Looks as if Mr Obama has won ... How do you feel about that?

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Ummm......Does anybody else get the feeling that the OP is a BOT....go through the posts and read the questions, they seem.........generated or contrived...
So, Brit Bot............no I'm not happy, it sux to be us, or US. My asperations are in line with Kat and Big Fat Furry.
Can you say Li-ber-tarian, from the root.....Liberty?

YouSir

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happy that a few of the more extreme voices got overrun by saner candidates.

Part of me wants to tread lightly because you are a Mod, and the other part of me wants to know how voting for doctor assisted suicide and sending our country over a cliff fiscally by spending on entitlements is saner than cutting spending?

Originally posted by TrueBrit
Thats something I didnt understand when I was watching the election coverage on BBC. The pundits and commentators were saying that various Republican faces had been caught saying really terrible things, really awful horrible things about women, about hispanics, about everything and everyone near enough. I could not understand why these people were saying these things at all, let alone during a campaign! Who was that supposed to appeal to, you know?

That's actually indicative of their real mindset -- AND the belief that "everyone is like me." They don't have much understanding that there are other people with different opinions and experiences ... who can vote and have their votes counted. Many of them are simply fabricating facts that support their viewpoint. In the case of Todd Akin's "legitimate rape" he is someone who doesn't know beans about biology and human reproduction, pontificating and building on what he's been told about abortions, contraception, and the "morning after" pills. His information sources are "misinformation sources" ... but they support what he feels is ethical and right, so he accepts their misunderstandings as truth.

I have always wondered how the poor can be considered lazy, when they work so hard to remain poor, rather than functionally destitute!

People here have a very dysfunctional view of the poor. I live in suburbia though... but most of them think of welfare recipients as non working lazy people with their hands out... Welfare rules vary from state to state.. in my state you do not get any kind of assistance if you don't have a job or not in one of the work programs run by the state... most people don't understand it and think "Billy Bob" is just too lazy to go get a job and why should I have to pay for him and his kids... Like they hand welfare money out to anyone who ask for it.. which is NOT the case at all.. Nor can one provide or shelter oneself never mind a family on any kind of assistance... ask any disabled person or elder recipient and you will see how completely miserable one is.. it's not a posh life of free this and free that.. and geez lets take the kids to disney world this year... but they look at anyone who gets any kind of assistance as a leach to the hard working people of america.. oh and one is dumb if one is poor as well... thats really any social worker you will talk too.. and yes i've come across some that truly didn't understand basic concepts but more and more I am finding more poor middle class people who once had good jobs come in for assistance... smart people who can only find min. wage jobs if any at all..

Originally posted by TrueBrit
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Can I ask a question about your opinion on the "minority" vote? If the so called minority vote is correctly named, how the hell can it affect an election?

If its only the "minorities" that have voted Obama, or have pulled the election for Obama, then surely they are no longer technically minorities, but part of a new majority?

Certain minorities did influence the election greatly. But like people on Fox news (which I may stop watching after this) said, the landscape of this country has changed a great deal due to the heavy influx of illegals voting and getting a voice through elected officials, and the upsurge of Marxist ideology through the brainwashing and indoctrination of young people in the colleges and even in grade school. This was all part of the plan going back to the late 1800's when Yale Skull and Crossbones started using and promoting Hegelian dialectic and Dewey Statist educational systems.

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Well, you learn something new every day, and that there is my thing for the day! Thanks very much for that !! I felt pretty bad for starting this thread earlier, but I feel like aside from the deeper understanding of ground level veiws on politics, I have also managed to achieve one of my goals for the day, that being pick up one bit of utterly random trivia a day!

Really appreciate it, and of course your insights into things as they stand where you are.

Originally posted by gnosticagnostic
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Flying the stars and stripes upside down is a show of disrespect... anarchy and rebellion... at least it used to be... half mast is mourning to us as well..

Ummm.........Wrongo jackwagon...flying the stripes inverted is a sign of distress and was meant to inform that........has nothing to do with disrespect or anarchy or rebellion...........although it might...it just might
and you just might have the most ignorant knowing name on ATS......

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Welfare recipients who get section 8 housing and welfare for each baby they have, stay home and live on food stamps and energy assistance from teh powerw companies, whether by laziness or by not seeming to be able to pull themselves out of the trap they have been mired in.

Spending in Congress and the WH and more entitlements and higher taxes is not going to make it any better because the more spending there is the higher the inflation goes and they will be stuck having to pay more for everything. It will take more food stamps to buy that can of Campbell's soup.

