Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released...

We also cant forget that almost everything we use in our everyday life is made from oil. And even if we came up with an alternative vehicle it would still require oil to make billions of new cars. Which I don't think we have enough oil left on the planet for. Just look around your room at everything made from plastics, rubber, paints, polyester, and many other materials. Those all require oil to be made. And when those are made they produce pollution. People forget how big a role oil plays in our life.

Yer,funny thing is,alot of the stuff that is made from plastic,is absolute rubbish and should of never have been made in the first place.Destroying developed countries manufacturing infrastructure and have the work done for cheaper overseas has caused this.

Most of the things i see in shops are made from Japan,China,Malaysia,Taiwan,etc.There are some decent quality items produced overseas from plastic/rubber/oil i assume.Majority of it is absolute crap as i mentioned before.

I might add,that i barely/if ever even buy any of them items and try to buy local or atleast from my own country! I don't consume all this junk "goods",if you want to call it that.I have no idea where it all goes,probably landfill,what a waste.

So again,it all comes down to,why should i get punished for actions of large companies and governments?

I just don't get what the end goal of all this is,its only seems like suppression of the people to me?

Growth,growth,growth,boom,boom,boom,collapse,collapse,collapse.
We all know it comes in threes,usually.
We are just going around in circles like cattle/sheep roaming around the same piece of farm land,almost just waiting our head to be cut off and the blooded sucked out.

Im only a small time man,like other small time people,almost likes the natives of the world that still roam around.
Except im in a supposed civilized world where everything is flip-flop,backwards and everyone's trying to be cool.

Huh,kinda sounds like that movie Idiocracy.

It's not a carbon tax. It's carbon pricing. A tax is an excise a government arbitrarily cut from its constituents in order to bolster public coffers. I.e., there is no transaction taking place. A sales tax has no direct transaction with the government; said institution simply takes a cut based on some arrived at figure. A price for carbon pollution expelled (say, per tonne) is a transaction. This, by very definition, cannot be a form of taxation. For it's effectively a business arrangement. The term "tax" is bandied around because it's a great buzz word for opposition governments to elicit fear by focusing on what non critical thinking voters hold most dear: money. This is why the power of the vote being equal in either an intelligent person's hands or an that of an abject dolt's, is a fundamental flaw of democracy.

That technical stuff you've posted sounds good 'n' nice and all,but from what ive been hearing and reading in my area.People are getting higher power bills and also benefit receivers get payments to do with the carbon tax.
Now those two things have nothing to do with the "pricing on carbon" or the buying and selling of carbon credits,which is the only thing that will have to the do with the "pricing on carbon",even when it does become floating on the stock market.

Sounds more like some sort of tax to me.Otherwise it shouldn't be affecting people barely at all,only companies.

It may not seem like much quite yet,that's understandable.It hasn't been in effect for that long.Once the years go on and its on the stock market,things will change alot.It will become like the case of lost superannuation for the average person because it disappeared in the abyss we call the stock market when it crashed.Only with "carbon dollars" ill call it,if you will.

Then scandals of politicians selling/giving credits to companys they are in bed with will come out.Or worse,waver the whole tax,"carbon pricing" altogether for them.

These kinds of things go on now and did before any sort of "carbon pricing" was introduced or thought of,why wouldn't it now with this?
You would be silly to think otherwise.

It will go on,it just smells of trouble and lies to me.It is.

Oh global warming is real all right, the only reason the graph doesn't go through the roof is because the icecaps melting are covering it up. When that ice is gone in ten years there will be some major problems, none of which a carbon tax is going to do anything about. We cannot stop the cycle but we can lessen mans acceleration of the global event, which involves nothing that requires taxation. Limiting air travel is the best way to combat global warming and the second way is to stop pouring chemicals that hurt vegetation into the environment. Stop cutting forests down for stupid things. Let the forests grow and recycle the carbon to the earth.

The US government sees a way to pay off their national debt, well, getting rid of the pork seems like a better alternative. Quit stimulating the economy to make our creditworthiness look better and start paying down debt. I think all air flights should have a hundred dollar extra tax on them. Don't tax heating fuels, tax things where people waste money. But I forgot, wasting money builds the economy, rats, conservation will never be allowed.

