Russian Sub Skirts Coast

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
Additionally, Russia is heavily invested in developing a new class of SSBN along with a much more capable SLBM.

The first Borei should commission next year (after multiple delays). The problem is the missile. The Bulava (Russian designation RSM-56, NATO SS-NX-30) has been far from completely successful to date. It's been approved for the Borei to carry, and has made two successful launches from the Yury Dolgorukiy, including one full range launch. But they had 6 failures in the first 13 launches, and one that failed on the ground without even getting airborne. All the failures were explained to be quality control problems.

Originally posted by Zaphod58

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
Additionally, Russia is heavily invested in developing a new class of SSBN along with a much more capable SLBM.

The first Borei should commission next year (after multiple delays). The problem is the missile. The Bulava (Russian designation RSM-56, NATO SS-NX-30) has been far from completely successful to date. It's been approved for the Borei to carry, and has made two successful launches from the Yury Dolgorukiy, including one full range launch. But they had 6 failures in the first 13 launches, and one that failed on the ground without even getting airborne. All the failures were explained to be quality control problems.

Good summary as usual Zaphod.

For anyone reading along that doesn't keep track of Russian naval technology, the famed Norway Spiral was caused by a failed Bulava test launch.



Re-posting this for anybody interested in the rough details of the missile.

It was the first time that class of Russian submarine had been detected near a U.S. coast, said officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of anti-submarine warfare efforts.

Oh Anonymous..is there anything your not on top of.
From hacking websites, to finding the ruskeys in our backyard (clearly they went through the ocean time vortex straight from the 80s).


Not that I fully doubt the credibility of some right wing blogger, his anonymous sources, and the fear porn they just love to spew no matter how absurd and outdated by a generation..totally seems legit.

reply to post by SaturnFX


I can see them not having seen a Sierra II near the US before though. The Akula or Alfa are much more suited to ops there. The Akula even more than the Alfa, since it's quieter. Of course the fact that there are only two Sierra IIs in the water also explains why they haven't seen one here before.

reply to post by jibeho


Hmm, guess it could be impossible the United States to feign ignorance. Oh no! Russian submarine on our coast! Our technology isnt good enough!

*Reality* We have actually counted the amount of Bubbles the "stealth" submarine trailed behind it when it left the docks. We should make the Russians think their technology is competitive to ours so they become comfortable.

*Second Reality* United States sees Russian submarine off coast. Lands on Mars, builds the statue of liberty. Claims planet as a territory. Begins mining oil in ... 3 ... 2

Originally posted by randomname
lets examine what is actually swimming 200 miles of the coast of america.

can the usa stop a missile from hitting new york at that range going mach 23.

at that speed america would have 40 seconds of response time from that distance.

a typical russian nuclear missile has about 10 warheads and 40 decoys. for america to stop just one of these missiles, a manned aegis anti missile system would have to acquire, target and shoot down 50 warheads, travelling at mach 23 in less that 40 seconds. that's just one icbm.

then it would have to defeat the missiles countermeasures. which includes the 40 decoys, chaff released in space confusing ground radar, radar jammers on the warheads and decoys and last but not least, a deliberate nuclear detonation in space to create a radar blackout zone that would allow future missiles to pass thru undetected.

yup, maybe if you're wondering why there isn't any missile defences around your city, is because its pointless, a waste of money and you won't survive.

Thats the same as its been for decades.

Thats why america has its own doomsday deterrent including permanent SSBN patrols.

Its called the balance of terror for a reason.

Originally posted by LittleBlackEagle
maybe they're bringing in much needed supplies to NYC, since our own government has done such a F'ed up job.

They are fighting aliens....

Never underestimate Russia. Many have done it in the past and failed...

Just my 2 cents

Good job Zaphod and Drunken Parrot. So the days of MAD are still with us?

Attack submarines are sub hunters. Boomers specifically. Their job is to detect and shadow Nuclear Missile submarines.

From the Op's link...

One defense official said the submarine was believed to have been conducting anti-submarine warfare efforts against U.S. ballistic and cruise missile submarines based at Kings Bay, Georgia.

A second official said the submarine did not sail close to Kings Bay and also did not threaten a U.S. aircraft carrier strike group that was conducting exercises in the eastern Atlantic.

Yah, "no threat". Just monitoring. Good way to pick up on any intel and subs that head out of Kings bay. You see, when US subs leave port they are on the surface, not submerged. That is a good time to detect one. As they submerge too.

The subs have help as well.

Meanwhile, the officials also said that a Russian electronic intelligence-gathering vessel was granted safe harbor in the commercial port of Jacksonville, Fla., within listening range of Kings Bay.

The Russian AGI ship, or Auxiliary-General Intelligence, was allowed to stay in the port to avoid the superstorm that battered the U.S. East Coast last week.

