Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released...

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I gave you my source or do you not recall? Well Ill post it again anyways.

data.giss.nasa.gov...

Originally posted by Renegade2283

OK, now compare those "50" people to the amount that still support the global warming theory at NASA. Im sure the percentage will lean heavily in my favor. Jus sayin'.

Since 1998, more than 31,000 American scientists from diverse climate-related disciplines have signed a petition announcing that there is no convincing scientific evidence of global warming.

That Scientific Global Warming Consensus...Not!

There is no scientific global warming consensus.

Dont forget this gem

New data from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSDIC) reveal that Arctic ice is continuing to melt at an alarming rate. Summer ice in the Arctic may all but disappear over the next few decades, much earlier than scientists had previously predicted.

www.digitaljournal.com...

And one from NOAA for extra "scientificness"

www.noaanews.noaa.gov...

People like the OP are the reason we'll go the way of the Dinosaurs.

But instead of becoming extinct as a result of a natural cause, we'll go extinct as a result of our own ignorance and arrogance, to stand by our ideologies no matter how harmful they are to the future of the planet.

What a waste of a precious and magnificent planet.

We've been searching for many decades now, and we still have not found one similar, and to think we're polluting it like there's no tomorrow just to make a buck.

That's just disgusting and sad.

soo met data as a sort dataset from a single location is used to blame current GLOBAL datasets ?
how smart is that ?
*applause

Originally posted by Renegade2283

New data from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSDIC) reveal that Arctic ice is continuing to melt at an alarming rate. Summer ice in the Arctic may all but disappear over the next few decades, much earlier than scientists had previously predicted.

Yet, Antarctic ice is growing!

Antarctica has 90 per cent of the Earth's ice.

Revealed: Antarctic ice growing, not shrinking

If melting arctic ice means 'global warming', does growing Antarctic ice mean we are heading for an ice age?

Originally posted by TMJ1972
soo met data as a sort dataset from a single location is used to blame current GLOBAL datasets ?
how smart is that ?
*applause

No applause for you.

The UK's official Meteorological Office uses 3,000 locations around the globe.

The OP states that.

reply to post by ollncasino

Are you a climate change scientists by any chance?

Are you? Is anyone at the daily mail?... 97% of climate experts agree humans are causing
global warming. I would rather take their word for it over some sensationalist and misleading newspaper article..

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I just like to say that I have no problem with you as a person, unlike others. I respect that at least you question global warming because it helps all of understand it better.

I wont say that there are not people who are exaggerating global warming or using it for economic gain. Which is one good part of questioning global warming, it helps us weed out the liars.

However do you notice that in the past republican politicians would deny global warming, but now since there is so much irrefutable evidence, they don't dare deny it for fears they will be made a fool

-Have a nice day

Originally posted by TMJ1972
soo met data as a sort dataset from a single location is used to blame current GLOBAL datasets ?
how smart is that ?
*applause

Bravo.

That it states clearly in the article that the data was taken from over 3000 locations around the globe is a fact that you conveniently overlooked.

Bravo

Originally posted by muse7
People like the OP are the reason we'll go the way of the Dinosaurs.

But instead of becoming extinct as a result of a natural cause, we'll go extinct as a result of our own ignorance and arrogance, to stand by our ideologies no matter how harmful they are to the future of the planet.

That's just disgusting and sad.

Your statement doesn't contain a single fact.

Should I take it that you cannot dispute the empirical data disproving global warming presented by the UK's meteorological office and are reduced to making an appeal on an emotional rather than an intellectual level in an attempt to 'prove' global warming?

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IT sure is, though I think you are confused because that too is caused by global warming

Shifts in wind patterns and the giant ozone hole over the Antarctic this time of year - both related to human activity - are probably behind the increase in ice, experts say. This subtle growth in winter sea ice since scientists began measuring it in 1979 was initially surprising, they say, but makes sense the more it is studied. "A warming world can have complex and sometimes surprising consequences," researcher Ted Maksym said this week from an Australian research vessel surrounded by Antarctic sea ice. He is with the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts. Many experts agree. Ted Scambos of the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Colorado adds: "It sounds counterintuitive, but the Antarctic is part of the warming as well."

www.usatoday.com...

Btw, your link doesn't appear to work for me.

edit: btw SnF for starting a good discussion

Originally posted by Renegade2283

IT sure is, though I think you are confused because that too is caused by global warming

Climate scientists reason that growing ice in the Antarctic is caused by global warming?

That's a shocker.

It's almost like arguing with your wife.

Originally posted by Renegade2283

Btw, your link doesn't appear to work for me.

Fixed it. Thanks.

I don't believe in the mad mad global warming fiasco

the planet warms up and cools down all the time

in the late 70's the science factions thought we were on the verge of a new ice age.

didn't happen did it.

I think that so much has been pumped into the idea of global warming that there is no going back now.

so many jobs created, so much cash chucked at it etc etc

no way can they turn back

even the main university investigating global warming were found out to be cooking the books to make it look worse.

I don't think it is a threat.

However, I do believe that some good can come of it.

we should be finding new sources of energy instead of oil

we should be trying not to waste so much etc etc

i really do hope they leave that big oil reserve under the ice where it is. the only place on earth we haven't ruined yet.

and as for 97% of climate change scientists agreeing it is happening - of course they would! if they say it didn't they would be out of a job!!

