Dr. Semir Osmanagich Regarding Pyramids Found All Over the World

Originally posted by AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS

Wow Hanslune, your still here attacking people with your outdated "facts". First lets clear the air, I don't care how many quotes you use of other people that don't have their facts together, The Pyramids were not tombs.

The pyramids were tombs if they weren't where did they bury the Pharaohs? I recommend you read about the AE religion that is the context you are missing

No bodies were ever found in them. They were used for power plants.

Oh really and what and how did they do that? lol

Tesla was inspired by them. I am not about to start pointing out ALL of your, I don't know what to call them miscalculations, or misguided analysis but, you seem to utter the same erroneous "junk" in every post about egypt.

You mean the actual facts you deny? Yes you do deny them but oddly they still remain

I remember debating with you and slayer about a year ago and we would get nowhere. I am an adult, I don't have a problem with accepting new ideas or evidence which would ultimately force me to come to a different conclusion and abandoning my old one. That is what life is about.

Then you should be able to accept being wrong without difficulty

Who cares if the Mayans and Aztecs use them as ceremonial temples, the Mayans did NOT build them and neither did the Aztecs, they will tell you that themselves.

Actually they did all the evidence points to that, but then your ship seems to have sailed in to Denial Bay, Australia

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My point is, you and most of the scientist of today try to understand "Egypt" from the same point of view as the conquerers, same goes for the Incans, Mayans, and Aztecs.

Sorry I'm not a scientist, I'm just someone who uses the scientific method, but thanks for getting to a point it was getting rather hazy there for awhile

This is where you get the idea of tombs, ramps and pulleys, copper and bronze tools. You claim to have the 'superior' understanding of "egypt" but since I have been on this site.

I make no such claim, all I do is bring up the easy and not so easily found known facts about subjects to counter un-evidenced fringe theories that others make up

I haven't heard you mention any other African societies or civilizations that can offer a deeper insight to this particular debate.

??? Not quite sure what you are referring to, the subject of this therad by Mary Rose is Osmie and his hills

Its funny that people who try to exclaim that Egypt is not a part of the African cultural legacy, have not studied anything in Africa or they would offer the contrary. African nations, societies, and civilizations will say the complete opposite.

The other cultures and civilizations don't get mentioned much because they are not subject to the same level of fringification

Like the Dogon, who claim they descend from The "egyptian" High priest, and alchemist about 8,000 years ago. Which is why or how they have similarities in language and culture. I will stop there.

Thanks

I just wanted to point out, many of your erroneous threads are apparent in you patchwork understanding.

You mean your made up world? Is is nice to live in a universe unfettered by reality? But after a while the real world needs to dealt with, I suggest you do so

I have been studying this since a child. Im not saying my understanding is better than your because that's childish but I continue to learn new things about it everyday.

You seemed to have gone done the wrong path. I too learn new things everyday but as I mentioned earlier in this thread I know how to read, you should try it, its magical, and the truth trick is to read both sides of the issue.

If you cannot share the same experience that means you are too comfortable with your understanding.

You don't seem to know much about AE or Archaeology, I'm sorry but I don't remember that earlier debate. Now that you've wasted your time attacking me.....do you have any of that, stuff, you know evidence to back up all these things you think are real?


However that would be derailing this thread, start up another one please, perhaps you can call it, 'The implications of ancient African civilization on AE pyramid power plants'

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE

Thanks. There are interests and there are obsessions and the distinction is important. One is healthy and can be helpful, the other is unhealthy and ego-based.

Well said! You do know you were talking about yourself don't you?

Back to Osmie

National geo article (2009) gives a good summary up to that year

Dr. Robert Schoch's opinion on the issue....yep hills not pyramids

Schoch

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by Logarock
Is it me or does Hanslune even know what we are talking about? Anyone?

It's you.

I know, from reading his posts over the years, that Hanslune knows more about what we're talking about here than 99% of the posters in this section of the forum.

Harte

You are being too generous with the knowledge you give the 1%. I would daresay you and Hanslune are the 2 most knowledgable "experts" of the forum. Slayer is the only other person that sticks out with me.

