Message to GOP care of Rachel Maddow

Originally posted by HappyBunny
Because most conspiracy theorists tend to be right-wingers. I don't know why that is, but I'm sure there are papers on it. If you're really an academic as your name implies, you should be able to find them.

Do you know how many bush hating liberals are 911 conspiracy theorists?

Plus I also work with people who are skeptics just like me but they believe in socialism unlike I do

While that is true I know many right wingers who say muslims attacked us on 911 and it was not an inside job

So as you see you have a spoon full of conspiracy theories but there's definately some pinches of partisanship in there.

But at the end of the day I disagree with you

But I will say this, the majority of liberals are sheeple!

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by HappyBunny
Because most conspiracy theorists tend to be right-wingers. I don't know why that is, but I'm sure there are papers on it. If you're really an academic as your name implies, you should be able to find them.

Do you know how many bush hating liberals are 911 conspiracy theorists?

Plus I also work with people who are skeptics just like me but they believe in socialism unlike I do

While that is true I know many right wingers who say muslims attacked us on 911 and it was not an inside job

So as you see you have a spoon full of conspiracy theories but there's definately some pinches of partisanship in there.

I said "tend to be right-wingers". I didn't qualify that with an absolute "all conspiracy theorists are right wingers", nor did I say that ALL right wingers are conspiracy theorists.

But at the end of the day I disagree with you

But I will say this, the majority of liberals are sheeple!

Thus proving my point. For "modern academic", you're not very bright.

reply to post by Jerk_Idiot


~Sigh~

My core values? I'll clue you in. I believe that ignorance is the greatest threat to society. I believe in protecting the weak from the strong. I believe in fairness. I believe in personal freedom. I believe in embracing the spirit that America was founded upon - and not the greed fueled joke it has turned into. I believe in opportunity for all - not just for the privileged. I believe in truth over lies. I believe in equality for all. I believe in standing up for what is right - even when it means having to fight to stay standing. I believe in the future. I believe that people are all relevant - even those who are not like me. I believe that power belongs to the many and not the few.

Now... what do YOU believe in? Other than fear of change that is.

~Heff

reply to post by ripcontrol


And that post marks the point where rhetoric seized control and will continue ad nauseum as the thread goes south.

Define legitimate? Seriously? I'll ask Donald Trump.

It was great while it lasted.

Originally posted by xedocodex

I somewhat understand your stance, I don't like abortion, I think it is very sad and disturbing. But I know that I am in the minority in society.

I don't think you are in the minority. I don't know anybody that "likes" abortion. It is sad - very sad. But we cannot force a woman to have a child that she does not want to carry to term. Like you said, it will never work anyway. A woman who is desperate will abort that child anyway she can, to the point of ending her own life. Not all young women are as lucky as your daughter or granddaughter. Not all women have a support system. My step-daughter got pregnant while in college. She has stated that if she didn't have such a good support system with her family, that she would have seriously considered abortion.

Instead of concentrating on repealing Roe V Wade, we should be concentrating on educating young girls (and boys) to prevent this sad situation to begin with. We should get over this conservative fundamentalist distaste for contraceptives. Contraceptives should be made free to all, and freely given out. Yeah, it's fine to teach your children abstinence, but that seldom works (look at Sarah Palin).

Originally posted by HappyBunny
I said "tend to be right-wingers". I didn't qualify that with an absolute "all conspiracy theorists are right wingers", nor did I say that ALL right wingers are conspiracy theorists.

I never assumed you were speaking in absolutes
But you did pretty much say ring wingers represent the majority of conspiracy theorists

Originally posted by HappyBunny
Thus proving my point. For "modern academic", you're not very bright.

Oh you just refuted me!
Oh wait.... you didn't even make a point..... never mind!

Originally posted by KeliOnyx
reply to post by Jerk_Idiot

 

No no no we are not telling conservatives to reject their core beliefs. We are telling the fiscal conservatives to kick out, move from or otherwise divorce the social conservatives that are holding the country back. We want our friends back.

I want to know exactly what their "core beliefs" are in the first place. We're having a hard time getting a straight answer on that one.

reply to post by xedocodex



I appreciate your post and it made me cry, in fact I am still crying,

There once was a time when all life was sacred, I am just a wacky eccentric kinda gal, who still believes there is a little soul and spark in all things, the pulse of life.