Discussions of Nepotism aside, of loyalties to the military-industrial complex, of no political will on both sides to change any critical aspects of the status quo, of common subservience to the banking pharaohs, or even the ilusion of choice and representation in today's so called democracies.
Aside from all that, as far as i'm concerned, Obama's electoral victory was a moral failure. Such a narrow margin of votes, completely proves that people haven't the first clue of who actually constitutes a decent president. Might aswell toss a coin. To almost elect Romney as the "leader of the free world" is the equivalent of giving the nuclear red button to a retard. I'm still in shock of how many people saw in him a potential leader. Regardless of all the things that make them equally bad presidents, at least Obama can articulate a sentence without contradicting the previous thing said. Does it make him just a better liar? Maybe. It does however make me feel a little better when those trying to lie to me respect my intelligence enough to be sufficiently coherent, instead of presuming the audience (the american people) is just too mentally handicapped to notice.
We came very close to electing a third Bush! That scares the sh*t out of me!

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I find your suggestion that I am some sort of virtual construct quite entertaining, but as hilarious as your error is, an error it remains. It would be unfair (and against my programming ) to allow you to go on believing something like that!

As it happens I am a locksmith from the south of England, right on the estuary of the Thames river. I am currently watching Forensic Files on Five USA (one of my favourite channels on our package) and nursing a mild fever, and a mucus producing cough and cold, as I have done for the last two days.

If my responses appear formulaic, or stunted, I must point out that I havent had anything approaching normal sleep for two or three days, and pretty much NONE last night, beacuse I stayed up on the internet/watching US election coverage on the BBC, hence the thread. Sorry if I am comming across all HAL9000 on you, its not intentional, or an indicator of my machine status.

Originally posted by YouSir

Originally posted by gnosticagnostic
reply to post by TrueBrit

 

Flying the stars and stripes upside down is a show of disrespect... anarchy and rebellion... at least it used to be... half mast is mourning to us as well..

Ummm.........Wrongo jackwagon...flying the stripes inverted is a sign of distress and was meant to inform that........has nothing to do with disrespect or anarchy or rebellion...........although it might...it just might
and you just might have the most ignorant knowing name on ATS......

i thought that too... but thats what dude next door said.. kinda sad i believed him now hahaha... in any case.. thats why he said he was flyin it like that..

The country will be ruined with to much federal government crap with Obama and he will ruin the wealth of this country.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Part of me wants to tread lightly because you are a Mod, and the other part of me wants to know how voting for doctor assisted suicide and sending our country over a cliff fiscally by spending on entitlements is saner than cutting spending?

I voted in Texas.

"Doctor assisted suicide" was not on the books here -- I am somewhat neutral on this touchy situation. I was listening to a radio program about Henrietta Lacks and her death by cancer (they stuffed towels in her mouth to quiet her screams) and I can sympathize with someone asking to "get it over with, please." I have read about other countries where assisted suicide is permitted -- but it isn't on the books here, so that wasn't an election issue that I voted on.

As to "sending our country over a fiscal cliff", I am hoping that some of the Congresscritters (Mitch McConnell) who said their urgent mission was to ensure that every proposal of Obama's, no matter what it was would fail have mostly been voted out.

I want politicians who can work together and get a consensus that addresses the needs of the many, not the ideology of the few.

These problems are VERY complex (in sociology, this is called a "superwicked problem" (an interesting thing -- do look it up in Wikipedia)) -- and we see a lot of shallow thinkers running around with vague or simplistic solutions. That's like running up to the scene of a very bad car wreck with a single tiny bandaid and shouting "don't worry, folks! I've got this one! This will fix it!"

Your mileage may vary. That's why we have elections.

I feel like I live in a casino, because the election was rigged.

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It's very annoying, anything in main stream media is directed toward the election for at least 6 months ahead of time and all they do is talk about the two candidates they want it narrowed down to while at the same time making any other nominees look like idiots and if they can't do that they simply ignore them.

Then after the lengthy process of being fed a bunch crap by the media the majority of people in America usually vote for one of the two nominees from one of our two dominate political parties because even if they don't like either candidate they will vote for the least crappy of the two because they believe no third party can win or they are simply ignorant of other candidates/nominees and simply don't educate themselves to think outside of the two party system.

As the election comes by many people feel this way, older people usually vote republican because of economic reasons they feel like democrats are a bunch of hippies that want to spread socialism and most younger people vote for Obama because they feel like Bush (a republican) got us into this economic hole we are in. Both of them are not entirely right nor are they entirely wrong.

