Looks as if Mr Obama has won ... How do you feel about that?

Originally posted by TrueBrit
reply to post by gnosticagnostic

 

Can you tell me what you mean by red? I mean, in my nation red either means Labour or communist (not the same thing by any means), and the election broadcast calls red states, those that were taken by the republicans, so any pointers you can give on your specific meaning would be awesome!

Red states are republican .. where the electorial votes went to the GOP candidate... Blue States are liberal/democratic states. ( states that went to Obama)

The country is lost....

I did how ever stay in a Holiday Inn Express.

No matter the farce, in my people, in my country, I still believe. We always had only the illusion of evils to choose from. We never chose them. We chose us. Vote no vote, no matter what. We are who we are, regardless of who "leads" us.

The face of Barack Obama will appear alongside those of FDR and LBJ on Mt. Rushmore.

These are the three liberal presidents who did something big, something irreversible, in expanding the role of the federal government and altering the relation between citizens and the state.

reply to post by TrueBrit


I have avoided this thread as for some reason it rather pissed me off. Now that I see you are not an American, it is a bit more tolerable but really a rude question to ask just the same. It is not yours or anyone's business how "I" personally feel at this time.

The winner of the election makes no difference whatsoever. The president is a puppet that is placed before the sheeple, to make them believe they have some control, they don't. The secret agenda continues unabated and people are encouraged to fully engage the nonsense, that is erroneously called reality.

The republic is done. Now that enough people are on the dole, coupled with the special illegal immigrant rights, union worker blockheads who cant see past the next NFL game, and racist minority voting blocs, traditional American values will never win an election.

I will probably never vote again, but I will use my pocketbook and time to only support businesses and people that are like minded. We have created a boycott list of a few smaller, local businesses that are economically vulnerable and could be affected by denial of patronage. (Easy to identify, as Obama supporters love keeping signs and stickers up) It will be hand circulated, friend to friend, and hopefully a small grassroots movement could take hold. It seems petty, but after word gets around that a business or two has been hurt, maybe they'll realize political choices have a direct effect on their livelihood. I figure if small groups of people started local lists of their own, we could have a great cumulative effect. Maybe then we could go after big corporate Obama supporter, like GE or Progressive insurance.

I will definitely go out of my way to cross a union picket line. Also, my friends and I have decided to purge our social group of any Obama supporters. Not welcome around us - please hang out somewhere else. I will also let any business or person know why they are losing business or friendship. After you get confronted so many times, you will become weary and embarrassed of your views - the same tactic they used on Bush supporters.

Sorry if it sounds bitterly spiteful and partisan, but a lot of yanks take this seriously, and it is the day after the election.

Liberty or Death!

reply to post by antar


Im very sorry that you feel offended by my thread, and I can assure you that it was not my intention to offend when I created it. Of course, you must feel free, if it makes you so uncomfortable, to limit your participation in this thread if you must. I completely understand why you might feel so strongly, as the last election we had here in Britain was a bloody disgrace, and had a result that no one wanted.

The only reason I created this thread was to gain some understanding of what REAL people think about the outcome, rather than hanging on the words of mainstream media figures and sources, who we all know are biased in some way, no matter which side of a political divide the editorship might reside on. In an effort to deny my OWN ignorance, I thought this might be a good way of gaining that understanding of real values, and real thinking amongst the people whos lives will be effected by the nature of the leadership of the US.

Again, I apologise for any offence this threads existance has cause you, or any other member. If I am made aware of more instances of such strong emotion on this subject, then I will request that the mods close the thread as a mark of my respect to all of you.

Apologies once again.

reply to post by cleveland1


Boycotting Obama supporting businesses? If you are successful what do you think that would do for your area? Improve things? Just more vacant real estate, while the ex patrons "reap in the socialist benefits?"

So now you're going tit for tat with people who did the same thing against Bush supporters? Really? How did that work out?

I don't know why I'm about to ask this, but I will anyway; if Romney were elected would your gray skies be blue, and America be the greatest nation on Earth because he supports "American values/Ideals?" Perhaps Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, (insert candidate here)

Were you this vehement when the Patroit Act was passed pretty much rendering said "Liberty" useless. Oh wait you're still alive...

One of the greatest misunderstandings in this country, is what creates prosperity.

The Romney campaign was essentially about that: The old capitalism, the old arguments of hard work, stick-to-itiveness, self-reliance, charity, helping out in the community. Romney was about what creates prosperity.

All of these things that define the traditional institutions that made this country great, that's what the Romney campaign was about.

It was rejected.

In favor of entitlements.

reply to post by MRuss


Because old capitalism was a far better system. Who wants women and minorities in the work place? I mean, come on, they are not morally sound and just having women around is going to cause a mess with men and distract them.

