What just happened in northwest Louisiana? Unexplained Explosion

Someone should be the little bird to clue the local journalists into this thread, on the rare chance that one of them may actually still give a damn about authentic investigative journalism.

A wealth of information and some tenacious detective work have made this one of the best threads on ATS in quite some time.
This is what ATS is all about guys.....certainly give yourselves a pat on the back from me

reply to post by stupid girl


I could pass this link to every news article about the explosion... I don't know if they would pick up and come to it though...

Originally posted by LSU0408
reply to post by Char-Lee

 

I'm about 15 minutes from Goodwill Rd... I could drive out there and look, but chances are, I would have to find a reasonable area and park so I could get out and go look around. Plus by now it wouldve been covered I bet.

On a side note, I saw a 2010+ model white Buick SUV coming out of the plant this morning at 7:30, it was right behind a log truck filled with good sized logs...

But what was under those Logs.....Dum Dum Dum..

....a 20 foot rod of Tungsten.
Just kidding....that would have melted or blown up into tiny fragments wouldn't it have?

Watching videos and viewing photos of missiles and missile launches, one thing I'm noticing is that there are two specific types: white with no trail (generally smaller missiles) and orange with a trail (larger missiles and other objects).
Also, meteors are usually seen over a large area, since they're so high up, but the sightings before the bunker explosion are along a line from Longview, Texas, to Minden.

This is an interesting pattern:

9:28 - red object seen from Shreveport, heading west

10:20ish - "meteor"/fireball with a trail seen from Longview and the Shreveport area, heading west
10:25 - white tail-less object seen traveling in the same direction (west)
Longview is also where the object was heard "zooming" overhead

11:15ish - fireball seen in the sky from Winnfield (SE of Minden)
11:26 - Minden bunker explosion

It's leading to an interesting possibility, but I still can't be sure it's not just coincidence. We'll see.

reply to post by CLPrime


Make the leap.....I did....
the water is nice.

Originally posted by CLPrime

Originally posted by GezinhoKiko

CLPrime- so the Orionids hadnt come over the horizon at the time of the sightings and explosion?

1 "meteor" was sighted at 9:28 (if that time can be trusted... the witness specifically stated that they looked at the clock). At that time, the origin of the Orionids, which is just off the extended arm of Orion, was a little below the horizon. Though, meteors can still be seen when the origin is below the horizon...they just have to be traceable back to that origin below the horizon.
2 or 3 were sighted between 10:20 and 10:30. Actually, if I were to hazard a guess, I would guess that 2 objects were observed -- one, a white tail-less object, at about 10:25, and another, described as a red fireball, a couple minutes earlier. The origin of the Orionids at this time was at the horizon.
1 was sighted at about 11:15, just before the explosion, when the origin was a little above the horizon.

All but the last of these objects were seen going from West to East. That means they were heading toward the point where the Orionids come from, when they should have been originating from that direction. Whatever they were, they could not have been Orionid meteors.

The object at 11:15 had no reported direction, so we can't say if that was an Orionid or not.
1 final object was seen just after the explosion in a direction and location consistent with an Orionid meteor.

And we musn't forget the person in Longview, Texas, who reported hearing something "zooming" over their house at the time these "meteors" were being sighted.

Well that tell me those meteor are not part off the Orionid shower.
These are a bit bigger and numerous as they come from a different place .
Maybe that new cloud everybody is talking about that we are entering
Hope this is not so
seeing a uptick in meteor sightings. This planet is about to pass through the most meteor dense part of our galaxy, the glactic plane.

Maybe that the big cover-up.
We all better start to learn how to duct and cover

reply to post by Stevie777

More logs. Just a normal part of cleanup. They're heading to the pulp mill. White SUV: logging company rep making sure they get all of the free wood available.

This link shows meteor strikes in real time, I think this has been posted elsewhere on ATS but I thought it is relevant to this thread and it has been very active recently www.meteorscan.com...

Here one more
lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.ca...

Another interesting site that shows where there have been recent meteor reports:

lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com...

They even list the Minden event as a meteor event.

Sorry for some reason I could not copy and paste just that segment, but you will be amazed at all the activity that is listed there outside of Minden.

reply to post by Trillium


after all the searching i have been doing, I think this is a viable answer. the bunker explosion was either a complete accident, or they "pulled it" in order to have an explanation of all the reports of meteors. does any one know if larry silverstein is involved with explo?

I have a feeling this is a cover up of a theft of explosives. The magazine was set off so that the missing explosives would not be known. They would be assumed destroyed in the blast.

reply to post by OneisOne


Thank you for posting that video.
I have been watching countless explosions of various types and trying to match what's on the video with anything close. I have yet to find anything remotely similar. I decided to break down the events and see what kind of figures we get -

From the video you see the first explosion begin at 10:30:33 which doesn't end until 10:33:37 = 4 seconds duration.
The blast wave begins stirring debris at the camera site at 10:33:43 - a full ten seconds after the first flash.
You measured the distance from the camera to the Camp Minden site as being 3 miles.
5,280 x 3 gives us 15,840 feet divided by 10 gives us a speed of 1,584 feet per second for the speed of the shock wave - 1 and 1/2 times the speed of sound..

In the first explosion you can see the light for about 4 seconds, with variations in the intensity of the light.
There is a 6 second window of inactivity before the next event.
In the second explosion we see the same but lasting slightly longer - about 5 seconds.
I mention this because with most single explosions the flash only lasts about 1 or 2 seconds.
Given the variation in the intensity of the light as well as the very long duration I think it's safe to assume we had not only 2 primary explosions but secondary and possibly tertiary explosions as well.

