Let's count the crazies in the GOP...so far I have 20.

Originally posted by TheOneElectric
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

Never did claim administration, just stated that there was a ban...to be specific: on federal funding
www.nytimes.com...
Born of social conservatism, no?

I surely remember it to be so.

Social conservatism, perhaps, but some conservatives also do not believe in federal funding for everything under the sun. By the same token, for social liberals, if their favorite cause is not funded, that is equal to a ban.

Meh, Regardless, the lack of federal funding did not set back research as evidenced by the procedure I performed with stem cells this morning.

I do not care for social conservatives, mind you: it is none of the state's business who someone has sex with (assuming consenting adults), recreational chemicals ingested, or pornography viewed. What some people miss, and this does irk me a bit, is that social liberals (progressive liberals--the left--Democratic party types--not liberals in the classical sense) are just as much about using the coercive power of government to force their belief systems upon their fellow citizens as the right wing bible thumpers. They just have different pet causes, but the underlying principle is the same.

This is a fun topic but it is very serious too. As a person who lives in a parliamentary democracy/constitutional monarchy, I find it difficult to understand the way that presidential politics is conducted.

I'm not trying to run down republics or presidential style governments. There is no question that they can be very strong if well led and if the checks and balances built into the constitution are alowed to function as intended.

What gets me though, is the focus, during the election campaign, on the person of the presidential candidate with little or no reference made to the record of the party he represents.

It seems insane to conduct politics that way.

In a parliamentary democracy, the likely cabinet officers in any government can usually be predicted fairly accurately. They are usually the parliamentary critics for each government department, when the party in question is in opposition.

Is this true of presidential politics?

It can hardly be if cabinet appointments must be confirmed by the Senate. This is a grey area in the politics of the United States that doesn't enter into the operation of a parliamentary democracy.

In parliamentary governments you vote for the "Rams" and you get the "Rams", not the "Raiders" or the "Bengals". Only in national emergencies do you get an opposition team member in the cabinet.

But most importantly, everybody knows the teams and the players in advance. There are very few unknown quantities, no "pigs in a poke".

I could not narrow down insane things I've heard from Republicans -- not just some bloggers -- but the leaders, the billionaires and their so-called intellectuals to just a dozen, just a few pages. I could be here filling this blog with the nonsense, drivel and the fantasies that support hatred and ignorance for weeks.

There are corrupt people all around -- but there is no more unadulterated purity of moronic, asinine, and debased mental concepts than exists in this fetid party of nitwits. Let's not allow for the usual spate of "equivalency" as though one off comment we once heard if taken the wrong way sounded stupid from a Democrat. No. This is a daily deluge of degeneracy.

One might be pushing for theocracy. Another might be pushing for higher punishments and ignoring any real progress from their previous draconian measures. Another might be wanting to end birth control, and without irony wants to make abortions illegal. Another might be asking that teachers carry guns -- because somehow, a shooting in a crowded move theater covered with tear gas would have been stopped had a dozen people been armed and ready to shoot anyone who pulled out a gun.

God I hope this year is a referendum on all Republicans. I can't stand knowing that we are in ecological melt down and debating Global Warming, or debating whatever stupid thing that they've been told. That drilliing in the artic would lower gas prices for you and me, as if Future's contracts and not having built a refinery in 25 years wouldn't have more to do with the manipulation of prices.

Arguing with idiots over regulations and food for the hungry -- while the Fed printed $16 trillion and the LACK of oversight on financial barons cost us $500 billion at the end of the Reagan Era and more than $6 Trillion (not counting the Fed just printing the money and handing it to the top) at the end of the Bush era. How many school lunches and $%@#$ Big Birds would that add up to morons?

I'm sick of it. I'd rather smack the stupid out of a Republican than talk to them about anything. They are the worlds biggest joke and they huddle in their eco chambers and call anyone who disagrees with them Godless, Anti-American, or a Communist. That means that EVERYONE is an anti-American Commie! Nobody outside of their island of insanity has any respect for these fools, but the Media they call Liberal, keeps the farce going. They have a huge support group for their tea baggers and Libertarians with think tanks and a thousand and one shills.

