Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released...

Originally posted by newcovenant
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Must be a typo. The Nazis are those skinheads and white hood wearing members you see at the Tea Party conventions and they are the same ones who claim global warming is a hoax...

They also claim the earth is only 6000 years old, rape does not result in pregnancy, 80% of the Democrats are Communists, and Evolution is a lie straight from the pit of hell.

Obviously you are also ignorant on the history of the U.S., the skinheads you talk about have democrat values, they are the same people from the old south who wanted to keep slavery because they wanted free labour...

The Democrats were also the rich robber varons in the south who owned plantations, and even the poor in the south were all Democrats. They were the ones who invented the KKK, alongside being the ones, and still quite a few do to this day, who hated/hate blacks, hispanics, and other races...

It was the REPUBLICANS, under a REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT, Abraham Lincoln, who fought against slavery, not the democrats...

To TRY to erase the shameful history of the Democrats, and with the help of the rich bank elites, these people started indoctrinating and tried to erase the history of this nation and who really is behind groups like the KKK and the lynchings, and murders committed by mostly DEMOCRATS throughout the last 100 years against blacks, hispanics, and other races, as well as their deeply felt racism.

Hell, they have been so successful that they made the Democrat Party as the "peoples' party", and the Republican Party as the "party of the rich" in the minds of many poor, uneducated Americans, when in fact since the creation of this nation the Democrats have always been in favor of the rich and wanted to put bankers in charge of the nation, and it's economy, and it was PROGRESSIVE Democrats who successfully put the banker world elites in charge of this nation's economy and politics when they implemented the Federal Reserve Act, as well as funding the IRS as it exists today, alongside various other leftist legislation, under Woodrow Wilson, a PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT President, and with the help of a Democratic Congress in 1913... The Republican Party was the party of the people, and the one who helped liberate slaves in this nation...

Since the takeover by the banker world elites and with the help of the left, these people systematically setup to destroy the real "party of the people", and to change the minds of many Americans to embrace the Democrat Party and destroy the real party of the people through corruption the last 100 years...

Seriously, the lies the left love to tell are just hilarious and saddening at the same time...

Apologies for going off topic, but I just had to respond to such blatant lies...

Originally posted by BlindBastards
It still astounds me that people believe in the man made global warming myth. It simply is not true. It’s just a tax grab, that’s it. If it’s all true, then why do those purporting it fly all over the world constantly, live in giant mansions and drive big gas guzzling cars?

It's much more than that, my friend. It's an INDUSTRY. The light bulb nonsense, the 90 million in gov backed loans to failed solar energy companies. Al Gore and his HUGE carbon footprint made untold wealth on this scam. His was indeed an inconvenient truth.

One thing about the OP - you may be right, but just as I argue the few hundred years of data doesn't really tell us what the true patters are on a 450 BILLION year old planet, I wouldn't get too worked up analyzing 17 years - unless it's simply to negate the whole argument, which I agree with you on. We may be headed into a period of stabilization or cooling. Who knows? They can't tell me for certain whether it's going to rain 3 days from now.

It's now known that we were in the middle of a mini-ice age as recently as during the American Revolution. This planet heats and then it cools. Rinse and repeat. Half of this nonsense is industry based, the other half the left trying to guilt you into believing this tall tale to begin with.

The troubling thing to me is, despite the lack of consensus, many scientific TV programs now state "because of man-made global warming, these polar bears...". Oops, thanks for the agenda, Mr. Wild Kingdom.

First global cooling now global warming. The world will do what it is supposed to do if we think we can affect the planet more than the external forces put upon it then we are really powerful.

In my home town there used to be snow on the ground every winter(texas) when i was growing up it was non existent and the temperatures got hotter no rain with milder winters.

The last few years the winters have been going back to cold winters with much rain.

Looks like a cycle to me but people will do whatever to make us buy this man made global warming bullcrap that will lead to a carbon tax

I do not understand these twits who believe that just because global warming could not be true it is an excuse to pollute our environment. people who think like this are idiots.

why is anything that goes against global warming supposedly an attempt to support pollution??? health reasons and quality of life are reasons should be enough to motivate us from pollution.

but all of you who tout the earth will die due to global warming have been conditioned by fear. You are all little alberts

Originally posted by flashtrum

It's much more than that, my friend. It's an INDUSTRY. The light bulb nonsense, the 90 million in gov backed loans to failed solar energy companies. Al Gore and his HUGE carbon footprint made untold wealth on this scam. His was indeed an inconvenient truth.