Byrd, Kandisky, JohnnyCanuck, Slayer and many, many others contribute much to this board and I learn a great deal from the postings here, unfortunately 95% of what is presented here is a rehashed of fringe stuff that was debunked decades ago....but every once in awhile something not new age, fringy or lacking in reality is posted and those are great.

Sigh, I should have included Byrd as well, mindfart. I enjoy your posts more than the others you named (I named Slayer!). I also enjoy Slayer's delving into the fringe, but not mindlessly so as we see so much on this forum.

Getting into debunked info, if you look at the picture on the cover of the book a few posts back it is the debunked photoshopped image of "energy" coming from a pyramid. About all you need to see to know what this guy's angle is, and it's not truth.

Wow its great to have so many experts here on thread, here is a question for the experts. If they find cement thats exactley the same as the other pyramids around the world, would it give any credibility to Bosnia having some pyramids ? , lsol

Originally posted by Aianawa13
Wow its great to have so many experts here on thread, here is a question for the experts. If they find cement thats exactley the same as the other pyramids around the world, would it give any credibility to Bosnia having some pyramids ? , lsol

May I ask what cement is found on every single pyramid in the world?

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Surely the book cover is a representation of:

Originally posted by Mary Rose

Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun

. . . Croatian physicists detected (2010) existence of the energy beam coming through the top of the pyramid with the radius of 4,5 meters.

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Which is complete nonsense crap. If there is energy why can no one but him see it?

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by Logarock
Is it me or does Hanslune even know what we are talking about? Anyone?

It's you.

I know, from reading his posts over the years, that Hanslune knows more about what we're talking about here than 99% of the posters in this section of the forum.

Harte

You are being too generous with the knowledge you give the 1%. I would daresay you and Hanslune are the 2 most knowledgable "experts" of the forum. Slayer is the only other person that sticks out with me.

Byrd, Kandisky, JohnnyCanuck, Slayer and many, many others contribute much to this board and I learn a great deal from the postings here, unfortunately 95% of what is presented here is a rehashed of fringe stuff that was debunked decades ago....but every once in awhile something not new age, fringy or lacking in reality is posted and those are great.

Sigh, I should have included Byrd as well, mindfart. I enjoy your posts more than the others you named (I named Slayer!). I also enjoy Slayer's delving into the fringe, but not mindlessly so as we see so much on this forum.

Oh yea Byrd. Byrd was trying a while back to use Carl Jung to explain why a certain theme was used around the world. I argued that it was to complex to discount common exposure.....and Byrd tossed the facts in favor of a Jungian explaination. Jung.....the mystical side of established archaeological research....voodoo.

And this Johnny Canuck fellow, he and I had a row about copper use found in america in historical times. I showed him two cases were very early explorers found tribes on the east coast using cooper ax. I dug that info up myself from the journals of very early east cost explorers. And not from one source and the findings have never be published by another researcher that I have ever seen. So it wasnt someone else work. And I did it at my own expence.....how so? Because the diffusionists, which I am one, have said for years that the art of making copper was lost in America a long time ago. I showed this foundational part of the diffusionists platform was wrong to show that I wasnt a mindless fringe dweller.

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Most may be a better word to use , i was under the impression that differing pyramids had had their cement proven to be same/similar make up, latest souce for that material was Clif High's latest work but maybe this is not common knowledge or incorrect, i will dig a little deeper , lsol

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I would be interested in you finding a legitimate source for this.

Originally posted by Hanslune

Mud brick was their answer to the fromer use of very large stone. The knowlege of moving and working large stone was protected by a guild of builders and so this having been lost resorted to what they did know and that was mud brick. The then over the years moved on to stone but only the point that it was humanly possible to handle the stone. The big stone moving tech had been lost as it is even to this day. Just some thoughts.

Mud brick preceded working with stone, we can move large stones now. I don't get your point here.