I imagined all kinds of ways that this country could come under attack, or be subverted -- but I never suspected until 2000 it would be drowned by a flood of mediocre idiots who championed a meritocracy and would constantly claim that there was no way to solve anything but lower taxes, more war or harsher prisons.

OK, I'm so glad I got that off my chest.

reply to post by gncnew

Interesting... Shills come in all colors OP - thanks for demonstrating that.

Just pointing out the facts. You can name call if that's the only defense you got.

Just shows how petty you are. You want to argue this? Either disprove any of these crazy and insane comments and thought process belong to the GOP party or show me 20 Democrats, holding office right now, that are this backward and prehistoric in their thinking. I am convinced there are still some Conservatives who think the world is flat.

reply to post by ipsedixit


Our Presidential elections don't mention the RECORD of the party because it's all driven by nearly a billion dollars spent on commercials. Whether the election is close or not, the news media wants a horse race.

Our system of representation is broken. Campaign fundraising is little more than "briber investment" -- and it guarantees that nobody can afford high office without selling out first to the highest bidder.

Now with the Citizens United ruling (which saw money go directly to Justice Clarence Thomas's wife from a front group created by the Koch brothers), a foreign Country like China can directly "bid" on a candidate. Or the "US Chamber of Commerce" (which is mostly multinationals who make money outsourcing jobs), can influence elections and make sure an anti-union, low tax, robber baron friendly stooge gets the job.


What isn't manipulated by money, is fudged by electronic voting machines that have no oversight and are protected by "corporate secrets" as if making a touch screen add numbers to a database were some kind of high tech that couldn't be produced in a couple weeks at any University. After that, they've got internal spying by people like Karl Rove, who use the NSA and other agencies to get dirt on people.

We've got Turkey, the Mossad, and probably a few dozen other countries, who have extorted and bribed our leaders.

We have many, many companies and wealthy people, who should be in prison. But the bought their way out of jail. Whistleblowers however, go to jail every day. We still have Bradley Manning likely naked and cold in a cell being torn apart by "legalized torture" and he still hasn't been charged until they can trump something up and detain Julian Assange.


Our government is a farce. It's 455 people who pretend to have no control, and yet, all the problems we have, the missing funds, accounting, budget failures that have to be borne by the taxpayers, and deadbeat billionaires who hide trillions in offshore accounts because there is never enough for them -- are absolutely under the control of our Senators, Congress people, Supreme Court and President. They are weak, incompetent or absolutely corrupt. It's easier to count those like Howard Dean or Dennis Kucinich who have integrity, than to count the ones that are compromised.

And the biggest crooks "blame government" and then run for office and do their best to prove "government doesn't work." Then when they leave the job, they work as lobbyists for the industries they just handed all the power while in office.

It's hard to understand, because everyone is lying, and then we've got this corporate media that pretends that the nonsense someone just spoke were reasonable.

>> All our problems would be EASY to fix, if our system weren't so corrupted.

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by gncnew

 

Interesting... Shills come in all colors OP - thanks for demonstrating that.

Just pointing out the facts. You can name call if that's the only defense you got.

Just shows how petty you are. You want to argue this? Either disprove any of these crazy and insane comments and thought process belong to the GOP party or show me 20 Democrats that are this backward and prehistoric in their thinking. I am convinced there are still some Conservatives who think the world is flat.

When you PROVE that a favorite Republican leader has been lying to one of their followers -- you don't get an; "Oh my gosh! I'm disgusted by Romney!" If cornered, they will bring up some OTHER anecdote (whether true or not) of what someone else did. Deflect. Distract. Republicans don't really care about any of the principles they claim to be outraged about. They just want to win? What do they want to win? Not sure. But they seem to only define themselves as the solution if they only get enough power, and that Liberals are something they hate. If the country could go down the tubes and take Liberals with it, they'd be trying to find the stopper to open the drain

I've never gotten a straight answer from Republicans in my life -- I don't think they really know what drives them. But they've got lots of facts and they are almost entirely wrong. The Republican party has grown government the most, brought the biggest deficits, and had the slowest growth by a factor of 2 versus the Democrats -- and yet, that's something they claim is important to them.

