Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released...

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Renegade2283

 

The build-up of CO2 in the atmosphere has an effect on everyone's health as well

so, plant a tree, a few of 'em, plant a garden, increase the green and reduce the concrete. reducing CO2 can be achieved in a variety of ways ... none of which supports a planned global tax

I concur. I never said I agreed with the planned global tax. I believe replanting trees is the best bet. Though I think we cut them down faster than they could grow. Look at the Brazilian rainforest

Originally posted by Renegade2283

I concur. I never said I agreed with the planned global tax. I believe replanting trees is the best bet. Though I think we cut them down faster than they could grow. Look at the Brazilian rainforest

I have to agree with you there. Common sense tells us that chopping down the Brazilian rainforest at the rate of an area the size of Wales every year is not a wise move for the planet.

Still, replanting trees has got to help.

reply to post by Laykilla

Shifts in wind patterns and the giant ozone hole over the Antarctic this time of year - both related to human activity - are probably behind the increase in ice, experts say.

Did you miss that?

No wonder climate depot has reports of Antarctic ice being five times what it was in 1957, must find the figures for 1957.

The 2 data plots presented don't really seem to disagree massively if you compare what they show over the same slice of time.

The NASA plot doesn't show any great increase over that 16 year period either.

If you look at the longer timeline the picture emerges.

If you were selective enough and narrow enough in what you plotted you could show a fall. That would not change the fact that the planet is slowly warming.

I dont expect we'll do anything about it. What interests me is what the effect will be and i've yet to see a single agreed scenario. For the UK the predictions range from wetter and hotter to loss of the gulf stream and a new ice age.

Knowing human nature we wont do anything until the effects are indisputably causing mass human death. Acknowledging this, to be focused on anything else than appropriately hardening the national infrastructure is folly.

Originally posted by Renegade2283
reply to post by Laykilla

 

Shifts in wind patterns and the giant ozone hole over the Antarctic this time of year - both related to human activity - are probably behind the increase in ice, experts say.

Did you miss that?

No, actually I didn't. It's just rhetoric.

Basically what that means is this, in normal people terms -- "We don't know why it's cooling, so we're saying 'PROBABLY' it has to do with shifts in wind patterns and the giant ozone hole."

Did you miss the word "Probably?" It means they don't have a clue what they are talking about. If it was a fact, they wouldn't be saying "probably" would they?

The bottom line is, the ice continue to grow, it's not a "time of year" thing -- it's growing, growing, and growing.

The only way for ice to propagate is for the water to be cooler than 32ºF. In fact, the hole in the ozone is supposed to aide in warming, not cooling. The Ozone Layer is a giant invisible HEAT shield around the planet. Where that shield has a hole, would in principle, heat up.

Again, if the antarctic was heating up, ice would NOT be propagated.

The ozone layer absorbs 97–99% of the Sun's medium-frequency ultraviolet light (from about 200 nm to 315 nm wavelength)

So, letting MORE of the suns medium-frequency ultraviolet light in, is cooling the antarctic?

What?

And all these years, I always thought the sun was the hottest thing in our solar system. Boy, what a huge mistake.

In reality, what is happening, is -- more and more evidence is coming out that global warming is a myth. To fight this, they release tidbits that fool the average joe into thinking they must be right!

It's like a salesman who doesn't know anything about computers telling you that the brand new sandy bridge has 2,000 gigaflops in each of it's 1 billion transistors!

Anybody who actually knows what a sandy bridge is, will laugh at the sillyness of that statement, but anybody who has no idea what a gigaflop is, or what the function of a transistor in a modern CPU is would eat that up, hook line and sinker.

Don't be that guy with the sinker in his stomach, please.

For the record, a gigaflop = Floating Point Operations Per Second, or Flops. The giga is a prefix that means 1 billion.

The Sandy Bridge CPU or Central Processing Unit, has 18.14 gigaflops in it's FPU, or Floating Point Unit.

As you will see transistors don't come into play here, but it sounded really impressive when the sales guy said it right?

Originally posted by Renegade2283

Shifts in wind patterns and the giant ozone hole over the Antarctic this time of year - both related to human activity - are probably behind the increase in ice, experts say.

Did you miss that?

One problem however is that climate change models are so crude.

Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’.

Even Prof Jones (director of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia) admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun. However, he said he was still convinced that the current decade would end up significantly warmer than the previous two.

Daily Mail

Professor Judith Curry, head of the climate science department at Georgia Tech university has stated that climate change models are deeply flawed.

reply to post by ollncasino


OK then lets just look at the immediate world around us, just to ponder. I live in Portland, Oregon and we just went through the longest period of dry weather for this time of year EVER. When I can begin to see the effects of climate change in my own back yard, I start to worry.

Nobody can deny that the weather is changing on a historical scale, whether it be from global warming or not.

Am I right?