I feel nothing but compassion for women facing this choice.

Many times the tolerant left has attacked me for my opinion on the matter, many years I have posted on these forum



I know how intolerant of my opinion they are, who would have thought in ancient days the term pro life would be a bad thing?

We vibrate to a primordial rhythm even before we have ears to hear.
It is often said that the first sound we hear in the womb is our mother's heartbeat. Actually, the first sound to vibrate our newly developed hearing apparatus is the pulse of our mother's blood through her veins and arteries.

We vibrate to that primordial rhythm even before we have ears to hear. Before we were conceived, we existed in part as an egg in our mother's ovary. All the eggs a woman will ever carry form in her ovaries while she is a four-month-old fetus in the womb of her mother.

This means our cellular life as an egg begins in the womb of our grandmother. Each of us spent five months in our grandmother's womb and she in turn formed within the womb of her grandmother. We vibrate to the rhythms of our mother's blood before she herself is born.

And this pulse is the thread of blood that runs all the way back through the grandmothers to the first mother. We all share the blood of the first mother - we are truly children of one blood.

Layne Redmond



We have lost the understanding of the sanctity of human life on so many levels.

One day we WILL have to answer to someone.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by HappyBunny
I said "tend to be right-wingers". I didn't qualify that with an absolute "all conspiracy theorists are right wingers", nor did I say that ALL right wingers are conspiracy theorists.

I never assumed you were speaking in absolutes
But you did pretty much say ring wingers represent the majority of conspiracy theorists

Which is not an absolute by any stretch.

Originally posted by HappyBunny
Thus proving my point. For "modern academic", you're not very bright.

Oh you just refuted me!
Oh wait.... you didn't even make a point..... never mind!

Calling liberals "sheeple" is counterproductive.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Abortion was alive and well in the old days. I hate to say it but it is true. It has been around as long as unwanted and unintended pregnancy has been. It isn't a pretty thing but it is a grim reality. Premarital sex and teenage pregnancy is also nothing new. It is just now in the modern age we don't hide it and cover it up. Nothing has changed other than how we accept and deal with the issue.

Originally posted by HappyBunny
Which is not an absolute by any stretch.

.......ok
So if I knew you weren't speaking in absolutes that means that I know you weren't
Which means I didn't reply to you thinking you were
Understand now?

What my reply meant was that from my perception, yes only perception, I don't see ring wingers representing the majority.

Originally posted by HappyBunny
Calling liberals "sheeple" is counterproductive.

I don't know how to respond to that lol
What are you trying to say?
How is it counter-productive?

Liberals today, forget classic liberalism I'm talking about today, believe in redistibrution of wealth where the redistibutor is the most corrupt entity in the country infested by special interests groups.

Also during Bush Liberals were the most vocally anti-war
During Obama the protests VANISHED! And now they re-elected him.

NDAA, extension of the patriot act, War, more War... even more war, Somalia, cronyism and the list goes on and on and on and on

But it's okay because a president from the democratic party will only do these things if it's in the best for us.

Republicans war?
I know you may say that, but this is after Bush where everyone realized that war was just a sham
Even I was for the war after 911 happened
This is years after, now we know it was all lies

Originally posted by Hefficide

There was no deflection whatsoever in my reply. It was an indictment of the absolutist position that conservatives take when confronted with the notion of compromise. But no worries. The mindset of exclusivity and exclusion is archaic - as the latest election proves.

~Heff

The only thing that the latest election proves is the country is more divided than ever, and that division is actually the difference in views of those who live in America's big cities that are blue and the rest of the country. Obama did not take a SINGLE State in counties, but only took the few counties where the one or two big cities resided in every state he won. I find it strange that Romney would take all of NV except the county where Las Vegas is in (unions anyone?). Or Obama would only get 22 out of 102 counties in his own state of IL, but he took Chicago even though the vast majority of the state went Romney. We see this in OH too with 16 out of 88 for Obama, and FL where he got 12 out of 67 counties.

So one needs to look at the demographics as to why the big cities went Obama and not Romney. I personally find city life in most of these big cities as hell holes, and I don't see the views that are in LA, San Fran, Chicago, New York, Detroit etc as what America as a whole would want as views.

I do think the Obama campaign was very smart these last four years and focused on these big cities knowing that is where they could focus their ideas to match the ideas of those cities.