You can't argue things based on facts or results, because "caring" in their book is someone who is willing to lie consistently. There is truly a screw lose with these people, and it concerns me that there are so many in this camp.

Oh the irony is strong in this one.



About as hypocritical as Romney now stating he cares about 100% of Americans after stating the exact opposite when he thought no one's listening. The funniest part is that apart from a FAKE apology, the only other action he took was forbidding recording devices in the future

Bunch of clowns...

Originally posted by Jobeycool
This thread shoudl be titled " I hate conservative beliefs and a also spin wildly everything someone says on the republican side without ever asking republicans good questions." Evolutionist are mad in the head over science.No one understands the origin of life. Absolutely absurd how evolutionist continue to get away with teaching evolution as absolute facts.
Evolutionist need to be grilled with hardcore questions because they have become arrogant with science.

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Or you can make the thread title "How to spot liberal agenda miles away."

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And you sir apparently don't get science either because the theory of evolution makes no statements about the origin of life

Doesn't change the FACT that the theory hasn't been debunked in over 150 years and that we're actively applying it in modern medicine. If it were wrong, we wouldn't have a ton of the meds we have today. Evolution is a FACT

And you can't really be call it "liberals spinning things" when all we are doing is DIRECTLY QUOTING those GOP clowns

Open a biology book, educate yourself...at least do it before spouting nonsense

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

Typical attacking and rude. If I am drinking I am sure you are drinking, smoking dope and shooting heroin between your toes. I know you are simply making up lies to get your point across. Like I said in an earlier post. This is the way you guys roll. Romney is doing the same thing. People like him all of a sudden, because he has adopted a "NEW and IMPROVED" moderate stance he either hid from his base or flip flopped on.

The truth not only hurts - it is ugly and festering, right out in the open, for everyone to see.

You were the one who started with this "you don't know what rape is" nonsense. LOL. You start off being rude and stupid and then get snippy when called upon it? Hypocrite much?

The fact of the matter is that the Franklin amendment was about banning arbitration in DOD employment contracts and the fact of the matter it is stupid to call someone "pro-rape" for voting against it. The side exploiting rape for political expediency in that matter if Frankin.

Well! Sorry you were having such a rough go of it you want to call me rude and stupid when all I have ever been is civil to you. As you know I was responding to your own words in quotes and not paying attention to the argument you were having with another poster.

When I said "you" I meant many of those in the GOP with some of these insane, illogical, not based on a whisker of science... ideas. so possibly you are off meds or something and I will let it go. They do not know what rape IS, how girls get pregnant or about evolution so it is strange to hear YOU say they are "politicizing" rape when it SHOULD be called out.

Now you might go far with a little advice my grandfather gave to me whilst sitting on his knee as a young lad. Use it when people get you upset, rather than lose your mind attacking me when you are backed into a corner.
I have used it here considering some of the responses (ahem, like now) and I recommend it to those who are defending the position of the thread, which is simply: MANY in the GOP are batsh# crazy and do not deserve to be dog catchers much less public officials speaking for the State they hail from.

I do not say ALL the GOP.

I have some upstanding Republican friends myself and I would go to the mat for them.
There are Democrats I would not spit on if they were on fire.

I judge people by what I see them say and do.

Not what others have told me about them. Including you and the Peliso and Frank smear campaign earlier. You are going to have to give me even crazier than Maxine Waters or at least 17 more. LOL

Anyway here is the advice for you and my wise friend, VitriolAndAngst, and any others who can benefit from it:

Originally posted by NavyDoc
,,,
Because it is not and the entire premise is a dishonest one. Typical leftist Saul ALinsky type tactics...put in a broad reaching bill that is not on topic, untenable, unweildy, and just a bad piece of legislation and then accuse support for something horrendous that really has nothing to do with why the person voted the awful piece of legislation down and then claim some sort of moral victory. Meh. It is so old and obvious at this point. Frankin is a liar and that website lies and anyone who bothers to read the legislation, can easily see the lies going on.