A domestic crisis looms here so will continue tomorrow

Well my position on this is that mud brick did not precede the use of large carved stone. It would seem logical that it did as man progressed down the road in building technology but it simply isnt the case in my HO. Once man did start using carved stone again they use much smaller stone than the multi-ton stones we find used around the world. I hold like some others that the great pyramid for example was not made by the mud brick boys or the small stone pile boys.

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So when is the first occurance of small bricks being used, and when is the first occurance of these large stones you refer to?

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
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So when is the first occurance of small bricks being used, and when is the first occurance of these large stones you refer to?

Look man if you dont already know what i am talking about then this is just going to be over your head anyway.

Originally posted by AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS
Wow Hanslune, your still here attacking people with your outdated "facts". First lets clear the air, I don't care how many quotes you use of other people that don't have their facts together, The Pyramids were not tombs. No bodies were ever found in them.

The Ancient Egyptians stated many times that the pyramids are tombs. The pyramids each have a temple to their respective interred personage, usually a king, that represents a funerary temple in a style recognizable in temples associated with other, occupied, tombs.

Snipping out the irredeemable ignorance here.

Originally posted by AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARSLike the Dogon, who claim they descend from The "egyptian" High priest, and alchemist about 8,000 years ago.

I've read ten or so different versions of the Dogon creation myth (they vary.) I can state here that I've never seen any reason to believe that the Dogon actually claim what you say. So, why are you saying it? To misinform?

Originally posted by chishuppu
Interesting thread is interesting despite the Harte guy on a serious debunk mission. I love a good debate, but we have to come to common grounds somewhere, some guys go lalallalalalalalallala full time.

Just the facts. I'm on no "debunking mission" per se, just trying to ensure that you become aware that you are supporting a con man with an economic agenda.

Originally posted by chishuppuTo all you know how people, does the fact that the Earth spinning anticlockwise have any effects on dates and times since the smarter guys would have been reading it correct

I see that, with you at least, I'm certainly wasting my time.
After all, the Earth doesn't spin anticlockwise unless you have a bias for a northern viewpoint. That suggests the complete and utter absence of thought processes on your part. That, or the complete and utter refusal to think.

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
You are being too generous with the knowledge you give the 1%. I would daresay you and Hanslune are the 2 most knowledgable "experts" of the forum. Slayer is the only other person that sticks out with me.

Conversely, you on the other hand appear to have an extremely discerning mind!

No, really. I'm gratified to be included with Hans and Slayer. I think we all know that Slayer does far more work here than Hans and I put together.

But I don't consider myself as on par with them or Byrd or Kandinski, etc. (all those named by Hans.)
I'm just someone that's been looking at fringe claims for a long time, and much of that time as someone trying to convince myself that some fringe claims are true. Once I had established that none that I examined were true, I started trying to share what I've found.

But thanks!

Harte

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04


Sigh, I should have included Byrd as well, mindfart. I enjoy your posts more than the others you named (I named Slayer!). I also enjoy Slayer's delving into the fringe, but not mindlessly so as we see so much on this forum.

Getting into debunked info, if you look at the picture on the cover of the book a few posts back it is the debunked photoshopped image of "energy" coming from a pyramid. About all you need to see to know what this guy's angle is, and it's not truth.

Hey she's been busy on her PhD so hasn't been around alot but I 'see' her over at the Hall of Ma'at more often. There are lots of people who have more narrow areas of expertise and they contribute less but of much higher quality. We apologize for not mentioning them....like Blackmarketeer and others!!

Oh good old 'vectron' new age energy (I call it that to differentiate it from real energy), The New age religion has thousands of different 'sects' and cults are to keep track of them all

Originally posted by Logarock


Well my position on this is that mud brick did not precede the use of large carved stone. It would seem logical that it did as man progressed down the road in building technology but it simply isnt the case in my HO. Once man did start using carved stone again they use much smaller stone than the multi-ton stones we find used around the world. I hold like some others that the great pyramid for example was not made by the mud brick boys or the small stone pile boys.