I mean, it was cheaper to dump toxic materials wherever and whenever we wanted to just as long as we're not the ones getting dumped on by a larger capitalist corporation.Who cares about the environment or giving cancer to kids in third world countries because, hey, we turned a major profit. A profit that is going into my pockets... I might throw a couple of dollars down the line... probably not. I mean, I need it being at the top of a company and making important phone calls all day and deciding what benefits my employees don't need to make my bottom line look more attractive.

Yeah... those were the days.

How do I feel about this?

I'm wondering how my children are going to deal with a $20 trillion deficit when my generation is retired and dying off.
I'm wondering how I'll be able to save back as much of my money to give to my children to help them in a future where their sex and race may be viewed in a highly unfavorable light.
I'm wondering how I could be so wrong and think that my traditional American values were the majority, when in reality my values are in the minority.

I'm wondering if the America I grew up with is only now a memory.

Times change. Some people do. Some people do not. I'll have to just sit back and see what happens now.

No hatred to liberals from me. No name calling. Nothing with vitriol.
Just feeling sorely out of touch and out of time.

reply to post by MonkeyFishFrog


I'm not talking about all of the pardigms of the old guard, my friend.

I'm talking about the underpinnings of prosperity:

What creates prosperity?

Working hard. Not entitlements.

Teaching men to fish instead of giving them a fish. Not entitlements.

These are old tried and true values.

That's what I'm talking about.

Obama won because he had the most electoral votes in populous cities where the poor and impoverished live.

They're looking for Santa Claus.

Originally posted by MRuss
reply to post by MonkeyFishFrog

 

I'm not talking about all of the pardigms of the old guard, my friend.

I'm talking about the underpinnings of prosperity:

What creates prosperity?

Working hard. Not entitlements.

Teaching men to fish instead of giving them a fish. Not entitlements.

These are old tried and true values.

That's what I'm talking about.

Obama won because he had the most electoral votes in populous cities where the poor and impoverished live.

Their looking for Santa Claus.

do not waste your time.... That was a cynical hate speech he gave you.. I think he is an entitlement fan..

I hear you thou..

Originally posted by MRuss
One of the greatest misunderstandings in this country, is what creates prosperity.

The Romney campaign was essentially about that: The old capitalism, the old arguments of hard work, stick-to-itiveness, self-reliance, charity, helping out in the community. Romney was about what creates prosperity.

All of these things that define the traditional institutions that made this country great, that's what the Romney campaign was about.

It was rejected.

In favor of entitlements.

+1 Exactly.

One of things my father and I talked about this morning this and how hard work and the American Dream are now things of the past. Instead of nation of providers, we are essentially a nation of takers.

We both were not huge Romney backers (although we favored him) but we both saw the danger in allowing an Obama second term. We've both decided the only way to "beat" the system is to cheat it and become the takers. I will be focused on doing that.

reply to post by MRuss


You know what also stops progress? Suggesting women need flex hours so they can't get home to cook dinners for their families.

If Romney was elected you would've seen a return to naive values espoused in the 1950s. Looks good on paper but once you start living it you find out it really isn't what it's all cracked up to be.

reply to post by MRuss


What about the hardworking poor MRuss? I dont know about your nation all that much, but in mine (which according to some people in the US is a near socialism) the poor people are the only ones who have to work thirteen hour shifts to make the rent, the bills, and so on. In this country the poor work harder for each and every pound they recieve, than the rich do.

Many rich people in my nation do not technically work at all, they just earn money by owning stuff. So what is different about your nation?

reply to post by TrueBrit


Agreed. I'm not even American but I have 7 day weeks where I work 10 hours a day in a warehouse all the days I'm not in school. The only "entitlement" I'm getting is student loan and even that is a debt I will be paying back 400-500% starting 6 months after graduation.

Sorry if I don't see an advantage for keeping rich people rich with doing little to no work.

$250,000 is not "a little bit" to be earned doing speaking engagements. I would love to get paid that pittance.

Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3

Originally posted by TrueBrit
reply to post by navy_vet_stg3

 

Does that concern you in anyway, that the potential for nothing to happen of any significance in the next two years exists? Surely it would be better for the person who gets into the hot seat, to be capable of making the waves and doing the work?

Not at all. I'd rather have them sit idle, instead of moving for the sake of moving, and ultimately wrecking the country. My grandfather didn't die fighting fascism only to have it thrive now simply because people want handouts for crackheads or corporations (pick your poison with each party). Honestly, I think gridlock is the best bet.

I hope people with more sensible heads choose differently. It's that attitude that kept many things from happening over the last 4 years and it certainly doesn't make things better.

I simply feel angry and sad...

I fear for our future now more than ever as obviously the urban core and minorities have carried the POTUS again into power.

Look at the States county by county and you'll see that the country is very divided along party lines with a few urban counties with high populations taking the election away from the rest of the rural ones. In some cases the entire State voted against Obama but one large urban center negated the rest of the State's wishes.

There is no perfect system of course but life is decidedly different in rural vs. urban America - we have different and sometimes diametrically opposed views and values.

I see the country headed nowhere but down...

Failboat - full steam ahead!