The funny thing is, that you pretty much admitted it in the your last few posts with "they do it too" and "what is good for the goose is good for the gander". It is pretty obvious that you also know this is just a bit of disingenuous slander for political gain.

edit on 10-10-2012 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)

You seem to be glossing over the entire thread of LOOK AT THIS CRAZY TALK by Republicans. I've been reading people quibble over the same mommy-state or federal spending garbage for years. Your PARTY IS TOTALLY CORRUPT and when not, they are TOTAL MORONS, then you've got the corrupt morons to shake it up a little.

"Frankin is lying" -- sure, I've heard Republicans say that all the time. He's probably a communist too! Back up your statements.

The topic is about Todd Aiken, Michael Malkin, about a few hundred totally crazy comments that these nitwits have said. How can you support a party that has nothing but crazy in it? What is the point of all these nuanced pretenses about "unwieldy bills" when you've got a half dozen felons who ripped off Indians on your team trying to tear it down?

Do I need to post all the charges on these people? All the fraud, the snake healers, the embezzlers, and child molesters?

Once again, the topic here is CRAZY REPUBLICANS. Not one or two debates about policies that you can use to move the discussion to something comfortable. There are quite a few of your leaders who should be institutionalized, and they already AGREE WITH YOU about the policies you love -- but that's not the point. Right?

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst

Originally posted by NavyDoc
,,,
Because it is not and the entire premise is a dishonest one. Typical leftist Saul ALinsky type tactics...put in a broad reaching bill that is not on topic, untenable, unweildy, and just a bad piece of legislation and then accuse support for something horrendous that really has nothing to do with why the person voted the awful piece of legislation down and then claim some sort of moral victory. Meh. It is so old and obvious at this point. Frankin is a liar and that website lies and anyone who bothers to read the legislation, can easily see the lies going on.

The funny thing is, that you pretty much admitted it in the your last few posts with "they do it too" and "what is good for the goose is good for the gander". It is pretty obvious that you also know this is just a bit of disingenuous slander for political gain.

edit on 10-10-2012 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)

You seem to be glossing over the entire thread of LOOK AT THIS CRAZY TALK by Republicans. I've been reading people quibble over the same mommy-state or federal spending garbage for years. Your PARTY IS TOTALLY CORRUPT and when not, they are TOTAL MORONS, then you've got the corrupt morons to shake it up a little.

"Frankin is lying" -- sure, I've heard Republicans say that all the time. He's probably a communist too! Back up your statements.

The topic is about Todd Aiken, Michael Malkin, about a few hundred totally crazy comments that these nitwits have said. How can you support a party that has nothing but crazy in it? What is the point of all these nuanced pretenses about "unwieldy bills" when you've got a half dozen felons who ripped off Indians on your team trying to tear it down?

Do I need to post all the charges on these people? All the fraud, the snake healers, the embezzlers, and child molesters?

Once again, the topic here is CRAZY REPUBLICANS. Not one or two debates about policies that you can use to move the discussion to something comfortable. There are quite a few of your leaders who should be institutionalized, and they already AGREE WITH YOU about the policies you love -- but that's not the point. Right?

So basically, it is "here is my position and damned if I'll listen to anything that disagrees with it and no one should dare contradict it." Point proven, thanks.

reply to post by VitriolAndAngst


What he is doing is a lot of "yeah buts..." and trying to change the subject.

Like I said ...the only way to argue this is to do one or the other.

a) prove they didn't say it

b) show me 20 Democrats holding office right now that are apparently this academically stupid.

And he can't do it, or at least hasn't yet.

There are quite a few of your leaders who should be institutionalized, and they already AGREE WITH YOU about the policies you love --

BTW ...this was great! Institutionalized is right! That's the scary thing about this party.
Dems denounce their crazies. These people embrace them.

reply to post by NavyDoc


As evidenced by your procedure, there was a work around.The technology and application WAS hindered. What you don't seem to realize is that it could have existed an optimal form, that we'll see in 2020ish. That could have been today, but for one reason or another it wasn't. Your procedure could have been exponentially more precise, and possible regenerative on a scifi level.

reply to post by MrXYZ


That's a good irony there Mr XYZ....I'll bet it happens more than we know. Especially since they don't seem to know how babies are actually made. LOL

Scott DesJarlais, Pro-Life Republican Congressman And

Doctor, Pressured Mistress Patient To Get Abortion

Originally posted by TheOneElectric
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

As evidenced by your procedure, there was a work around.The technology and application WAS hindered. What you don't seem to realize is that it could have existed an optimal form, that we'll see in 2020ish. That could have been today, but for one reason or another it wasn't. Your procedure could have been exponentially more precise, and possible regenerative on a scifi level.

