Message to GOP care of Rachel Maddow

reply to post by Jerk_Idiot

Although I am not a Christian, with the Christian belief that God made us all you can then say all life has equal value. With science and evolution you can not. If you had a REAL, education you would know this.

Spoken like a person with absolutely no knowledge on the science of evolution at all. Well played, your user name is about half accurate, you are clearly not a jerk, and I don't think you are an idiot because you are able to actually form your own opinion and clearly state it for the rest of us.

I just feel you are ignorant on the subjects you are talking about.

i'm not a religious person at all, I don't believe in any of that. but you know what? I'm honestly wishing we find out that there is a god, and all of that stuff is real.

I'm really pulling for it to be Islam that got it correct, just to see the look on some of your faces.

reply to post by Xtrozero


Eliminating the avarice and wastefulness in Congress and in Federal programs and the money will be more than enough to fund responsible social programs.

BTW I'm less worried about lazy people using food stamps at this point than I am about pork-barrel riders in every freaking bill that hits Congress - like subsidies for businesses who donate to reelection war chests. In fact I may be one of the few "liberals" who believes in smaller government. Anyone who has set foot in any Federal or State facility - from Social Security, to the DMV, to a DFACS office figures out, in about ten seconds, that there are four times too many employees - none of whom seem willing to move at more than a snails pace. They need to be treated like employees in the private sector - performance based pay and job security with an emphasis upon efficiency and customer service skills.

Oh and wars - pulling out of our current military misadventures will save a fortune in and of itself.

~Heff

Originally posted by redtic
I want to be clear that the commentary Maddow made here, imho, is directed at factions of the GOP, not the entire GOP. The GOP can become a constructive party again, but they are not that now - they are destructive because of these factions. Every one of her points applies to some faction of either the GOP or right-wing media. The only way we'll get anything done in this country with our current system is through compromise - the current GOP as a whole has shown it's not willing to do so because of these far-right factions, so they need to take a good hard look in the mirror and redefine who they are and what they stand for.

And this is not to say there aren't bad seeds on the left - but if this election has told us anything, it's that folks are tired of the far right. The conservatives had a perfect opportunity to take over - history shows us that incumbents lose in a down economy - but failed to do so and the above is why.

In general, I agree with you. It's like categorizing every Christian with Westboro Baptist ideologies... You can't do it... But - you can't ignore that said "Westboro" ideology exists (nor should you be naive enough to think that it is confined to that group).
And just as you say - the GOP (or - the incumbent's opponent) should have won the election.
I believe the GOP counted on this historical tendency to allow them to get away with their "Conservative" (meaning - keep what's mine out of your hands...and get as much of yours as I can) methodologies.
I don't see that the tide has shifted as much as others are claiming. I believe their "Liberal optimism" is clouded with hope, rather than discerning what just happened.
There were tons of voters that voted for Obama (or Johnson)...simply because they loathed the way the Republicans claimed to hold the high moral ground, but in fact, acted as low or lower than anyone they'd ever pointed at finger at.
You say the election told us that folks are tired of the far right.
May-be...
I think it told us that people are tired of the Good Ole' Boys Club.

reply to post by Hefficide


Nope all for more efficient and productive government offices myself. For crying out loud they are serving the American public show a little pride and enthusiasm in the job.

reply to post by neo96


I think statistics bear out the notion that the states which voted blue last night are already contributing two-thirds the nations productive capacity each year in total GDP, so I have no doubt that the majority of the heavy lifting is being toted by those who elected to lift it.

Originally posted by HappyBunny

It's no different than buying into an insurance company. It's POOLED RISK, only on a bigger scale.

I would agree with you 100% if we were talking about Catastrophic insurance, but what if insurance paid for all maintenance, all oil changes, tires etc, AND even those who didn't have a car had to pay the same?

reply to post by Hefficide

Eliminating the avarice and wastefulness in Congress and in Federal programs and the money will be more than enough to fund responsible social programs.

Indeed, and reducing the amount of foreign aid to Israel (they get roughly 1/3 of all US foreign aid, while being the 16th richest country in the world) would also create an influx of money, and hell, might even help stabilize the middle east, considering Israel, and specifically US support of Israel, is one of the main reasons all those brown people "hate us". It should be looked at.

I'm a liberal by the definition of the term. Google it. most conservatives are liberals, they just don't know it, because it's become a slur.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by Hefficide

 

Eliminating the avarice and wastefulness in Congress and in Federal programs and the money will be more than enough to fund responsible social programs.

Indeed, and reducing the amount of foreign aid to Israel (they get roughly 1/3 of all US foreign aid, while being the 16th richest country in the world) would also create an influx of money, and hell, might even help stabilize the middle east, considering Israel, and specifically US support of Israel, is one of the main reasons all those brown people "hate us". It should be looked at.

I'm a liberal by the definition of the term. Google it. most conservatives are liberals, they just don't know it, because it's become a slur.

I'm all for an end to ALL foreign aid. We should take that money and put it to work for our infrastructure, our destitute, and our education system and scholarship funds.

By the same notion, you give humanitarian aid where you can. War zones/catastrophes/etc. America needs to draw back from the world some, but not withdraw completely.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


I suppose arrogance is in the eye of the beholder.
Obama is the arrogant one along with being sarcastic, condescending and elitist.

The picture you paint of Romney is absurd. You just can't stand the idea that someone actually made good money in this country. Heaven forbid the American dream might work.

reply to post by 0zzymand0s


Shhh your not supposed to use things like math and facts. Your supposed to randomly find a passage in the bible then read Ayn Rand then speak.