However, if you talk to other Americans like myself you'll find that a surprising amount of people have very little faith in the reality of the election. Some people don't think it matters who you vote for as the agendas played out by the victor are usually the same even if they are presented differently. I tend to have this jaded view. The truth is the two candidates it is narrowed down to in the end are usually determined by their financial backing and unfortunately a lot of that financial backing also influences their political decisions heavily even if they never indicate this publicly it becomes pretty obvious when you look at some of their political maneuvers and who gains most from them.

Basically it feels like a huge propaganda campaign for six months then we get d!cked with a someone who won't really help us either due to a lack of resolve on the part of Americans to make a change because they don't feel they have the power to do so by voting for a third party or because it doesn't matter how Americans vote because we get d!cked either way by something akin to the NWO/Illuminati/corporations controlling the election from behind the scenes. Either way you slice it, the result is crappy. I myself voted for a third party because I believe if you actually want to make change you have to vote with your beliefs instead of preconceived ideas of defeat but I doubt very many people voted the way I did. Even though I also sort of believe my vote probably made or will make very little difference of the outcome politically.

I am extremely annoyed with Obama's re-election. I was not pro Romney, but I was very anti-Obama and here's why:

Under Obama:

welfare has gone up 11%.
Foodstamps have gone up 44%.
Spending up 41.45% every day.

I am angry at people who think this is Bush's debt. Let's break that down. www.usdebtclock.org... says that the current U.S national debt is roughly $16.229 trillion. If we look at today’s date in 2008, the nation debt was roughly $10.469 trillion. When Bush took office, the national debt was roughly $5.680 trillion. This means that from 2001 – 2009, president Bush spent approx. $4.789 trillion. That is over 8 years. Obama’s first term is from 2009 – 2013. That means Obama has spent approx. $5.76 trillion. Let’s break this down even more.

4,789,000,000,000 in 2,920 days. (8 years) That is about $1,640,068,493.15 per day under Bush.
5,760,000,000,000 in 1,456 days. (4 years – keep in mind Obama’s first term isn’t over until a little under 3 months from now) That is about $3,956,043,956.04 per day. That means Obama spends 41.45% more than Bush did, every day.

I do not believe how some people do not see this. I believe we have lost the country. I am pro-constitution, pro-private property. I am anti-obamacare and anti-welfare. Do you know what Obamacare says to me? It tells me I shouldn't go work hard for a paycheck for my family, for my wants, or for my dreams. I should do it so someone can have something for free. Under Obama, success is punished and frowned upon, and being reliant on the government means you're a saint.

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Unfortunately CNN, Fox, NBC, other news services and quite a number of people on here disagree with you. Of course the definition of minority matters and as I have seen repeatedly today it seems that minority is anyone who is not an old white male. That includes you as a minority if you are a female of any color. Add enough minorities together and you have a majority of minorities. Actually many said rich old white male. This shows how the divisions have been done by Obama. Rich=class warfare. Old=age warfare. white designates race warfare. Male designates sexual warfare. As the pundits on all of the news channels all say the same thing in effect anyone who was not rich, who was young, who was non-white, or was female are declared minorities. Again most said at least earlier in the day that rich old white males are no longer a factor in elections. They seem to be backpedaling at this time though but they also denigrated all those others in the Republican party by saying it was composed ONLY of rich old white men. Young Republicans do not exist, female Republicans do not exist, black Republicans do not exist, Hispanic Republicans do not exist. lol. You are correct in your statement that haters will be haters. Now at least we know who is being set up to be hated.

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I am anti-obamacare and anti-welfare. Do you know what Obamacare says to me? It tells me I shouldn't go work hard for a paycheck for my family, for my wants, or for my dreams. I should do it so someone can have something for free. Under Obama, success is punished and frowned upon, and being reliant on the government means you're a saint.

Are you just as vehemently against our public school system?

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The campaign was way too long. I think a lot of people are glad it's over. I know in my case, I was bombarded by recorded phone calls in support of Romney. What was really ridiculous, they didn't even address my by my correct name. I'm a guy, and they addressed my by the name of Sarah. My wife's name isn't even Sarah.

Our country really needs campaign reform. It's become a dog and pony show. Too much bickering, lying and deceit. In the end, the majority of voters in the U.S. don't even know anything about the candidate. Lets face it, not too many people like politicians so why would they spend their time researching the candidate and their views on the issues. Most people don't think their votes count, so they really don't care who wins.

When you live in the most powerful democracy in the free world, you would think they would allow the voices outside the two major parties to be heard. Our political system here is really being controlled by big money, special interest groups and the two major political parties.