It's interesting that you can perceive a profit motive at work in climate science, and yet you apparently discount the incredible incentive that oil and industry in general has to muddy the water and cast doubt on climate science.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
It was the REPUBLICANS, under a REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT, Abraham Lincoln, who fought against slavery, not the democrats...

Hey cool, you actually know some history! Now try learning about the history of american politics as it has changed in the time since Abraham Lincoln (approximately two hundred years... it's not as if anything ever changes in a couple hundred years, right?)

Originally posted by wirehead
Hey cool, you actually know some history! Now try learning about the history of american politics as it has changed in the time since Abraham Lincoln (approximately two hundred years... it's not as if anything ever changes in a couple hundred years, right?)

Hell, thanks to the PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS the entire nation is in the hands of the world banker elites... Republican Senators were warning people even back in 1913, and as Woodrow Wilson and Democrats stated they wanted these changes to occur, that the Federal reserve was owned and controlled by world banker elites who were not really part of the U.S. government and had no love for the U.S... Of course even the Republican party has been corrupted since the leftist world banker elites have controlled this nation since 1913 and have slowly changed it for the worst.

They have done the same to the entire world as the world banker elites control the World Bank, the IMF (International Monetary Fund), the UN, and other world organizations which have as part of their goal the same implementation for their One World Socialist/Fascist Government derived from corporate governance...

Now these same people are using the Anthropogenic Global Warming hoax/lie to make people accept the One World Socialist/Fascist Order "to combat Climate Change and other crisis" which these people created...

Anthropogenic Global Warming was invented by these people, and Climate Change is being used as an excuse to implement the goals these people want...

I have presented proof to this fact which these people are not even ashamed to make these goals available to the public...

“The governments of Europe, the United States, and Japan are unlikely to negotiate a social-democratic pattern of globalization – unless their hands are forced by a popular movement or a catastrophe, such as another Great Depression or ecological disaster“

These governments would not accept a "social-democratic pattern of globalization" unless their hands are FORCED by a popular movement (Occupy and Anthropogenic Global Warming movements), another Great Depression (the current GLOBAL economic crisis), or an ecological disaster (Global Warming been blamed on humans)

Democratising Global Governance:

The Challenges of the World Social Forum

by

Francesca Beausang


ABSTRACT

This paper sums up the debate that took place during the two round tables organized by UNESCO within the first World Social Forum in Porto Alegre (25/30 January 2001). It starts with a discussion of national processes, by examining democracy and then governance at the national level. It first states a case for a "joint" governance based on a combination of stakeholder theory, which is derived from corporate governance, and of UNESCO's priorities in the field of governance. As an example, the paper investigates how governance can deviate from democracy in the East Asian model. Subsequently, the global dimension of the debate on democracy and governance is examined, first by identification of the characteristics and agents of democracy in the global setting, and then by allusion to the difficulties of transposing governance to the global level.

www.unesco.org...


If you can't find the part where it says "unless their hands are FORCED by a popular movement or a catastrophe, such as another Great Depression or ecological disaster", just put that in google and you will see that link to the Unesco paper will show up with that line as part of the search...

I am not saying that we must not take care of the environment, but when they want to sequester atmospheric CO2 is also part of their plan to depopulate the world...

When you lower the amount of atmospheric CO2 you lower the yields/harvests worldwide, and can and will even stunt the growth of all green biomass on the planet. This in turn will make all green biomass need more water which will leave less water for us humans, and for animals. It is a known fact that with higher atmospheric CO2 than exists now not only do we get more food from all plants and trees but they also make better use of water, which means all green biomass use less water leaving more for us and for animals...

Apart from this the rich are becoming richer, and the poor get poorer, not to mention that their other goal to get rid of the middle class will occur as they implement more and more taxes "in the name of combating Climate Change", when in fact they won't stop nor mitigate Climate Change since it is NATURAL...

