Let's count the crazies in the GOP...so far I have 20.

Originally posted by badgerprints
Many would claim that there are about 160 million crazies in the GOP. Many would claim that there are about 160 million crazies in the Democratic party.

Looking at our elected American politicians as a whole, I'd say we've got about 320 million crazies on our hands.

LOL. Just look at Maxine Waters and her shennanigans. That, sir, is an example of bat# crazy...then you go the whole "Guam might tip over and sink" episode, LOL.

Originally posted by badgerprints
Many would claim that there are about 160 million crazies in the GOP. Many would claim that there are about 160 million crazies in the Democratic party.

Looking at our elected American politicians as a whole, I'd say we've got about 320 million crazies on our hands.

Nothing that can compare to this level of incompetency and deceit.
Just unfit to do their jobs and quite dangerous to boot. Nothing that has such a direct and devastating impact on us all. I wouldn't call someone guilty of a crime or even a poor choice or a mistake, hell someone caught having sex is not such an immediate and critical danger to the rest of us as these "job creator" supporters are. They don't mean small business. Job Creators is just a euphemism for....THE RICH. You get that don't you? You are not going to get a job, you are going to get a pay cut.

Beware the deceivers.

That should ring a bell to folks on ATS, and in the case of this party... a 13 state alarm. I am only half kidding. Years from now, (maybe only 4) when we find how how DIABOLICALLY INSANE this party really was, others are going to say ...

REALLY? WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST CLUE?????

Granted there are crazies in the GOP.
And of course, plenty in the Democrat party.

But I think what happens in many instances
is more of the lock step thing that Republicans do.
So even if they don't really believe Obama
eats only Christian Kittens, for example,
they'll say it's true in public, if it furthers the GOP's interests .
That lockstep phenomena is somewhat unique to the GOP.

S and F NewCovenant,
Your Romney debating himself is priceless
and so important for learning bait and switch techniques.

SF. Republicans have some good ideas, but horrible leaders.

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One more



Village idiots!! The democrats have idiots too, but these guys are just plain dumb on an entirely different scale.

6 days?? IS HE INSANE??? Someone tell him we live in the 21st century and not the middle ages



Crazy fundies need to shut up and let the sane rest of us get on with our lives...

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We started to address that issue in the 2010 midterms and have unfinished business to attend to in November.

To the OP
It's fun to label crazies on both sides of the aisle... all the more reason to get serious about strict term limits in The House and Senate. All of that power rots the brain equally... just look at the crap that oozes out of Pelosi's mouth and Barney Franks rear end... Detached and completely out of touch with reality and the average constituent.

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unfortunatly the best leaders dont win, whoever spends the most money does.

Anyone who would vote for either establishment party is crazy IMHO.

Vote for real change; Vote Cthulhu in 2012.

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You raise another issue altogether. Let's require all of the candidates to raise the same amount of money prior to an official campaign start date. Then let them spend it in the best way possible. Let strategy take the lead over pure dollars and the notion of throwing it all against the wall to see what sticks.

Originally posted by jibeho
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We started to address that issue in the 2010 midterms and have unfinished business to attend to in November.

To the OP
It's fun to label crazies on both sides of the aisle... all the more reason to get serious about strict term limits in The House and Senate. All of that power rots the brain equally... just look at the crap that oozes out of Pelosi's mouth and Barney Franks rear end... Detached and completely out of touch with reality and the average constituent.

This is far from fun. This is FRIGHT NIGHT. Pelosi and Frank have made some poor choices, granted but if I were on a deserted island I'd choose Pelosi and Frank over these folks who seem to have a hinge permanently unscrewed.

Originally posted by newcovenant

Originally posted by jibeho
reply to post by theconspirator

 

We started to address that issue in the 2010 midterms and have unfinished business to attend to in November.

To the OP
It's fun to label crazies on both sides of the aisle... all the more reason to get serious about strict term limits in The House and Senate. All of that power rots the brain equally... just look at the crap that oozes out of Pelosi's mouth and Barney Franks rear end... Detached and completely out of touch with reality and the average constituent.