The Antarctic sea ice anomaly is just that - an anomaly. The ice extent is growing DESPITE a warming southern ocean, there are a number of potential reasons for this, none the less changes in ocean circulation patterns due to salinity and wind patterns. This is not to mention that the actual Antarctic ice sheet on land (the more important of the two) is losing mass at an accelerating rate. The ice gain in the sea does not amount to a tenth of the ice loss in the Arctic either. Climate change is not going to be one smooth sail to a tropical climate, there will be bumps along the way.

The 'no warming since 1997/1998' argument is often brought up, despite the fact they ignore the fact it was one of the hottest years on record. Ignoring the fact that there has been a slight warming since 1998 (a small one, but warming none the less) it's a very crude manipulation of data by denialists in order to try and convince people that it's not happening. Effectively it's the same as in a data set of say 4,4,5,6,5,7,6,7,12,8,8,10,9,11 saying that the data set hasn't been getting bigger since '12' onwards. Starting the graph at the highest point is deliberately skewing the data and it's wrong.

This gif here illustrates perfectly the sort of argument presented in this thread

Originally posted by ollncasino

Climate scientists reason that growing ice in the Antarctic is caused by global warming?

That's a shocker.

It's almost like arguing with your wife.

reply to post by Renegade2283

The build-up of CO2 in the atmosphere has an effect on everyone's health as well

so, plant a tree, a few of 'em, plant a garden, increase the green and reduce the concrete. reducing CO2 can be achieved in a variety of ways ... none of which supports a planned global tax

Originally posted by Atzil321

97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming. I would rather take their word for it over some sensationalist and misleading newspaper article..

Actually the claim is 98% but the climate change scientists were a little 'constructive' with the truth.

98% of 77 scientists questioned who had recently had a climate change article published agreed humans are causing global warming.

Not quite 97% of climate experts?

So where did that famous “consensus” claim that “98% of all scientists believe in global warming” come from? It originated from an endlessly reported 2009 American Geophysical Union (AGU) survey consisting of an intentionally brief two-minute, two question online survey sent to 10,257 earth scientists by two researchers at the University of Illinois. Of the about 3.000 who responded, 82% answered “yes” to the second question, which like the first, most people I know would also have agreed with.

Then of those, only a small subset, just 77 who had been successful in getting more than half of their papers recently accepted by peer-reviewed climate science journals, were considered in their survey statistic. That “98% all scientists” referred to a laughably puny number of 75 of those 77 who answered “yes”.

That Scientific Global Warming Consensus...Not!

So no cigar for the claim that 97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming.

75 out of 77 climate change scientists questioned who had recently got a climate change article published agree humans are causing global warming.

Meanwhile, more than 31,000 American scientists from diverse climate-related disciplines, have signed a petition announcing their belief that there is no convincing scientific evidence that humans are causing global warming.

Originally posted by Renegade2283
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IT sure is, though I think you are confused because that too is caused by global warming

Shifts in wind patterns and the giant ozone hole over the Antarctic this time of year - both related to human activity - are probably behind the increase in ice, experts say. This subtle growth in winter sea ice since scientists began measuring it in 1979 was initially surprising, they say, but makes sense the more it is studied. "A warming world can have complex and sometimes surprising consequences," researcher Ted Maksym said this week from an Australian research vessel surrounded by Antarctic sea ice. He is with the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts. Many experts agree. Ted Scambos of the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Colorado adds: "It sounds counterintuitive, but the Antarctic is part of the warming as well."

www.usatoday.com...

Btw, your link doesn't appear to work for me.

edit: btw SnF for starting a good discussion

edit on 14-10-2012 by Renegade2283 because: (no reason given)

Huh?

The argument is, The Artic is melting -- why? Global warming, if this continues, the ice will melt and the sea level will rise and that will be our demise.

That argument is 100% flawed. The earth is the earth, it is a whole. I.E. If Ice is melting in the north, but growing in the south, the sea level remains the same, or gets LOWER, not higher. And if GLOBAL temperatures were raising, so too, would they raise in the south.

See, what's happening, is the ice is just moving -- the same amount or MORE exists than before.

For this to be true is obvious evidence that global warming is NOT real. All it means is the earth's patterns are constantly changing as they always have. Did we not have an ice age before modern man? Yes. Did we not have a hot age before that? Sure did.

And guess what? Neither of them had anything to do with modern man.

This is not rocket science, this is logic, history, and pattern trending.

"It sounds counterintuitive, but the Antarctic is part of the warming as well."

It sounds counter-intuitive because it is. Ice can only be made at temperatures sub 32ºF. In order for ice to grow quicker, it must be quite a bit lower than that -- and if the Antarctic was warming, this would be 100% completely impossible. The ice would slow down in growth until it got to the point it started melting, it wouldn't accelerate in growth, the only way it could do that is by COOLING.

It sounds again, counter-intuitive -- because the person who made that statement is outright lying.

Originally posted by Renegade2283

edit: btw SnF for starting a good discussion

Thanks for being measured and mannerly.

By the way, I meant that arguing with climate scientists was like arguing with a wife, not arguing with you. Wives are always right even when wrong.

BTW, that ostrich doesn't have its head stuck in the ground.

I still find it interesting that climate scientists can claim that melting Arctic ice is global warming but growing Antarctic ice is also global warming.

It is. It is just like arguing with my wife.