I haven’t read through the whole thread, but I believe that global warming is not true.
I think that having a half or 1 degree rise or fall is normal. Its like breathing. The earth “breaths” and this is the effect.
What I have heard though, although I have nothing to back it up with, but something worthwhile considering is what I heard one evening while two accountants were talking.
They said that global warming is bull. What is happening is that big multinational and global industries and corporations are buying many acres of forest (eg amazon etc) which they now own and use that as their alibi sort of speak.
For example, (I don’t know much so don’t crucify me with the numbers. They are only used as examples) lets say that company “A” leaves a carbon footprint of 10 but owns enough forest that produces 20 oxygen, but the restriction is at 8.
The government goes to the company and tells them that the are above the average and should reduce it. This is where the forest they own comes in. the company shows them that they own enough forest to balance this problem out. They show them that they produce 20 oxygen so they have a surplus of 10 oxygen, and this way they back off.
Now for the rest of the oxygen that remains, they rent to other big corporations “B”, “C”, “D” etc that need it so they too can cover their excess carbon footprint for a large fee.
In this way they produce more money. A lot of money.
As for the forests and green that is out of reach they try to destroy it with fires, because with fewer forests and less oxygen, the higher the renting fee for those who need it and can afford it.
In all of this we the simple people and small jobs are caught in this web and pay for all this green stuff through electric bills etc.
I personally don’t think that puny old people that we are on earth, can harm earth.
Some just take advantage of things for a profit.

Thought I’d add what I’ve heard.
Peace.

Ok I had thought I would stop following this thread but then this article came up and I found it very important to post.

US trounces UK in climate scepticism jibber-jabber

The article details the increasing efforts by researchers to determine the patterns of "uncontested scepticism" in the media. One such study, Painter and Ashe report, determined that "of the three main [US] cable channels (CNN, MSNBC and Fox News), Fox was the most likely to be dismissive of climate change science." The authors also note that although there have been a number of studies of the "organizational links between climate scepticism and conservative think tanks/business communities" that have "resulted in a tendency to view it as a discourse with conservative affinities," those studies' conclusion have not been tested outside the US.

www.theregister.co.uk...

I find oddly coincidental that I came across this.

What do you know our good ol' friends Fox News doesnt believe it, and they are strictly conservative, hmmmm....

reply to post by wirehead


Didn't you know that the CRU, which are the ones who publish the hadCRUT data deleted all their original files with the original temperatures which means nobody can check if their numbers are correct?...

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Thus it is with some surprise to observe CRU going through bizarre contortions to avoid releasing its climate data to Steve McIntyre. They first told him that he couldn't have it because he was not an academic. I found this to be a petty reason for keeping data out of the hands of someone who clearly wants to examine it for scholarly purposes. So, wanting to test this theory I asked CRU for the data myself, being a "real" academic. I received a letter back from CRU stating that I couldn't have the data because "we do not hold the requested information."

I found that odd. How can they not hold the data when they are showing graphs of global temperatures on their webpage? However, it turns out that CRU has in response to requests for its data put up a new webpage with the following remarkable admission (emphasis added):

We are not in a position to supply data for a particular country not covered by the example agreements referred to earlier, as we have never had sufficient resources to keep track of the exact source of each individual monthly value. Since the 1980s, we have merged the data we have received into existing series or begun new ones, so it is impossible to say if all stations within a particular country or if all of an individual record should be freely available. Data storage availability in the 1980s meant that we were not able to keep the multiple sources for some sites, only the station series after adjustment for homogeneity issues. We, therefore, do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (i.e. quality controlled and homogenized) data.

Say what?! CRU has lost track of the original data that it uses to create its global temperature record!? Can this be serious? So not only is it now impossible to replicate or reevaluate homogeneity adjustments made in the past -- which might be important to do as new information is learned about the spatial representativeness of siting, land use effects, and so on -- but it is now also impossible to create a new temperature index from scratch. CRU is basically saying, "trust us." So much for settling questions and resolving debates with empirical information (i.e., science).
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rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com...

Not to mention that most, if not all temperature stations are found in areas in which temperatures have been increasing artificially over the years and decades because of the "heat island effect" as cities become bigger and bigger throughout the years and decades?...

I made a very long thread some years back with pictures of many of the temperature stations showing where they are found.

As an example of where these temperature stations are, many of them are even close to AC units which release hot air to the outside artificially increasing the temps which the stations record, not to mention that they are surrounded by cement, or are close to parking lots which also artificially increases temperatures recorded by most, if not all of the temperature stations...

Originally posted by Renegade2283
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What do you know our good ol' friends Fox News doesnt believe it, and they are strictly conservative, hmmmm....

