Dr. Semir Osmanagich Regarding Pyramids Found All Over the World

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by Logarock


Well my position on this is that mud brick did not precede the use of large carved stone. It would seem logical that it did as man progressed down the road in building technology but it simply isnt the case in my HO. Once man did start using carved stone again they use much smaller stone than the multi-ton stones we find used around the world. I hold like some others that the great pyramid for example was not made by the mud brick boys or the small stone pile boys.

Hmmmm so let me get your timeline right instead of the evidenced development of construction from

Wood
Mudbrick
Stone

You believe it is

Wood
Big stones - if you could would you define what you consider big stones?
~~~~~~~~~something (what is it that you think happened here?)
mudbrick
small stones

Okay if that is a correct understanding - please show evidence that supports this? How do you account for the Mesopotamian and Harrappan civilizations which were mainly mud and burnt mud brick built?

edit on 12/11/12 by Hanslune because: (no reason given)

Its simple in one aspect, the great pyramid for one is older that the mud brick civilizations.

reply to post by Logarock


One of the oldest known mudbrick site is Tell Abu Hureyra, a Pre-Pottery Neolithic B from circa 9,000 BC.

Let me guess you think the Khufu's tomb was built in 10,500 BC?

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
reply to post by Logarock

 

So when is the first occurance of small bricks being used, and when is the first occurance of these large stones you refer to?

Look man if you dont already know what i am talking about then this is just going to be over your head anyway.

That response is a telltale sign of a lost argument. My question stands if you choose to answer.

reply to post by Harte


Well perhaps on the broader stage you are less knowledgable, but it is clear that when you speak you know what you are speaking about, and you do not speak about things you do not know. That is the motto I try to live by as well and I respect it greatly. I think you and Slayer serve different purposes here on this forum, and they are complimentary purposes. That is what makes a great forum, different people serving different functions keeping things interesting.

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
reply to post by Harte

 

Well perhaps on the broader stage you are less knowledgable, but it is clear that when you speak you know what you are speaking about, and you do not speak about things you do not know. That is the motto I try to live by as well and I respect it greatly. I think you and Slayer serve different purposes here on this forum, and they are complimentary purposes. That is what makes a great forum, different people serving different functions keeping things interesting.

It's probably the attitude that I display.

I post here for my own enjoyment, a fact that the people that whine about my responses fail to grasp.

But thanks.

Harte

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I for one have learned a great deal from Harte - and he is the man when you need an answer on whether a document alleged to be 'ancient' Indian is modern or actually old

Stop with the compliments guys before I decide to take aim at you!

Harte

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No compliments? Okay

Your lasagna tastes like the culus of a decayed rhino

Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by Harte

 

No compliments? Okay

Your lasagna tastes like the culus of a decayed rhino

I said stop with the compliments about me

My lasagna is to die for. You wouldn't know, though, since you're so old your taste buds are dead.

Harte

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by Harte

 

No compliments? Okay

Your lasagna tastes like the culus of a decayed rhino

I said stop with the compliments about me

My lasagna is to die for. You wouldn't know, though, since you're so old your taste buds are dead.

Harte

I've heard different - from the folks who found out why you have a retching trough outside your house

I scoff at your attempt at humour and note, disparagingly, that even the cockaroaches throw your lasagna at one another

Dr. Semir Osmanagic Regarding Pyramids Found All Over the World

Regarding the OP: Os-magic announced Pyramids in Bosnia around the turn of the century. 12 years later he has yet to provide any sort of evidence for them. Having no such evidence he is now shifting his talk to "other pyramids all over the world" in order to deflect from his huge Failure to provide some meat.

I don't doubt there are yet undiscovered pyramids out there, but osmanagic is not really the go-to guy for this.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Dr. Semir Osmanagic Regarding Pyramids Found All Over the World

Regarding the OP: Os-magic announced Pyramids in Bosnia around the turn of the century. 12 years later he has yet to provide any sort of evidence for them. Having no such evidence he is now shifting his talk to "other pyramids all over the world" in order to deflect from his huge Failure to provide some meat.

I don't doubt there are yet undiscovered pyramids out there, but osmanagic is not really the go-to guy for this.

Well said Skyfloating-long time no read, yes there are finding pyramid (or raised mounds) in South America, Asia, even in Egypt still, this guy is long on new age jargon but short on archaeological or geological evidence

Originally posted by Hanslune

Well said Skyfloating-long time no read, yes there are finding pyramid (or raised mounds) in South America, Asia, even in Egypt still, this guy is long on new age jargon but short on archaeological or geological evidence