Hmmmm so let me get your timeline right instead of the evidenced development of construction from

Wood
Mudbrick
Stone

You believe it is

Wood
Big stones - if you could would you define what you consider big stones?
~~~~~~~~~something (what is it that you think happened here?)
mudbrick
small stones

Okay if that is a correct understanding - please show evidence that supports this? How do you account for the Mesopotamian and Harrappan civilizations which were mainly mud and burnt mud brick built?

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by Wolfenz


The Ancient World One Civililzation

Artifacts, Atlantis and the route to the sea
www.atlantisbolivia.org...


Comparison of Pryamids
en.wikipedia.org...:Comparison_of_pyramids.svg&page=1

Your second link didn't work I believe this is what you wanted to link to

Corrected link

On the First link, not signs of a single 'civilization' similar looking pottery from a range of thousands of years, all much later than Plato's dating of Atlantis. People often solve problems with the similar solutions. To have a practical pottery bowl you need to stay within certain perimeters

Same thing for pyramids, its the easiest way to get a raised platform, again thousands of years between the times of construction - and for different reasons

edit on 9/11/12 by Hanslune because: (no reason given)

thanks for fixing up the link ..

well maybe not just before platos dating of atlantis

but there are similaritys before Ericson ,Columbus & Cortez

at least the Roman Greek & Egyptain Persian ( Assyarian/Sumar ) at its Prime

What im saying is a Possible World Traffic Trade Route

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Hey Wolfenz

We have examples of international trade in ancient times; for example the Roman trade with India, Chinese silk trade with Europe and the Middle East, the trade in Tin, Peruian trade with Mesoamerica, etc

These leave traces at both ends, artifacts, structures, etc, there is no sign of a world wide however

I didn't quite understand your comment on Eric, Columbus and Cortez could you explain further?

Example of an ancient trade port

Arikamedu is an archaeological site near Pondicherry, southern India, where Mortimer Wheeler conducted his best-known excavation in the 1940s. Arikamedu - 'Arikan-medu or Poduke’ which literally means, ‘eroding mound’. According to Wheeler, Arikamedu was a Tamil fishing village which was formerly a major Chola port dedicated to bead making and trading with Roman traders. Various Roman artifacts, such as a large number of amphorae bearing the mark of Roman potter schools VIBII, CAMURI and ITTA, have been found at the site, supporting the view on an ancient trade between Rome and the ancient Tamil country of present day south India. Now Arikamedu is a part of Ariyankuppam Commune. Arikamedu was an important bead making centre.

More details

another view of the trade

International trade leaves detectable archaeological traces.

Now an odd ship might have drifted across (as we know happened in historic times for ships from NW asia to NE NA), or came by choice but these exceptions left no detectable effect that we have found at this time

Originally posted by Mary Rose
On Amazon it says that Osmanagic is the author of 11 books about ancient civilizations.

Here is an excerpt of the Book Description for his book Pyramids Around the World:

Publication Date: May 5, 2012

. . . In 2008, Dr. Osmanagich hosted an archaeological conference in Sarajevo which fueled controversy about his discovery dividing the archaeological community. He will host the second archaeological conference in September of 2012 in Sarajevo.

Excavation on the vast complex has been ongoing and run by his non-profit Archaeological Park: Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun Foundation since 2006 compiling more and more evidence to validate his claims. To date the excavation has yielded 5 pyramids of various sizes as well as a vast labyrinth of underground tunnels and a pyramid that is 30% larger than the largest structure on the Giza Plateau.

Dr. Osmanagich is principal investigator of this project which has yielded some of the pioneering electromagnetic measurements in the pyramids. . . .

Apparently the September of 2012 date is a typo because I see on his website that there is a "Hidden History" Conference and Tour coming up in September of 2013.

I was just watching The Pyramid Code on Netflix. I found some very interesting bits in it.

I agree with much of what is suggested.

I also like the guy talking about links with Dogon culture and the things he found. Here are two of his books on Amazon, I have them on my wish list for when i have some spare money.
This was referenced in the videos: Sacred Symbols of the Dogon: The Key to Advanced Science in the Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphs
Here is another one which is on kindle: The Science of the Dogon: Decoding the African Mystery Tradition