You said it yourself "BELIEVE"... AGW is based on "BELIEF" which is why it is a religion...

I find it comical that the link you gave makes no reference to the SCIENTIFIC research from all around the world that clearly demonstrates the ongoing Climate Change is NATURAL...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Well if you actually read through all my responses, I have given several sources that show that climate change is DEFINITELY caused by human action. Also see my new thread for a better breakdown of the article.

Edit: Thread is here www.abovetopsecret.com...

This is my first post on ATS.
Regarding global climate-change, having just taken Geology at my community college - it was taught that
man-made global-warming is an indisputable fact. That the trend our earth should be in right now is global cooling - not warming. Being 41 years old, living in Michigan - known for brutal winters, I have see with my own eyes a remarkable change. For the first time, people say "Michigan didn't have a winter last year".

It is obvious to me that major sites, such as YouTube and even this one, have active dis-informants. People that have an agenda to discredit popular opinion when that opinion intrudes on TPTB. Honestly, it doesn't take a rocket-scientist to see when a topic or argument is actively being discredited, such as this one. There is no rational debate with insanity. I don't care what charts you put in front of me - subjective personal experience trumps objective so-called "facts". You can spout that the Earth isn't warming through human-intervention but suffer through the hottest July, 2nd hottest to that was last years July, 3rd hottest to that was a few years back.. and it just makes me wonder whose agenda you are promoting, that you would argue against man-made climate change. It just reveals how ignorant that person/group is of interdependence.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

You said it yourself "BELIEVE"... AGW is based on "BELIEF" which is why it is a religion...

I find it comical that the link you gave makes no reference to the SCIENTIFIC research from all around the world that clearly demonstrates the ongoing Climate Change is NATURAL...

Anthropogenic global warming is based on evidence. It is the theory which is supported by the evidence, the data we have available. I guess it's okay if you don't understand that.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Obviously you are also ignorant on the history of the U.S., the skinheads you talk about have democrat values, they are the same people from the old south who wanted to keep slavery because they wanted free labour... The Democrats were also the rich robber varons in the south who owned plantations, and even the poor in the south were all Democrats. They were the ones who invented the KKK, alongside being the ones, and still quite a few do to this day, who hated/hate blacks, hispanics, and other races...

What a pack of lies. You are taking lessons from your party leaders aren't you?

Put it in a fancy bottle with a nice label on it and maybe you can sell it somewhere.

reply to post by mjharwood


Well, welcome to ATS.

If your later posts are anything like this then I look forward to hearing your opinion.

Keep up the good work.

-Have a nice day

Originally posted by Renegade2283
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

Well if you actually read through all my responses, I have given several sources that show that climate change is DEFINITELY caused by human action. Also see my new thread for a better breakdown of the article.

Edit: Thread is here www.abovetopsecret.com...

edit on 15-10-2012 by Renegade2283 because: (no reason given)

When someone already has a head full to bursting with propaganda and lies there is no room for accurate facts and the truth. The truth is inconvenient and so they call it a lie.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by newcovenant
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Must be a typo. The Nazis are those skinheads and white hood wearing members you see at the Tea Party conventions and they are the same ones who claim global warming is a hoax...

They also claim the earth is only 6000 years old, rape does not result in pregnancy, 80% of the Democrats are Communists, and Evolution is a lie straight from the pit of hell.

Obviously you are also ignorant on the history of the U.S., the skinheads you talk about have democrat values, they are the same people from the old south who wanted to keep slavery because they wanted free labour...

(etc. etc. lies not worth including)

Since the takeover by the banker world elites and with the help of the left, these people systematically setup to destroy the real "party of the people", and to change the minds of many Americans to embrace the Democrat Party and destroy the real party of the people through corruption the last 100 years...

Seriously, the lies the left love to tell are just hilarious and saddening at the same time...

Apologies for going off topic, but I just had to respond to such blatant lies...

edit on 15-10-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: add comments.

Were you home schooled?
Why not educate yourself instead of spreading blatant lies?

The Myths of Reaganomics

Don't tell me there were no skinheads at the Tea Party Rally, because I was THERE.