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by HappyBunny

It's no different than buying into an insurance company. It's POOLED RISK, only on a bigger scale.

I would agree with you 100% if we were talking about Catastrophic insurance, but what if insurance paid for all maintenance, all oil changes, tires etc, AND even those who didn't have a car had to pay the same?

There is insurance that will cover that, actually.

Originally posted by Dreine

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by Hefficide

 

Eliminating the avarice and wastefulness in Congress and in Federal programs and the money will be more than enough to fund responsible social programs.

Indeed, and reducing the amount of foreign aid to Israel (they get roughly 1/3 of all US foreign aid, while being the 16th richest country in the world) would also create an influx of money, and hell, might even help stabilize the middle east, considering Israel, and specifically US support of Israel, is one of the main reasons all those brown people "hate us". It should be looked at.

I'm a liberal by the definition of the term. Google it. most conservatives are liberals, they just don't know it, because it's become a slur.

I'm all for an end to ALL foreign aid. We should take that money and put it to work for our infrastructure, our destitute, and our education system and scholarship funds.

By the same notion, you give humanitarian aid where you can. War zones/catastrophes/etc. America needs to draw back from the world some, but not withdraw completely.

Mitt wanted to base foreign aid on all those countries converting to capitalism. Ghosts of Milton Friedman, indeed.

Originally posted by KeliOnyx
reply to post by 0zzymand0s

 

Shhh your not supposed to use things like math and facts. Your supposed to randomly find a passage in the bible then read Ayn Rand then speak.

Psst... some of us still do that and have some decent facts and math skills as well! I like Ayn Rand's promotion of individual freedom, but I also am a bit more kindhearted than she was. Not all about quoting the Bible though... only if the situation requires it, which usually means the quote is written in red.

However, my life experience is nowhere near what hers was. I can understand her bitterness at what happened to her father.

People love math so much?

16 trillion dollars in debt with the first 4 years of Obama, a second term at current spending levels will mean by the end of 2016 the national debt will be over 21-22 trillion dollars.

Which means 8 years of obama the administration will have spent near 12 trillion alone double that of the last guy.

Here is more math facts:

50 million on SS
50 million on medicare
50 million on medicaid
47 million on welfare.

over 23 million unemployed

4 dead Americans in Benghazi
50,000+ Mexican nationals dead from Fast and Furious

But hey who cares right?

The GOP needs to change and just promise the people free stuff.

Originally posted by Hefficide
Eliminating the avarice and wastefulness in Congress and in Federal programs and the money will be more than enough to fund responsible social programs.

This my friend is an impossibility. Just invoking Government into anything means wastefulness and inefficiencies. It is because of the very nature of Government that we need to minimize it and not try to make it something it can never be.

BTW I'm less worried about lazy people using food stamps at this point than I am about pork-barrel riders in every freaking bill that hits Congress - like subsidies for businesses who donate to reelection war chests. In fact I may be one of the few "liberals" who believes in smaller government. Anyone who has set foot in any Federal or State facility - from Social Security, to the DMV, to a DFACS office figures out, in about ten seconds, that there are four times too many employees - none of whom seem willing to move at more than a snails pace. They need to be treated like employees in the private sector - performance based pay and job security with an emphasis upon efficiency and customer service skills.

I agree with you on this...what will be interesting is Washington passed charter school bill and we will be able to compare and see why our educational system is so inefficient.

Oh and wars - pulling out of our current military misadventures will save a fortune in and of itself.

Being part of ever war since 1980 I can agree with this...maybe we need to let the world around us reset every once in a while...

reply to post by neo96

A broad brush that painted an entire party that believes, but what a few only believed. Case in point there were millions of Americans who were more concerned with the direction of this country.

I'm sorry Neo, but coming from you that is the most ironic and hypocritical post I've ever read in my life.

but.......

I wouldn't expect the right to lay down and give up their beliefs at all. THat's what's actually inspiring about the conservatives in the US, they believe what they believe, will not be shaken from it, and will rabidly work towards whatever goals they have set. It's something to envy, even if you don't believe what they believe.

the US is arguably the most advanced nation on earth, one of the richest. Why is it ok that your country is almost at the bottom of every list of healthcare access, life span, infant survival rates. etc etc etc

Healthcare should be a major issue, but again, that's coming from a liberal who doesn't mind paying into a pool that ensures EVERYONE gets equal access to medical help. Yes, i know, you will never be sick, and if you are, you will be able to pay for it yourself. I get that's the dream world you live in.

I sincerely hope you never have to see how wrong you are.

The projections show - even now - that things are going to get better. The economy went into a depression. And, yes, I know that nobody wants to use that word and that economists start nit picking about it and prefer "recession". But we in the real world suffered a depression.

The fact that we're seeing the light of day after only 5 years is pretty darned impressive IMO.

~Heff

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


Why the hell does the left care so much about what the right thinks eh?

As long as the right stays the right they will "win" all the time.

So what was the purpose of Maddow and this thread?

Other than to take pot shots at the right.

reply to post by Dreine


I like the parts in red text.

Originally posted by Hefficide

The projections show - even now - that things are going to get better. The economy went into a depression. And, yes, I know that nobody wants to use that word and that economists start nit picking about it and prefer "recession". But us in the real world suffered a depression.

The fact that we're seeing the light of day after only 5 years is pretty darned impressive IMO.

~Heff

I'd also like to point out that the 2009 spending was done under Bush's last budget that was passed in 2008.