God Rebukes Lady Who Knows His True Hebrew Name For Continuing To Use The J Name?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew

 

Debating or not it's still irrational logic. One doesn't need to be is a classically defined "debate" to be using faulty logic, or on the other hand, one doesn't get a free-pass to be irrational and illogical if not in a classic or official "debate",.. sorry.

I do not want to post a source due to the personal attacks that occurred the last time I posted a source. I think that is very rational logic.

I was in that thread. Your source was attacked for running a diploma mill and for having a Doctorate of Divinity which is not an expert in Biblical languages.

edit on 19-10-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)

He was attacked because you and others could not defeat the truth and went searching for something else to attack him on. He is not running a diploma mill.

Now let's not let this thread become one of personal attacks, let's discuss the issues instead.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Well, show us this.

That is the book (above). The section that I have the close-up of below is in the center of the right hand page, above the rubber band.

Here is the close up of the section in question, from that same shot above, before I reduced it.

Considering your claim of knowing Greek better than me, I am surprised that you do not own a copy, it being standard issue for all Greek students.

I'll have to add that to my library.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by truejew

 

You did claim that you had proof that Jesus spoke Aramaic. That could not be without the originals or some other proof that shows that the words really were spoken in Aramaic.

Disraeli provided biblical evidence Jesus spoke aramaic by his quoting Jesus on the cross "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabacthani" and that is aramaic. It was biblical evidence, and he was daring you to contradict the scriptures, because if you don't believe the only thing we have written of Jesus, then you have nothing to go on but your own imagination.

I also have faith and the Holy Spirit to go on.

reply to post by jmdewey60


I do not recall ever telling you that I know Greek better than you, I believe I was stunned when you claimed something along the lines that verb tenses are not essential to knowing the context of Greek sentences. You'll have to remind me where and when I said that because I have no recollection off hand.

Can you please provide the title and page numbers of Dr. Metzger's book you referenced above? He's one of my all-time favorite scholars and I've never seen that page before, thanks.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Can you please provide the title and page numbers of Dr. Metzger's book you referenced above?

Lexical Aids for Students of New Testament Greek

I do not recall ever telling you that I know Greek better than you, I believe I was stunned when you claimed something along the lines that verb tenses are not essential to knowing the context of Greek sentences. You'll have to remind me where and when I said that because I have no recollection off hand.

I haven't found one of your posts right now where you say that directly but you imply it by citing what you think you know and contrasting my views as nothing but the result of intentional ignorance.

ETA: page 3, I thought it was legible from the photo

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Can you please provide the title and page numbers of Dr. Metzger's book you referenced above?

Lexical Aids for Students of New Testament Greek

I do not recall ever telling you that I know Greek better than you, I believe I was stunned when you claimed something along the lines that verb tenses are not essential to knowing the context of Greek sentences. You'll have to remind me where and when I said that because I have no recollection off hand.

I haven't found one of your posts right now where you say that directly but you imply it by citing what you think you know and contrasting my views as nothing but the result of intentional ignorance.

No, I referenced a world-renowned Greek expert, I didn't assert something on my own authority, I appealed to his expertise. Thanks for the reference, but you didn't mention the page numbers.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


The page number was on his first picture. You do have to have very good vision to read it though. Especially on an iPad.

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I don't have a PC, I use the internet on my cell and it just has a 4.3 inch screen. If you can see the # what is it?

reply to post by NOTurTypical


It is page 3.

reply to post by truejew


Thank you

reply to post by jmdewey60


Now, show where Dr. Metzger said the iota or ancient "jot" carried a "J" phonetic pronunciation. That's why I have been confused, there isn't an equivalent phonetic sound for our English "J" or "Q" in Greek. The archaic iota was written as an English "J" but it never had the phonetic pronunciation identical to our "J". The iota is "ee-O-tah" or easier "YO-ta". I've never said the jot or iota was not written as a "J", I've said the letter doesn't have the English "J" phonetic sound. It is not pronounced with a teeth-clenched "J" but either a long E or Y pronunciation.

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Hey, you better not forget my name. I command that You will Remember my name every time you see a mouse turd.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

. . . the iota or ancient "jot" carried a "J" phonetic pronunciation.

This is page three in a book for beginner students in biblical Greek.
It would make no sense whatsoever for the author to throw in ancient words as examples for pronunciation.
You don't have the book in hand apparently, so you have to take my word for it that all the examples are modern words but he uses ones that are derived from the Greek maybe for a little extra introduction that we do use words today with origins in the Greek.
other examples:
hemoglobin
euphemism
ecumenical

reply to post by jmdewey60


That's unprecedented, I've never heard anyone claim that before. The iota is pronounced "ee-YO-ta".

reply to post by NOTurTypical

The iota is pronounced "ee-YO-ta".

That is not how the letter i (ι) is pronounced in a word.
Jot is a modern word that according to thefreedictionary is from Latin jota, from Greek iōta.
The author is giving an example in modern English that uses a sound that corresponds to part of the Greek word example, consistent with all the other examples in the chart. He is not giving a direct translation.
Like I said, you do not have the book so you don't understand what he is doing.

Names are always transliterated from one language to another. They are never translated.

Even though there is no formal "J" letter in Hebrew, there is a way to make that sound. If you see a gimmel with an apostrophe after it is pronounced like the j in Jennifer, even though Hebrew technically does not have that sound.

God's name is Y'Hovah however the last vowel in the name makes more of an "uh" sound than an "ah" sound.

Originally posted by Singularity4u
Names are always transliterated from one language to another. They are never translated.

Really? Then why do Hispanics call me "Ronaldo"?

It's are to believe in a religion when their own members can't even agree on something as important and basic as the way of salvation.

"YHSHUA obviously is Yahushua! No, It is Yahshua! No, it is iesous (iesus)! No, it is Jesus!"


So, people just have to guess which name is the REAL name since there weren't even in vowel being used in the bible (aramaic/hebrew). Maybe God should have used a language which less ambiguity and with vowels so that we can know for sure which word/name is which and have an actual chance for salvation (if he claims that is what he wants for us)...

I wanted to believe in Christianity but the more I research the less credible it seems, just be honest here...

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Maybe God should have used a language which less ambiguity and with vowels so that we can know for sure which word/name is which and have an actual chance for salvation (if he claims that is what he wants for us)...

He did, it's Greek, what the New Testament was written in.
If God wanted us to be speaking Hebrew or Aramaic, those would be current languages and would have been used.
The universal language at the time, and what Jesus and others who lived in 'Galilee of the Gentiles' spoke, was Greek, not Hebrew, and not Aramaic.