Considering that fetal stem cells were still researched with, just without federal funds, I do not see how one can come to that conclusion. FDA approval was a greater delay factor for the procedure coming to market than the stem cell research itself.

You left out so many, such as Palin and Bachmann, Trump and now Jack Welch. You left out Garcia, a Miami Rep congressman. You left out governors Rick Scott, Scott Walker. You left out the state-level pols throughout Alabama, South Carolina and Georgia. You left out a handful of truly crazy guys in TX removing critical thinking from school curriculum because it threatens "fixed beliefs." You forgot on TX guy running for U.S. Senate. You left out nuts from southern CA and a grove of lunatics in AZ. You left out the AK wingnuts. You left out "Christian" pastors around the country praying for the death of gay people and supporting American "missionaries" in Uganda pushing the government there to execute homosexuals. You left out tons of neocons (Cheney, Senor, Bolton, etc., who may not be religious nuts, but are pathological warmongers though almost NONE have served in the military). You most definitely left out Scalia, who thinks precedent in the law is sound when criminalizing sex between consenting adults of the same gender.

Mark my words, the cult of despair and destruction that is the modern Republican party is THE greatest threat to humanity today because each election cycle their numbers increase on school boards, city councils, state legislatures, the U.S. Congress and Senate. They are very close to having the numbers to control everything, including the greatest military and nuclear arsenal on the planet. These are people for whom Israel is important only in its role in the fantasy of Apocalypse and are chomping at the bit for getting the whole thing started already.

It is all our fault they have so much power, we lazy, apathetic, self-absorbed, ignorant Americans who can't see reality and for whom everything decent and humane is seen as a socialist plot set about to destroy their Gods Wal-Mart, Monsanto, Exxon, Goldman Sachs, Halliburton, etc..

The best we can hope for is for the sane western nations to literally declare the U.S. a terrorist nation, implement sanctions, seize our overseas assets and forbid all tourism to the U.S. Only then do we have a prayer of snapping out of it, and if not, may they plot our destruction before we destroy the world.

Originally posted by newcovenant

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

Typical attacking and rude. If I am drinking I am sure you are drinking, smoking dope and shooting heroin between your toes. I know you are simply making up lies to get your point across. Like I said in an earlier post. This is the way you guys roll. Romney is doing the same thing. People like him all of a sudden, because he has adopted a "NEW and IMPROVED" moderate stance he either hid from his base or flip flopped on.

The truth not only hurts - it is ugly and festering, right out in the open, for everyone to see.

You were the one who started with this "you don't know what rape is" nonsense. LOL. You start off being rude and stupid and then get snippy when called upon it? Hypocrite much?

The fact of the matter is that the Franklin amendment was about banning arbitration in DOD employment contracts and the fact of the matter it is stupid to call someone "pro-rape" for voting against it. The side exploiting rape for political expediency in that matter if Frankin.

Well! Sorry you were having such a rough go of it you want to call me rude and stupid when all I have ever been is civil to you. As you know I was responding to your own words in quotes and not paying attention to the argument you were having with another poster.

When I said "you" I meant many of those in the GOP with some of these insane, illogical, not based on a whisker of science... ideas. so possibly you are off meds or something and I will let it go. They do not know what rape IS, how girls get pregnant or about evolution so it is strange to hear YOU say they are "politicizing" rape when it SHOULD be called out.

Now you might go far with a little advice my grandfather gave to me whilst sitting on his knee as a young lad. Use it when people get you upset, rather than lose your mind attacking me when you are backed into a corner.
I have used it here considering some of the responses (ahem, like now) and I recommend it to those who are defending the position of the thread, which is simply: MANY in the GOP are batsh# crazy and do not deserve to be dog catchers much less public officials speaking for the State they hail from.