This is far from fun. This is FRIGHT NIGHT. Pelosi and Frank have made some poor choices, granted but if I were on a deserted island I'd choose Pelosi and Frank over these folks who seem to have a hinge permanently unscrewed.

Barney Frank? The guy who had a prostitution ring, "no problem with Fanny or Freddie," contributions from Frannie and Freddie, opposition to housing reform, kickbacks to Reams, Barny Frank? Trustworthy? You have got to be kidding.

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Look up who killed Dodd-Frank and made it ineffective...allowing those big investment banks to screw us all over again in the future

And your prostitution ring comment is ridiculous as that would be illegal...and he hasn't done anything illegal. He hired a male escort which developed into a relationship with that single dude. He paid his bills with PERSONAL funds until he found out that guy was A) cheating and B) still working as an escort on the side. When he found out he kicked him out of the house.

Guess how often that happens to guys dating escorts

How about you do some research before posting nonsense? Because if you don't, you're not better than that GOP candidate

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Prescott Bush had known affiliations with the Nazi Party and nobody went back that far to check. We have a Communist Party so I just don't see why West finds it necessary to lie and libel others for political gain

Originally posted by MrXYZ
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Look up who killed Dodd-Frank and made it ineffective...allowing those big investment banks to screw us all over again in the future

And your prostitution ring comment is ridiculous as that would be illegal...and he hasn't done anything illegal. He hired a male escort which developed into a relationship with that single dude. He paid his bills with PERSONAL funds until he found out that guy was A) cheating and B) still working as an escort on the side. When he found out he kicked him out of the house.

Guess how often that happens to guys dating escorts

How about you do some research before posting nonsense? Because if you don't, you're not better than that GOP candidate

edit on 9-10-2012 by MrXYZ because: (no reason given)

How about do some research into the topic before you castigate someone. In 2008, during an investigation about mortgage reform, he testified that nothing was wrong with Fanny and Freddy. That is a fact.

Congressman Barney Frank has served on the House Banking Committee since becoming a congressman in 1981 and became the ranking Democrat on the committee in 2003. He became chairman of the committee, now called the House Financial Services Committee, in 2007. The committee is the primary House body which along with the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) has jurisdiction over the government-sponsored enterprises such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Congressman Frank received more than $40,000 in campaign donations from Fannie between 1989 and 2008. According to OpenSecrets.com, this places Congressman Frank at 16th on the list of those receiving funds and 5th in the House. Political action committees financed by both Freddie and Fannie have contributed $3,017,797 to members of Congress since 1989. And according to the July 16 issue of Politico, the two entities have spent a whopping $200 million to buy influence – including not only campaign donations to members of Congress, but also presidential campaigns and lobbying efforts.

Statements Opposing Regulation(Text taken directly from NYT)

On September 10, 2003, the Bush administration recommended regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry. The overhaul was to create a new agency within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The administration's proposal, which was endorsed in large part today by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, would not repeal the significant government subsidies granted to the two companies. And it does not alter the implicit guarantee that Washington will bail the companies out if they run into financial difficulty; that perception enables them to issue debt at significantly lower rates than their competitors. Nor would it remove the companies' exemptions from taxes and antifraud provisions of federal securities laws.

After the hearing, Representative Michael G. Oxley, chairman of the Financial Services Committee, and Senator Richard Shelby, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, announced their intention to draft legislation based on the administration's proposal. Industry executives said Congress could complete action on legislation before leaving for recess in the fall.

''The current regulator does not have the tools, or the mandate, to adequately regulate these enterprises,'' Mr. Oxley said at the hearing. ''We have seen in recent months that mismanagement and questionable accounting practices went largely unnoticed by the Office of Federal ousing Enterprise Oversight,'' the independent agency that now regulates the companies.

''These irregularities, which have been going on for several years, should have been detected earlier by the regulator,'' he added.


Among the groups denouncing the proposal were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.

Representative Barney Frank, currently the senior Democrat in the House Financial Services Committee, stated the following in response to the new proposal:


When Treasury Secretary John Snow tried to push for the regulatory body, congressman Frank responded

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are not in a crisis...the more people in my judgement that exaggerate the threat of safety and soundness, the more people conjure up the possibility of serious financial losses to the treasury which I do not see...I think we see entities which are fundamentally sound...the more pressure that is there, the less I think we see in affordable housing

"Dating" an escort and giving him money for his "time" is illegal.