Global warming is real. Man supplies the acceleration, he does not create it. We have brought it up a couple hundred years forward. That causes problems because nature has not adjusted properly. Quit moving things all over the world also, natural predators of insects and problematic species of animals and fish is becoming a major problem that is getting costly to correct. This tax is just to raise government income, they could just raise taxes to pay off the debt but they would rather deceive us because they like deception better than truth. We have elected wizzards to run our government. they constantly shift our focus.

Global warming is real. Man supplies the acceleration, he does not create it. We have brought it up a couple hundred years forward. That causes problems because nature has not adjusted properly. Quit moving things all over the world also, natural predators of insects and problematic species of animals and fish is becoming a major problem that is getting costly to correct. This tax is just to raise government income, they could just raise taxes to pay off the debt but they would rather deceive us because they like deception better than truth. We have elected wizzards to run our government. they constantly shift our focus.

Good suggestions,all things ive though of myself.I would vote for them ideas if i had the power to employ them.

You say "global warming",we say "global warming",Remember there is a environment outside of Earth though and the effects and events that happen outside of the Planet can change our environment for better or worse faster than you can say...

Sure,mankind have a somewhat contribution to destroying the surface crust and atmosphere.Its just that though,the crust,the crust itself is quite thick let alone the inner layers.

But hey,im not saying trash the place,im all for a healthier and happier planet and people.

We go through global warming everyday.Its called the...

Sun

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I'm not looking forward to winter this year, I home it's El Nina and global warming. I hope we break records here for the nicest winter we have ever had. I hope the north magnetic pole moved a hundred miles this year so we enjoy a warmer and no storm winter. I don't care if it snows a foot each saturday and warms up to twenty all week long.

I'm just hoping for a pipe dream, one that doesn't involve a constant use of a chimney flue pipe.

Come on now, are you really that dim that you trust the Daily Mail to give accurate reporting about anything at all, let alone global warming?

Here's a link to the Met Office website
www.metoffice.gov.uk...

Notice their actual data:



Yep that's what data look like when they're being submitted for actual scientific review, not bastardized for publication in the Daily Mail.

Just for kicks, let's look at global surface temperature data from NASA:



Huh! I see something of a trend appearing!

How about NOAA? Let's have a look:



What's that? All the major weather research institutes in the world agree on this point, Met Office included? Huh. Well I guess I'll just stick my fingers in my ears and keep reading my tabloid rag.

I cant believe people still believe global warming isn't happening. Anything to get that oil under the Arctic I guess.

Then again, there are people who believe the Holocaust was a hoax and that we didn't land on the moon. Its funny how something can slap you in the face and people still deny it.

Oil is not a finite resource it is made via a chemical process in the centre of our planet do not believe the lies you are told.

Of course the holocaust was not a hoax it just didn't happen like you think it did, Hitler started executing the jews when the jewish bankers who had funded the war refused to give him anymore money as they wanted Israel and Churchill who was beaten agreed to hand it over to them as the jew bankers in return agreed to get America involved and help Churchill.

And the moon landings well I don't know much about those but have read they would of needed so much coolant to shield them from the heat that it was impossible in that size spacecraft

So I would challenge you to go find out how much coolant is needed to shield the Apollo missions but I bet you won't

Originally posted by jinni73
Oil is not a finite resource it is made via a chemical process in the centre of our planet do not believe the lies you are told.

Of course the holocaust was not a hoax it just didn't happen like you think it did, Hitler started executing the jews when the jewish bankers who had funded the war refused to give him anymore money as they wanted Israel and Churchill who was beaten agreed to hand it over to them as the jew bankers in return agreed to get America involved and help Churchill.

And the moon landings well I don't know much about those but have read they would of needed so much coolant to shield them from the heat that it was impossible in that size spacecraft

So I would challenge you to go find out how much coolant is needed to shield the Apollo missions but I bet you won't

Wow, nazi apologism and moon landing denialism, all wrapped up in abiogenic oil theory. Hat trick!

do not believe the lies you are told.

How appropriate. Do you believe everything you read? Some people actually prefer to stick with facts and evidence...

Phew! Now that Global Warming fear mongering is finished we can move onto the asteroid propaganda fear mongering instead. I wonder when the first story will break about our impending doom from outer space?