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“A Russian AGI and an SSN in the same geographic area as one of the largest U.S. ballistic missile submarine bases—Kings Bay—is reminiscent of Cold War activities of the Soviet navy tracking the movements of our SSBN’s,” said a third U.S. official...

Thats interesting to say the least. "Perfect timing" for the Russian snoop. Yah, Vee dock here for storm and listen to... you know... the weather."

“While I can’t talk about how we detected it, I can tell you that things worked the way they were supposed to,” the second official said, stating that the Russian submarine “poses no threat whatsoever.”

It probably surfaced near the task force "conducting exercises" in the Atlantic. Whatever.

This is not a new game or alarming. These boats as well as their prey are locked in cat and mouse games all the time. Just about anywhere is within range of a sub launched missile so within 200 miles of the US is not alarming. I find the snooper boat allowed to berth near the US base more interesting and alarming in and of itself.

And the, "We can't say how we detected it"? With binoculars is my bet. Don't ever underestimate the other guy. The Rooskies are at least as capable as us. And if not, it only takes one undetected missile platform to decimate the entire eastern seaboard.. Both sides deploy nuclear weapons and they are usually within range of the continental United States.Thats their job.

freebeacon.com...

OK

Can someone tell me where all of our subs are?

They are probably off Russia's coast just getting the dingy ready to go score another case of vodka....lol

This is not news.

This is what military boys with toys do, they play with them.

Interesting timing for the story, just before the election. Are they really saying vote for Romney to keep America safe?

The cold war has been over for more than two decades Russia is not a threat or an enemy. MAD is still a reality as long as the nuclear arsenals of the US and Russia exist. Thus if either side launch anything they might as well shoot it at themselves, it would have the same effect.
Why would Russia suddenly attack the US for no reason whatsoever and vice versa, it's ridiculous.

During the Cold War, Moscow’s submarine forces carried out hundreds of submarine patrols annually to maintain its first- and second-strike nuclear capabilities. By 1984, the Soviet Union was declining but its naval forces conducted 230 submarine patrols. Today the number is fewer than 10 patrols.

From the article.

reply to post by Zaphod58


200 miles out gets you closer, but is it even needed? Wasnt Cold War doctrine for the Russians to basically fence in their subs in the Barrents or the Baltic, group the boomers in one place, have the attack subs patrol as a fence and free the rest of the attack subs to go after shipping? So even if this was a missile boat, there would be little need other than intimidation and show of force in closing to such and such a distance off the coast.

As for the Chinese, they might actually have to get a little closer, though I admit I am not familiar with their latest capabilities.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Wasn't the last Russian Alfa class SSN scrapped in '96?
I believe the Alfa's used a liquid metal coolant in the reactor which failed and destroyed the reactors on two boats. Eventually four of the seven Project 705 Alfa's were retired due to reactor failures. Not a very successful or reliable design.
Looking at the Sierra class and I thought this was interesting. On 11 February 1992, the K-239 (Sierra I) collided with the American submarine Baton Rouge just off Kildin Island near the Kola Coast.

The Bering Straight between Russia and Alaska is Only 53 miles across. In recent years there has been enough ice on the straight that Karl Bushby was able to walk across to Russia - where the other side is off limits because it's controlled by the Russian military. en.wikipedia.org...

I'm sure subs could be there too.

reply to post by JimTSpock


Yeah, they replaced the reactor in her and used her for training for several years. I forgot about that. Most of them were scrapped in 1990. Good catch.

reply to post by steppenwolf86


Their new SSBN is capable of launching near China and hitting some of the US. The Xia (Type 092) was anything but a success, and was never launched on any kind of long patrols. There may have been two built, but that was never confirmed, and there is the possibility that two were built and one was lost.

The Jin (Type 094) has some design characteristics of the Shang (Type 093) which is believed to be comparable to the Victor III. It's believed to use the Julang 2 missile. It has a range of 4900 miles, and can hit Hawaii and Alaska from Chinese waters.

I'm not one to say I told you so, but I totally called this:

proof of my amazing psychic abilities

reply to post by Alternative4u


I often wonder how many people are actually "touched" with out the proper diagnosis....

Is it customary here to just make up blatant lies, then pass them off as facts, pronounced by an expert?

"The US cut back" - Could NOT be more incorrect!

Please go educate yourself on the facts, so your posts are less ignorant.

Link to educational material - en.wikipedia.org...

Oh wow... a Russian sub 200 miles off the coast of the USA.. such scandal.

What about the US subs that are 200 miles off the coast of Russia? You know, the ones that have been there all the way through the cold war, and never stopped deploying?

If you do it to them, they'll do it to you.

reply to post by neformore


Exactly. This was a total non-event. It's just things going back to how they were for years, and the game restarting.