing nice about this election is it is bringing the racist liberals out into the open. I love how so many on here and in the news on all channels are going on about whites. Not about ideas. About skin color. As to those you consider intelligent because they wrote a song or a play or are a actor. LOL. Enough said.
One thing nice about this election is it is bringing the racist liberals out into the open. I love how so many on here and in the news on all channels are going on about whites. Not about ideas. About skin color. As to those you consider intelligent because they wrote a song or a play or are a actor. LOL. Enough said.
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You forgot the part where while he was doing that he was taking other peoples pensions and using them to build elevators for his cars.
You forgot the part where while he was doing that he was taking other peoples pensions and using them to build elevators for his cars.
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