Read through the lies!

To the OP.

The answer is probably that knowing about it is one thing and doing something about it is another (yes i know I just stated the obvious). They worked for 40 years getting that Hummer but, don't forget they also put solar panels on the roof which helps keep the bathroom light on as they only wanted to spend enough for a 12" x 12" panel.

Greed is the common denominator today. Especially in the world of public speaking, Politics and or CEO's in agencies of public concern i.e.: H.U.D., F.E.M.A., and Shriners.

Thank God there are exceptions. Though, it scares me that I cannot think of one off the top of my head. Yikes!

"Global warming stopped 16 years ago."
So how much is big oil paying you for this one? You are getting payed right?

Well here's what science have to say about it all.

news.nationalgeographic.com...

globalwarmingisreal.com...
phys.org...

There's plenty more where that came for.
Just let me know...

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The problem is that there are now various reports to contradict these findings. Some of dubious funding, admittedly but then some of the pro global warming reports are also of dubious funding.

Some key points to consider for me.

1) Why are the ice sheets growing in Antarctica?

2) Why are some glaciers growing in the Southern Hemisphere?

It is clear there are various factors at play here and that our understanding of what is, lets face it, a brand new branch of science are growing every year. As such, you would expect some ideas to be abandoned, others to be strengthened, etc. For example, the information (with link) provided by Happykat (think it was the other ongoing thread) regarding the role of CO2 in the process, and how new developments have led to our understanding being turned on its head.

Looking at the evidence, what seems clear to me is that climate is changing. Everything else is up for argument! Personally, i think that man has an infinitesimal effect compared to the Sun and "space weather", but that man does still have an effect. Pollution though is undeniable and does need sorting out.

Originally posted by Ghost375
People lie on the internet. Don't believe something just because it fits with your notions of reality.

Exactly. That means even Big Paid Media, which wants us to go back to a stone age, could be lying to us. What if all this "ecological" craze and green campaign were just another big marketing campaign to promote bee-hive-like society, loss of freedom, more taxes, and imposition of new laws? So far, I see every reason to think Green campaign is another form of communism or national-socialism. Ever wondered why the Big Media keeps pushing Al Gore back on the stage?

Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by Summerian

 

The problem is that there are now various reports to contradict these findings. Some of dubious funding, admittedly but then some of the pro global warming reports are also of dubious funding.

Some key points to consider for me.

1) Why are the ice sheets growing in Antarctica?

2) Why are some glaciers growing in the Southern Hemisphere?

It is clear there are various factors at play here and that our understanding of what is, lets face it, a brand new branch of science are growing every year. As such, you would expect some ideas to be abandoned, others to be strengthened, etc. For example, the information (with link) provided by Happykat (think it was the other ongoing thread) regarding the role of CO2 in the process, and how new developments have led to our understanding being turned on its head.

Looking at the evidence, what seems clear to me is that climate is changing. Everything else is up for argument! Personally, i think that man has an infinitesimal effect compared to the Sun and "space weather", but that man does still have an effect. Pollution though is undeniable and does need sorting out.

Exactly, exactly! Of course man has an effect. But it's small compared to all other factors! We are entering a zone in space which is high in cloud-like gas. The Rift, remember? That means the Sun will dim down. Earth will experience cooling! It's physics! More ice means more reflection, and here you go, a chain reaction - going in the total opposite direction than what the Big Paid Media told us! Sorry, I don't believe newspaper anymore! They are corrupted! Corrupted, as in "we want to promote an agenda for a New Order of things"!

Originally posted by jinni73
And the moon landings well I don't know much about those but have read they would of needed so much coolant to shield them from the heat that it was impossible in that size spacecraft

So I would challenge you to go find out how much coolant is needed to shield the Apollo missions but I bet you won't

Precisely! And look at their gloves! They are so thin, they allow almost total finger flexibility, yet they resist total void! How the heck can their fingers resist expansion in total void with gloves so thin? And if these small glove can, then why the big bulky suit?

Originally posted by Summerian
"Global warming stopped 16 years ago."

That's you being objective and logical? "If people don't believe in Media Promoted Global Warming THEORY, then it means they're all being paid by oil companies"? Ooh, so then alot of people must be friggin rich! I wonder why there is still a low-income class!