edit on 15/11/12 by Hanslune because: (no reason given)

Good to see you're still around.

(Sorry for the slightly off-topic one-liner Mods, I havent seen Hanslune, my old nemesis in ages).

Geez, Sky, what happened?

You went into hibernation and came out a skeptic?

Harte

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
reply to post by Logarock

 

So when is the first occurance of small bricks being used, and when is the first occurance of these large stones you refer to?

Look man if you dont already know what i am talking about then this is just going to be over your head anyway.

That response is a telltale sign of a lost argument. My question stands if you choose to answer.

At some point maybe in the 3rd grade, you are no longer required to answer simple math questions like what is 2+2. And you have been on ATS long enough and/or otherwise know the subject in its broad coverage to know what large worked stones from around the world are at issue.

Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by Logarock

 

One of the oldest known mudbrick site is Tell Abu Hureyra, a Pre-Pottery Neolithic B from circa 9,000 BC.

Let me guess you think the Khufu's tomb was built in 10,500 BC?

edit on 13/11/12 by Hanslune because: (no reason given)

The Romans used a lot of brick and there are Roman brick structures still standing. Brick has always been in. Even at that we cant say that the great pyramid represents progression. Theres no antecedence. In fact theres no progression from that point.

And they certainly dont know that this was Khufu's tomb. In fact the idea looks like a fraud.

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by Logarock

 

One of the oldest known mudbrick site is Tell Abu Hureyra, a Pre-Pottery Neolithic B from circa 9,000 BC.

Let me guess you think the Khufu's tomb was built in 10,500 BC?

edit on 13/11/12 by Hanslune because: (no reason given)

The Romans used a lot of brick and there are Roman brick structures still standing. Brick has always been in. Even at that we cant say that the great pyramid represents progression. Theres no antecedence. In fact theres no progression from that point.

And they certainly dont know that this was Khufu's tomb. In fact the idea looks like a fraud.

There is a difference between a mud brick, a fired mud brick and brick, a brick is made of clay and is pretty much indestructible, fired mud brick is made of mud and fired, it isn't as strong nor as lasting as a clay brick, mud brick dissolves in water over time.

You mean other than the pyamids built before it and after it? Sure there not a lot of evidence that its Khufu's but what evidence there is greatly outweighs the evidence for anythign else, which is nil

How is the idea a 'fraud'?

Okay in your mind what is the age of all the pyramids and who made them?....and why can't we find evidence of this culture?

You might want to remember biggest and best doesn't mean first, look at St Pauls, biggest and best of the churches and yet not the first nor the last

reply to post by Hanslune



This is above top secret. This is the place where we discuss the things that are "above" the mainstream academia, not in theory but in fact.

The pyramids were tombs if they weren't where did they bury the Pharaohs? I recommend you read about the AE religion that is the context you are missing

If this was the case, we would see far more pyramids than we see today. I know there are many still under the sands but that wouldn't still be enough. Are you really convinced that these structures are tombs? The step pyramid, the red pyramid and the other pyramids around the world were built as tombs only? What if they were not have you ever researched that possibility instead eating whatever has been placed on your spoon??

Oh really and what and how did they do that? lol

Your laughing, instead of brushing me off you should just consider it for a minute. Do a little research on the subject. The giza pyramids are a power center and purposely built on top of aquifers. The materials that were chosen, were picked because certain properties they possess. They were built like a modern day wire. Get your laughs out and please go research it, you will appreciate it.

Then you should be able to accept being wrong without difficulty

I am wrong because I am aware of certain facts that you may have not encountered. ATS'ers always do this, because they are NOT aware of something that makes the poster wrong. This is juvenile in so many ways. Rather than research to prove the person wrong you sit on a high hill, like you know everything there is to know about the subject.

Actually they did all the evidence points to that, but then your ship seems to have sailed in to Denial Bay, Australia

The Mayans, Aztecs, and Egyptians did not build the pyramids. They used them for whatever purposes they wanted to. I am sorry this is vastly different from your high school text books but the truth is out there, you have to go get it.

Sorry I'm not a scientist, I'm just someone who uses the scientific method, but thanks for getting to a point it was getting rather hazy there for awhile

I never said you were one. But to a certain degree we are all scientist. By definition if you use the scientific method that makes you a scientist. You don't need a white coat for that buddy.


I wanted to address the issues and clear the air. There is always something new to learn. When I am in conversations and blogs like this, I like to think outside of the box. I get tired of the old recycled theories that people regurgitate. People the best thing you could ever do is think for yourself. There is so much to learn about the giza plateau but, you can fill your glass with facts if it is already full of theories.

Now Harte