I do not say ALL the GOP.

I have some upstanding Republican friends myself and I would go to the mat for them.
There are Democrats I would not spit on if they were on fire.

I judge people by what I see them say and do.

Not what others have told me about them. Including you and the Peliso and Frank smear campaign earlier. You are going to have to give me even crazier than Maxine Waters or at least 17 more. LOL

Anyway here is the advice for you and my wise friend, VitriolAndAngst, and any others who can benefit from it:

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You are right, I haven't been able to whisper you out of your bias just yet. Fighting on the internet is like wrestling a pig, you both get dirty and it annoys the pig.

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by gncnew

 

Interesting... Shills come in all colors OP - thanks for demonstrating that.

Just pointing out the facts. You can name call if that's the only defense you got.

Just shows how petty you are. You want to argue this? Either disprove any of these crazy and insane comments and thought process belong to the GOP party or show me 20 Democrats, holding office right now, that are this backward and prehistoric in their thinking. I am convinced there are still some Conservatives who think the world is flat.

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Hmm, my whole post actually had much more to it than your small quip.

You're using straw-man arguments and pointing out a small group of people to disparage an entire segment of people (might I add, a majority of the nation), yet I'm the one being simple minded?

All I did was point out that you seem to lack the critical thinking that you're touting here when it concerns the other political party.

And no, other than the "Flat Earth Society" - nobody thinks the earth is flat. The notion that one's political leanings could in some way be a measure of their intelligence is - well, stupid.

What I find most amusing is the premise by many "liberal" minded people that those who are "conservative" minded lack intelligence based mostly upon the fact that they simply disagree, when a truly "enlighten" person would recognize that most of these "disagreements" stem from unprovable things that require a certain amount of faith to begin with.

Yet - to prove a point and feel better about yourself, you've hand picked a group of local idiots and put them up as hood ornaments on your drive to claim superiority...

Weak.

Originally posted by pajoly
The best we can hope for is for the sane western nations to literally declare the U.S. a terrorist nation, implement sanctions, seize our overseas assets and forbid all tourism to the U.S. Only then do we have a prayer of snapping out of it, and if not, may they plot our destruction before we destroy the world.

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I posted the video of Hillary (Lady Ha Ha) Clinton telling various Middle Eastern and North African leaders that they had to exert pressure on Russia to fall in line with NATO policy and that Russia, China and others would "pay a price" for not following the NATO line on Iran, and said that one day at a meeting like that, everyone is just going to get up and walk out.

I hope they do.

Like most people around the world, if you really take the trouble to look, I think America is great. Most people do. But this agressive military crap has to stop. In the 21st century, we should be way past all that sort of thing when it comes to solving problems.

This comes from another thread, but believe me, this is true around the world. America conquered the world a long time ago, but nobody let those goons at the Pentagon in on the secret.

Originally posted by guohua in the thread, What's it like living in China for the past 6 years without going back home ? Ask me! PART 1

www.abovetopsecret.com...



They may hate our freedoms, but they sure don't hate our "Hooters' Girls".

America is too powerful to be run by oligarchs. The American people themselves have got to get back into the act.

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
Our system of representation is broken. Campaign fundraising is little more than "briber investment" -- and it guarantees that nobody can afford high office without selling out first to the highest bidder.

I know exactly what you are talking about. This was covered in a book by a journalist named Stevie Cameron called On The Take focusing on the corruption that operated during the administration of Prime Minister Brian Mulroney (contemporary with Ronald Reagan), here in Canada.

Mulroney's Progressive Conservative Party adopted a method of fundraising that had been perfected by the Republicans in the United States and used American experts to show them how to operate. Basically it was "campaign funds for lucrative contracts", what I like to call fractional reserve robbery.

This kind of thing is poison to good government. The most egregious recent example of this was the spending of 1.2 Billion dollars for a G8/G20 conference in Toronto by the government of Prime Minister Steven Harpur, another Conservative (think Republican). A similar conference in Philadelphia just a couple of years prior spent 12 Million dollars on security.

The collateral damage from this kind of "payola" is incalculable and is ruining our society, our societies, around the world.