He was been chameleon throughout...He was a LA hipsters hitting all the talk shows time and again and got every liberal entertainer to ride his coat tails. He needed no substance here at all..just look cool and smile, and he won in LA. He is in deep with the Unions and can quickly change into a union man when needed and that pushed him in NV, OH, IL, NY etc a good deal. The whole auto bailout was for unions and so he used about 50 billion of our tax dollars as a campain tool to lock down the unions, and it worked. He made one comment about gays and that rode him through San Fran, Santa Fe etc, once again needing zero substance. He was very successful with his class warfare that was focused on the big cities where dense populations are under Government subsistence.

Ronmey's message was to get America back on her feet through jobs and I don't think that was a message that our big cities really cared about hearing since it was an overall message not one just focused on what they see as a priority. As example, though Detroit wants jobs, they would rather see Union support and increase in subsistence support more as a whole, and so Obama wins...

In the end though the division is much more than Right vs Left, and we will see how well he does with another four years as America kind of suffered through his On the Job Training these last four years.

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@rachel m youtube liber vid

continued

and nobody is taking away anyone's guns,

12) in your defense 'you' are not... that would require you to do a real days worth of work...

your party is trying always to justify taking away the guns because you are afraid that those who disagree with you will not follow what want to do...

something about cling to something comes to mind....

and Taxes have not gone up,

13) I have to disagree, taxes and inflation have raised upwards in comparison to historical standards...

otherwise why are prices so high... few people realize how much of that item you bought is taxed and how much of cost it is...

think lady... each of at least four stages is taxed...

and the Deficit is dropping, actually,

14)

LOL!!!

sorry waiting for the markets to respond to your news....

you forgot a word on the back of the american worker

and Saddam Hussein did not have Weapons of Mass Destruction

15) actually you are not on the need to know on this one... but here it is...

They did have them....
"We have the sales receipts..."

You are blaming the WRONG republican....

and the Moon Landing was real,

16) Which one and when...


However, continue to enjoy your victory... keep goading the conspiracy theorist with cheap shots...

you forget it is not a far step for the conspiracy nuts to return the favor and launch one of there on... they can plan one and oddly enough they know how to hide it... make you look like one of their fellows in good standing...

bravo on the dig


republicans are like conspricay nuts that believe in no moon landing

and FEMA is not building concentration camps

17) Darn it Miss Maddows, They are not concentration camps they are emergency mandatory shelters

again it is odd you dug up alex jones talking points... or is it art belll

Originally posted by Jerk_Idiot
reply to post by LeatherNLace

 

Assume much? Where have I asked ANYONE to give up their core beliefs? I have asked you what you stand for, what is your core beliefs. You have not answered. My point is compromise IS NOT POSSIBLE if either side demands the other give up its core beliefs. So far all I have heard from the liberal's is the same as last time. We won so you HAVE TO DO WHAT WE SAY. Sorry. I do not. If a gun was held to my held I still would not have to do what I was told. That is what a core belief IS! Something you are willing to die for. Until liberals actually get it through their heads that their are some people who are willing to die for their beliefs and will not compromise them then there can be no compromise. That has been Obama's problem. He has bought and threatened so many in Congress that he believes he can do whatever he wants. He believes that EVERYONE is just like a liberal and can be bought or threatened. Chicago politics.

As to Congress. My personal position is no to anything. Not because of Obama. Not even because of the issues being put forward. But because of you and his followers. I have never in 60yrs seen the rabidness put forward by you folks. Not even in Chicago. I fear if you are allowed to go forward with the concepts of buying and threatening that you have that the US may go down in history as the worst country ever. As the pastor said in the movie Serenity believe in SOMETHING. It does not matter what. Just actually believe in something. Once you have done that then maybe we can compromise.

I didn't assume anything. I asked you a question. Since you are not willing to compromise on your core beliefs then that leaves only 2 options: (1) you want liberals to compromise their core beliefs, or (2) you are content with the unprecedented gridlock that has consumed congress for the last four years. So, which is it?