The Ancient Egyptians stated many times that the pyramids are tombs. The pyramids each have a temple to their respective interred personage, usually a king, that represents a funerary temple in a style recognizable in temples associated with other, occupied, tombs.

The ancient Egyptians never stated that. But what is more apparent is the fact, the Egyptians did NOT build the pyramids. The Egyptians are not even the indiginous, autochthons of the land. They inhabited the area just as the United States inhabits a land that had structures, and a way of life prior to their arrival. Same goes for egypt.

I've read ten or so different versions of the Dogon creation myth (they vary.) I can state here that I've never seen any reason to believe that the Dogon actually claim what you say. So, why are you saying it? To misinform?

There are plenty of other misinformers on the site, reciting old washed up theories, everything I present is thought provoking and very "above" the mainstream "theories". It is very funny to me, on the previous page another gentlemen(pg 5. Pianopraze) mentioned the not so known fact about the dogon being related to the ancient Kemites that occupied the region we now call egypt. I am talking about sciences, practices, and language. There has been so much effort and evidence that suggest the dogon actually have the key to unlocking the mysteries of the hieroglyphs. I am not here to make anyone a believer because belief deals in blind faith. The facts are out there you have to go get them, no one on this site or studying this subject is a child. I refuse to spoon feed anyone. I am saying this to inform.

In ancient egypt(kmt) traditions it is said the original pharoah had the power to turn night to day. This is an ancient reference to the power and electricity that was harnessed to light up the Giza plateau and many other areas. The diamond at the top of the pyramid was not there just to be there. Everything was done skillfully and purposefully

...continued.

I just wanted to comment on the energy beam. I am not certain if it is real but, I know for certain there are plenty of pictures around that show thousands of orbs around them. I don't remember the name of the movie but it deals roughly with a magician that built a machine to clone himself. Can anyone help me on that?? Any way there was a scene in the movie where he put a light bulb into the ground and it lit up. This was taken from Tesla, but he was inspired and learned about it from Kemet (egypt). Energy could be harnessed from thin air which offers ideas to suggest why there was never any soot found inside the pyramid and why they are shown holding a light bulb that was not plugged in, which was tested by the way. GO RESEARCH IT.
Peace to all.

Originally posted by AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS
reply to post by Hanslune

 

If this was the case, we would see far more pyramids than we see today.

Why? Only key pharaohs built ‘full sized ones’ and a few were built for queens, daughters and sons

Are you really convinced that these structures are tombs?

Already stated, my being convinced isn’t the point, it was the AE who built them as tombs, somehow you need to convince the world that the AE didn’t follow their own religion

The step pyramid, the red pyramid and the other pyramids around the world were built as tombs only?

AE pyramids were built as tombs, in other places they were primarily temples and occasionally used as tombs, depends on the culture

What if they were not have you ever researched that possibility instead eating whatever has been placed on your spoon?

I appear to know more about the subject than you do based on how you are asking the questions

Your laughing, instead of brushing me off you should just consider it for a minute. Do a little research on the subject. The giza pyramids are a power center and purposely built on top of aquifers.

Still laughing, again where are the Pharaohs buried? Do you actually know anything about the AE religion and how they viewed death?

The materials that were chosen, were picked because certain properties they possess. They were built like a modern day wire. Get your laughs out and please go research it, you will appreciate it.

I’m aware of the scores and scores of alternative and fringe theories, most are based on denial, a shockingly limited knowledge of AE culture and sheer belief. So I have researched them and found them....limited and unevidenced

I am wrong because I am aware of certain facts that you may have not encountered. ATS'ers always do this, because they are NOT aware of something that makes the poster wrong. This is juvenile in so many ways. Rather than research to prove the person wrong you sit on a high hill, like you know everything there is to know about the subject.

No I’m not claiming to know everything about the subject, but you are claiming that not only were the ancients wrong, the AE were wrong and everyone since is wrong too……but you are right...lol

The Mayans, Aztecs, and Egyptians did not build the pyramids. They used them for whatever purposes they wanted to. I am sorry this is vastly different from your high school text books but the truth is out there, you have to go get it.

Oh my making wrong assumptions, you simply don’t know what you are talking about. Essentially all you’ve done is pound your chest and make fringe comments - that really don't work

Got any of that evidence to back any of this up?

You can start with explaining where the AE put their Pharaohs

The Egyptians are not even the indiginous, autochthons of the land. They inhabited the area just as the United States inhabits a land that had structures, and a way of life prior to their arrival. Same goes for egypt.

You really need to read about the peoples of the Neolithic Nile valley and pre-dynastic Egypt