Geez, wake up, people! Global warming is a theory, unsupported by on-the-ground facts! If anything, the world is undergoing LOCAL warmings, and big areas of COOLING!

Y'all... I am going to make a thread on this "global warming theory" very soon. I hope some of y'all will see... It's right in front of y'all's faces! Data on global trends is tempered with to compensate measurement bias! THEY TAKE OFF A COUPLE OF DEGREES FOR THE 1900s AND ADD A COUPLE OF DEGREES FOR THE 2000!

www.appinsys.com...

See www.appinsys.com... for more info on Hansen’s data manipulations.

The following figures show a more recent example of the GISS re-adjustment of data (from: Bob Tisdale at i44.tinypic.com...). The 2000 and 2009 versions of the GISTEMP data are compared. This shows the additional artificial warming trend created through data adjustments.







Since 2000, NASA has further “cleaned” the historical record. The following graph shows the further warming adjustments made to the data in 2005. (The data can be downloaded at data.giss.nasa.gov...; the following graph is from www.theregister.co.uk...). This figure plots the difference between the 2000 adjusted data and the 2005 adjusted data. Although the 2000 to 2005 adjustment differences are not as large as the 1999 to 2000 adjustment differences shown above, they add additional warming to the trend throughout the historical record.

Originally posted by swan001
Exactly. That means even Big Paid Media, which wants us to go back to a stone age, could be lying to us. What if all this "ecological" craze and green campaign were just another big marketing campaign to promote bee-hive-like society, loss of freedom, more taxes, and imposition of new laws?

Well then it would be awfully coincidental if the data just so happened to support the notion that the earth is warming due to an excess of greenhouse gasses. Oh wait...

Originally posted by swan001

Originally posted by Summerian
"Global warming stopped 16 years ago."

That's you being objective and logical? "If people don't believe in Media Promoted Global Warming THEORY, then it means they're all being paid by oil companies"? Ooh, so then alot of people must be friggin rich! I wonder why there is still a low-income class!

Geez, wake up, people! Global warming is a theory, unsupported by on-the-ground facts! If anything, the world is undergoing LOCAL warmings, and big areas of COOLING!

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global warming does not, and never has, meant it gets warmer everywhere. the climate change as a result of global warming could mean an ice age in some areas

you'll still be here claiming it's a theory when london summers are 4 weeks long ?

lol

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Renegade2283

 

Then again, there are people who believe the Holocaust was a hoax and that we didn't land on the moon

Yes, they are ironically the same ones who believe in global warming.

Must be a typo. The Nazis are those skinheads and white hood wearing members you see at the Tea Party conventions and they are the same ones who claim global warming is a hoax...

They also claim the earth is only 6000 years old, rape does not result in pregnancy, 80% of the Democrats are Communists, and Evolution is a lie straight from the pit of hell.

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First of all, that supposed research is only going back 250 years, which really is nothing. Second of all, that research is cherry-picked. It wouldn't take much to find corroborating evidence that clearly states the contrary to what you claim, or that website claims, so I doubt the researcher had no bias because he could have clearly and easily found evidence to the contrary...

Third of all, you do know that innocent people have been, and are put in prison even with the best evidence gathered?... This claim that "it was accepted by a judge and a peer of juries" is nothing but a red-herring...

Fourth of all, it is a known fact that during warming cycles, as the Earth's atmosphere warms it can hold more water vapor which molecule by molecule is 10 times more potent than CO2, and it exists in far larger volumes on Earth's atmosphere than CO2 does, or ever will.

In the Troposphere, which is the atmospheric layer close to the surface where most weather events, and all wether/climate events that affect the surface occurs, water vapor accounts from about 95% - 98% of the greenhouse gas, meanwhile CO2 and other trace gases account for 2% - 5% of the greenhouse gas. These are only GUESSTIMATES, as no one knows with 100% certainty.

As it is water vapor can exist on Earth from 1%-4% by volume as a gas on Earth's atmosphere, and CO2 exists as 0.039% by volume, yet it is claimed by the AGW religious camp that CO2 is worse than water vapor, than the Sun, and everything on Earth and space?...

This is part of the reason why AGW has become nothing but a religion full of lies and hoaxes...