Make what you will of the above but to me it denotes that there were possibly at least 4 separate explosions, perhaps more which makes the official explanation of a single munitions bunker exploding extremely unlikely.

reply to post by CLPrime


The news casters say the car sized object that broke up over San Francisco....

"Braidman said that the meteor is not at all related to the Orionid meteor shower expected to peak over Saturday night and Sunday morning.

A meteor shower is actually not an accurate name for this weekend’s phenomenon, Braidman said, and that the “shooting stars” that stargazers will see this weekend are in fact small pieces of comet."
sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com...

What I don't understand is the one I saw in Crescent City CA was just as bright, looked as large and there is no interest in it at all....maybe because no pictures I guess.
The green one we saw was also the same size and brightness.

reply to post by Asktheanimals

You are very welcome!

Just for clarity. I measured the distance using an address I found on Google search. When I plugged it all into Google Earth to measure "as the crow flies" distance it worked out to around 2.75 miles.

Many Many Thanks to you and CLPrime on all the calculations!!

Im reading a lot of updates to the news articles and statements put out on or after the 16th that are stating it was not a meteor. They say that there was something, but the ammo bunker is what made the boom not the something that landed nearby that was not a meteor. They are not saying what that something was, just that it was not a meteor.

I have to get to work, but would love to hear more. What I am reading now has my curiousity peaked.

Now this is an interesting theory. A lot is going on in Louisiana......hmmmm

www.examiner.com... khole-methane-caused-minden-explosions-is-possibility-physicists-say

At least ten powerful explosions Monday night at Camp Minden after a meteor shower have raised many questions, including whether Louisiana's sinkhole area aquifer explosive-level methane could have traveled north where hit by a meteorite causing the blasts, a possibility according to a physicist and an astrophysicist interviewed by Deborah Dupré Friday. Heavier meteor showers are predicted this weekend.

Notice how it says "10'" yep 10 explosions occurred? ( see the article)

Anybody know if the methane possibly could be responsible?

"If there is enough methane in the air, just about anything (like a rock hitting another rock, causing a spark) could ignite explosions," physicist Steve Knudsen said in an email Friday.

According to a Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality map, Lake Bisteneau is part of the same water system as the sinkhole area where methane has reached explosive level and is life-threatening, according to officials.

Lets not forget that immediately after Monday, a burn ban was put in place by this lake area.

A meteor hitting methane could have caused the Camp Minden explosions, but authorities have not publicly released this critically important information. The heaviest of meteorite showers are predicted this weekend.

www.pr... ess-herald.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4073:burn-ban-lake-bistineau&catid=34:local-news&Itemid=69

Burn Ban: Lake Bistineau October 15, 2012 Staff Reports . The Webster Parish Police Jury and Webster Parish Office of Homeland Security have issued a Burn Ban for the Lake Bistineau Lake Bed effective immediately. All camp fires, trash fires, and any other open flames are prohibited on the Lake Bed of Lake Bistineau in Webster Parish. The ban will be in effect until further notice.

Wow!

For those that might not know what else is going on in the dirty south:

www.examiner.com... e-explosive-methane-officially-life-threatening-residents-not-told

Officials advised the Assumption Parish President on Thursday that Bayou Corne sinkhole area has high levels of methane in nearby water wells, posing risks to health, fire and explosion and that residents need to heed the mandatory evacuation order. That day, parish officials postponed Saturday's resident briefing with no explanation.

This just keeps getting creepier as the days go by!

As usual this week I did a search to see if I could find any updated news. Still hoping Explo will release a statement.

Found nothing new.

I did find something old. I found a reference to an emergency exercise that took place in May of 2011 at Camp Minden. When I went searching for more information I hit a "subscribe" barrier. I tried everything to find a copy of the article but all I came up with was this little tease:

At approximately 8 a.m. on Friday morning personnel at Camp Minden reported feeling a strong shockwave followed by a loud boom. Approximately two minutes later, another shockwave and a second boom were reported. These reports started the third consecutive response exercise conducted by Camp Minden and Homeland Security.

www.press-herald.com

To read the rest of the article was gonna take $5 for a month's subscription. I decided to drop it and get on with my work.

But it nagged me. As soon I finished what I was working on I grabbed a CC & bought the darn subscription. (What a sucker I am)

I don't know if I can post the exact wording from the article, but here is a run down of what it says.

NOTE: for the drill there were never any explosions. Everyone just pretends it happened.

A drill was conducted in May 2011 focusing on the response to a magazine (bunker) explosion. The drill was for if the magazine contained approximately 1,000 pounds of black powder and 167,000 pounds of M-6 propellant. The drill simulated; a state helicopter flyover showing the magazine "completely destroyed" and a wild fire from the prevailing winds and mock injuries to personal.

The public relations officer stated they do these drills to identify any weakness in their plans and fix them.

My take?? I think they need to review how good their plans are if they didn't even realize Monday night's blast happened on their property!!!!!!! I would call that pretty darn weak.

sidebar: if anyone questions what is in the article, a mod can contact me and I will give them my login for the website so they can confirm. Or you can just pony up the $5 and check for yourself.

reply to post by Asktheanimals


Without an inventory of the munitions and or components of the bunker, it's really difficult to guess-timate the cause or analyze the mechanics of the explosion. However, if I were to make an uneducated guess, I would say that perhaps we had a series of explosions much like throwing a match into a box of fireworks. They could have blown in a close series giving us the extended glows. First, one cluster and then the other larger group. I would also wonder if there could be unexploded ordinance scattered around the countryside now. Maybe this is why the burn ban was called for. Like I said, just throwing ideas out there to try to make sense of this in my own mind.