Besides, not all issues revolve around core beliefs. Here is an example:

Republicans want a strong military and want the military budget increased, rather than going back to the pre Afghanistan/Iraq war budget. Democrats want to take that Afghanistan/Iraq budget bloat money and use it to upgrade outdated infrastructure within our own country. A compromise would be to cut military spending to somewhere between where it is now and where it was before the wars and allocate the difference towards upgrading infrastructure. This seems like a reasonable compromise where both sides meet on middle ground and both get some of what they want without taking everything for themselves. Is this something that could be reach a compromise on? Or is gridlock the only answer?

reply to post by Xtrozero


So summed up Obama took the counties where more people actually live. But Romney got the votes where the livestock, trees and crickets live. We knew this. Maybe we should let the livestock, trees and cricket vote, is this your point?

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by xedocodex

 

I appreciate your post and it made me cry, in fact I am still crying,

There once was a time when all life was sacred, I am just a wacky eccentric kinda gal, who still believes there is a little soul and spark in all things, the pulse of life.

I feel nothing but compassion for women facing this choice.

Yet your answer to their problem is to deny them the choice to end that pregnancy.

If you really had any compassion whatsoever, you wouldn't foist that lack of choice on them, so spare us your fake empathy.

Many times the tolerant left has attacked me for my opinion on the matter, many years I have posted on these forum

I know how intolerant of my opinion they are, who would have thought in ancient days the term pro life would be a bad thing?

Your rhetoric is touching.

Tell me, what makes you think that everyone was so pro-life in ancient days? Women then knew perfectly well how to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy. Ever heard of pennyroyal? Chamomile?

If life was considered sacred, why so many wars? Why did God instruct Aaron and Joshua to slaughter everyone, including the children? Give me a break.

Many children didn't survive to adulthood, and those who did only lived to 25 or 30. Such a short lifespan also meant that humans became fertile at such a young age. We are sexually mature long before we reach adult growth, and there is a biological reason for that. A girl is at her healthiest and most fertile at age 17. Girls having their first baby at 15 or earlier is still common in some parts of the world.

You don't override 7 million years of evolution just because some quack in a pointy hat sitting in the Vatican says so. It doesn't work that way.

We vibrate to a primordial rhythm even before we have ears to hear.
It is often said that the first sound we hear in the womb is our mother's heartbeat. Actually, the first sound to vibrate our newly developed hearing apparatus is the pulse of our mother's blood through her veins and arteries.

We vibrate to that primordial rhythm even before we have ears to hear. Before we were conceived, we existed in part as an egg in our mother's ovary. All the eggs a woman will ever carry form in her ovaries while she is a four-month-old fetus in the womb of her mother.

This means our cellular life as an egg begins in the womb of our grandmother. Each of us spent five months in our grandmother's womb and she in turn formed within the womb of her grandmother. We vibrate to the rhythms of our mother's blood before she herself is born.

Did you know that 50%-80% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage?

And this pulse is the thread of blood that runs all the way back through the grandmothers to the first mother. We all share the blood of the first mother - we are truly children of one blood.

Layne Redmond



We have lost the understanding of the sanctity of human life on so many levels.

One day we WILL have to answer to someone.

Now you're sounding like a Mother Gaia left-wing radical.

reply to post by Xtrozero

Obama did not take a SINGLE State in counties, but took the few counties where the big cities resided in every state he won. I find it strange that Romney would take all of NV except the county where Las Vegas is in. Or Obama would only get 22 out of 102 counties in his own state of IL, but he took Chicago even though the vast majority of the state went Romney. We see this in OH too with 16 out of 88 for Obama, and FL where he got 12 out of 67 counties.

Why would you use landmass as a measure of who won the state?

Nevada, outside of Las Vegas and Reno, is dessert.

Illinois, outside of Chicago (Cook County) and Springfield, is mostly farmland.

To say that Romney won "most of the state" is a very mis-leading statement.

Do you honestly think that we should county by counties rather than total population?

Originally posted by KeliOnyx
reply to post by Xtrozero

 

So summed up Obama took the counties where more people actually live. But Romney got the votes where the livestock, trees and crickets live. We knew this. Maybe we should let the livestock, trees and cricket vote, is this your point?

If corporations are people, I don't see why the trees and crickets shouldn't be, too.

reply to post by HappyBunny


Are you telling us your biased against livestock?

reply to post by grandmakdw


What nonsense. Everything Maddow said is factually and demonstrably true. The sooner the GOP distances itself from the crazy marginals, the better for all of us.