History of the United States Republican Party

The GOP expanded its base throughout the South after 1968 (except for 1976), due, largely to its strength among socially conservative white Evangelical Protestants

The South's transition to a Republican stronghold took decades. First the states started voting Republican in presidential elections—the Democrats countered that by nominating Southerners who could carry some states in the region, such as Jimmy Carter in 1976, and Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996; however, the strategy did not work with Al Gore in 2000. Then the states began electing Republican senators to fill open seats caused by retirements, and finally governors and state legislatures changed sides. Georgia was the last state to fall, with Sonny Perdue taking the governorship in 2002. Republicans aided the process with redistricting that protected the African American and Hispanic vote (as required by the Civil Rights laws), but split up the remaining white Democrats so that Republicans mostly would win. In 2006 the Supreme Court endorsed nearly all of the gerrymandering engineered by Tom DeLay that swung the Texas Congressional delegation to the GOP in 2004. DeLay himself went to prison in 2011 for illegally funding the state GOP. In addition to its white middle class base, Republicans attracted strong majorities from the Evangelical Christian vote, which had been nonpolitical before 1980. The national Democratic Party's support for liberal social stances such as abortion drove many former Democrats into a Republican Party that was embracing the conservative views on these issues. Conversely, liberal Republicans in the northeast began to join the Democratic Party.

Originally posted by wirehead

Originally posted by flashtrum

It's much more than that, my friend. It's an INDUSTRY. The light bulb nonsense, the 90 million in gov backed loans to failed solar energy companies. Al Gore and his HUGE carbon footprint made untold wealth on this scam. His was indeed an inconvenient truth.

It's interesting that you can perceive a profit motive at work in climate science, and yet you apparently discount the incredible incentive that oil and industry in general has to muddy the water and cast doubt on climate science.

Wow. Like this argument hasn't been put forth before. "Oh yeah, well, Big Oil". Come on, dude. Fossil fuels still happen to be extremely plentiful despite the social-political boot on the neck of the abundance of oil.

Let's say you are right about the oil industry and their attempt to stay ahead of the game. In a capitalist society, shouldn't we already know that? For example, we know nicotine is bad for us, yet some of us choose to continue to ingest it. Are we really that surprised that tobacco companies would be against the other side of the argument? Except in the case of global warming, or, what is it now "climate change" (because the OP may indeed be correct) solar companies for example simply have Joe Lunchbox's life as priority 1.

I'm "perceiving" nothing. I see capitalism at work - with the exception of when the government attempts to choose the winners in "alternative" energy. What a joke.

Originally posted by newcovenant

Originally posted by Renegade2283
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

Well if you actually read through all my responses, I have given several sources that show that climate change is DEFINITELY caused by human action. Also see my new thread for a better breakdown of the article.

Edit: Thread is here www.abovetopsecret.com...

edit on 15-10-2012 by Renegade2283 because: (no reason given)

When someone already has a head full to bursting with propaganda and lies there is no room for accurate facts and the truth. The truth is inconvenient and so they call it a lie.

Glad you are seeing the err of your ways. Welcome to reality. Global warming is bullpoop.

Originally posted by mjharwood
This is my first post on ATS.
Regarding global climate-change, having just taken Geology at my community college - it was taught that
man-made global-warming is an indisputable fact. That the trend our earth should be in right now is global cooling - not warming. Being 41 years old, living in Michigan - known for brutal winters, I have see with my own eyes a remarkable change. For the first time, people say "Michigan didn't have a winter last year".

It is obvious to me that major sites, such as YouTube and even this one, have active dis-informants. People that have an agenda to discredit popular opinion when that opinion intrudes on TPTB. Honestly, it doesn't take a rocket-scientist to see when a topic or argument is actively being discredited, such as this one. There is no rational debate with insanity. I don't care what charts you put in front of me - subjective personal experience trumps objective so-called "facts". You can spout that the Earth isn't warming through human-intervention but suffer through the hottest July, 2nd hottest to that was last years July, 3rd hottest to that was a few years back.. and it just makes me wonder whose agenda you are promoting, that you would argue against man-made climate change. It just reveals how ignorant that person/group is of interdependence.

"It was taught to me that.....". Have you ever stopped to consider that the liberal teachers that were "teaching" you were actually indoctrinating you? Did you bother to research the issue by yourself? Consider all sides of the argument before deciding what is real? Or do you think your teachers were infallible and you decided to shut up and agree with whatever they taught you?

I already know the answer. I'm hoping you open your mind a bit is all.