Summary of EventsIn September of 1989, the House Ethics Committee agreed to investigate Congressman Barney Frank concerning his relationship with a male prostitute. The investigation was apparently in response to a request made by Congressman Frank himself.

On April 1, 1985 Steve Gobie met Congressman Barney Frank after Congressman Frank answered a classified ad in the Washington Blade which read as follows:

Exceptionally good-looking, personable, muscular athlete is available. Hot bottom plus large endowment equals a good time.
The facts surrounding the next 18 months are listed here:

•In their initial encounter, Congressman Frank paid Mr. Gobie (then 28) $80 dollars for sex
•Steve Gobie had felony convictions for possession of coc aine, oral sodomy and production of obscene items involving a juvenile
•Congressman Frank assisted Mr. Gobie by paying his attorney and court-ordered psychiatrist stemming from his previous convictions
•Congressman Frank hired Gobie as his personal aide, housekeeper, and driver
•Congressman Frank paid Mr. Gobie $20,000 from his personal funds without withholding and taxes
•Congressman Frank used his office to dismiss 33 parking tickets that Mr. Gobie had acquired
•Congressman Frank wrote a letter on congressional letterhead attempting to alleviate Mr. Gobie's probation to allow him to leave the state as his personal aide, and stating that he was indeed employing Mr Gobie (a condition of his probation)
•Steve Gobie ran a prostitution ring out of Congressman Frank's apartment and when the landlord brought it to the Representative's attention in 1987, Congressman Frank ended his relationship with Mr. Gobie
•Congressman Frank publicly stated at this time that he was gay; in part to prevent possible blackmail from Mr. Gobie (according to Congressman Frank)
•Mr. Gobie sought to sell his story in 1989 and this prompted Congressman Frank to ask for the investigation into his relationship with Mr. Gobie both to prove that he had no involvement in the prostitution ring, and to remove the incentive for Mr. Gobie to sell his story.

Mr. Gobie has consistently maintained that Congressman Frank was aware of his prostitution activities within Congressman Frank's house, and that the aide position was a cover for probation purposes. He has stated that Congressman Frank would sometimes call before heading home to ensure that nothing illicit was taking place prior to returning home.

He knew exactly what I was doing. It was pretty obvious. If he had to come home early [from work], he would call home to be sure the coast was clear . . . . He was living vicariously through me. He said it was kind of a thrill, and if he had been 20 years younger he might be doing the same thing."

Congressional ResponseAfter a 10 month investigation, the committee found the following (as reported by the Boston Globe) (Note that the misleading memo was the one written to the probation board claiming that Mr. Gobie was working for Congressman Frank and may need to leave the state as a requirement of that job.:

that Frank had violated House rules by writing a misleading memo that was used in an effort to end prostitute Stephen Gobie's probation on felony charges and by allowing his House privileges to be used to waive 33 parking tickets that Gobie might have received while driving Frank's car.
The recommendation was that Congressman Frank be reprimanded for his actions. The house voted to do just that on July 26, 1990, stating that Congressman Frank for reflecting "discredit upon the House."



The reaction from other Congressional members was mixed with most Democrats still supporting Congressman Frank and most Republicans calling for him to resign. Congressman Thomas Foglietta (D-PA) believed that Congressman Frank had simply been duped and stated:

Barney Frank is accused of being stupid and, my friend, if being stupid were grounds for expulsion, there'd be very few of us left here.

You might want to do some research before knee jerk defense of dishonest and corrupt politicians. You sound like a democratic shill otherwise.

reply to post by NavyDoc


Yes...Barney frank is gay...not sure what the story is there? That he once paid a gay prostitute?

See the difference is that Barney Frank came out, and he himself called for an investigation into his involvement with the gay prosititute...so that the truth was out there.

Larry Kraig....refuses to to admit being gay, while screaming about the dignity of marriage, bashing gay people and seeking BJs from cops in airport Bathrooms.....

Still can't tell the difference?