Originally posted by Renegade2283
reply to post by ollncasino

 

OK then lets just look at the immediate world around us, just to ponder. I live in Portland, Oregon and we just went through the longest period of dry weather for this time of year EVER. When I can begin to see the effects of climate change in my own back yard, I start to worry.

Nobody can deny that the weather is changing on a historical scale, whether it be from global warming or not.

Am I right?

edit on 14-10-2012 by Renegade2283 because: (no reason given)

Yes, but every year for the past infinity, some area in the world has experience weather it's never experience before. I fail to see what this has to do with global warming. It's absolutely natural. The earth's weather is not static, it changes dynamically, always has and always will for infinity.

And for the record, rain is cause by heat. The hotter it is, the more water evaporates up into the clouds until there is a breaking point when the cloud can no longer hold any more water and "pops" and down comes your rain.

Drought is caused by two things. Low heat or the absence of humidity/moisture/raw water. Neither one really pertaining to the idea of Global Warming.

This is why places like Florida rarely ever see drought. It's so humid, there is water around the entire coast and throughout the entirely of it's land via canals, lakes, and swamps. There is also a constant heat in the summer, which cause this to evaporate into the atmosphere creating clouds until they get so heavy that they get black and lower in altitude and eventually over flow -- which is the process we call rain.

The water cycle.

Whats really funny is that you people having such a hard time seeing this increase in Antarctic ice as a sign of global warming remind me of the "gooback" episode of South Park.

One guy is like: "Well what If we like pollute the environment a bunch so we have an Ice age".

Then the redneck says something like: "How the hell is global warming gonna cause an ice age, that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard"

There have been a few references to ice, its formation and melting, that I am just going to throw in a few facts about ice that I think are cool and may be on topic in a abstract kind-of-way.

Ice can be in three states at once. At 0c, ice can be solid, melting and evaporating at the same time.

Ice will only displace its equivalent mass when floating. As ice is roughly 110% the volume of its equivalent mass in water, roughly 10% of an ice berg will be above the surface of the water. This is relevant as a body of floating ice like the Arctic ice cap can completely melt and the water level will be exactly the same. Antarctica however, is a land mass and any ice that melts will end up in the oceans and will cause them to rise slightly(I think the worst case scenario for Antarctica melting completely pushes up the worlds oceans by between 450mm and 600mm).

Ice appears to get colder as it melts. This is a cool fact in itself. As an example .....The older home ice-cream machines used ice to cool the ice cream mix while it was being stirred/agitated. One of the key elements into cooling the ice-cream mix as quickly as possible was to add salt to the ice. This would melt the ice at a lower temperature(sub zero) and therefore ....make ice-cream faster as the melting ice would create an imbalance(potential difference) and the ice would absorb the heat around it much faster.

reply to post by Laykilla


I didnt say global warming, I said climate change. Big difference

Originally posted by Renegade2283
reply to post by Laykilla

 

I didnt say global warming, I said climate change. Big difference

Originally posted by Renegade2283
Whats really funny is that you people having such a hard time seeing this increase in Antarctic ice as a sign of global warming remind me of the "gooback" episode of South Park.

Originally posted by Renegade2283
reply to post by Laykilla

 

I didnt say global warming, I said climate change. Big difference

I'm aware of that, but the topic at hand, and all posts up until that have been about global warming.

Nary a soul on the planet will tell you climate change doesn't exist, because it always has, and always will -- to infinity.

So -- I don't mean to rattle you, or disrespect you, or anything like that -- but I'm not quite sure what the "Point" of that statement was in this thread.

TBH, if it didn't pertain to Global Warming in any fashion, wouldn't that have been, off topic?

And then there is that southpark comment too. Doesn't really seem like you are expressing yourself too coherently.

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be rude -- I'm just genuinely trying to understand what you're talking about.

Originally posted by Renegade2283

Nobody can deny that the weather is changing on a historical scale, whether it be from global warming or not.

The climate has always varied over time.

Middle Ages were warmer than today, say scientists

The above study, led by Harvard University, shows that the period between the 9th and 14th centuries had global temperatures significantly higher than today.

reply to post by Laykilla


So what if its off topic a little, cant you just entertain the thought without busting chops. And I more meant "changing climate change"

reply to post by ollncasino


I didnt know that people in the middle ages kept record of the average temperature with all that suffering going on.

(joking in case you didn't know)

So the temperature is pretty muh the same as what it was 15 years ago? Where do the get there global warming crap from..

Originally posted by Laykilla


And then there is that southpark comment too. Doesn't really seem like you are expressing yourself too coherently.

You'll have to watch the episode. I tried to find it on youtube but couldn't. The guy saying the "pollute the environment bit", was essentially the voice of reason during the meeting. While the redneck refuting him was the one who wanted to have the gay orgy.

Hows that for coherent, probably are completely lost if you've never seen it

Well I gotta go to bed since its 4:30 am here. So I just want to say thanks for the stimulating discussion, have fun justifying the absolutely absurd pollution of the planet and I leave you with this

Pollution from space