LAKOTA SIOUX NATION Secession In Progress and YOU are invited to join them!

Originally posted by Pervius
I've been following the Lakota succession for a few years. The Indians were mad a year or two ago when US Army helicopters started landing on their land where long ago the US Army slaughtered the indians.

The Lakota have been contacting foreign governments to get those foreign countries to recognize they ain't part of America anymore.....Well they never WERE legally part of America anyways.

Those Indians will be slaughtered again. They're gonna soon be dead. There's a tiny portion brave enough to speak out and try to keep sovereign....they'll be dead soon.


If the Lakota wanted to rock the World, they'd announce they accept all the Palestinians and are forming a joint Palestinian State in America.....boy wouldn't that get them far more support? Going alone they'll never survive.

I'm on their team. If they start dieing like you say.............. Yes.

"Upon suffering beyond suffering: the Red Nation shall rise again and it shall be a blessing for a sick world. A world filled with broken promises, selfishness and separations. A world longing for light again. I see a time of Seven Generations when all the colors of mankind will gather under the Sacred Tree of Life and the whole Earth will become one circle again. In that day, there will be those among the Lakota who will carry knowledge and understanding of unity among all living things and the young white ones will come to those of my people and ask for this wisdom. I salute the light within your eyes where the whole Universe dwells. For when you are at that center within you and I am that place within me, we shall be one." - Crazy Horse

Maybe that Horse wasn't so Crazy, or was he Crazy like a fox? Although I don't agree with the foundation of the old native teachings, I can't disagree with their conclusions that the world is sacred and it was our duty from the creator to take care of it, to have respect for the gifts given to us, and to seek understanding of unity. As opposed to allowing the root of all evil and selfish materialism to control our decisions in life.

"I do not think the measure of a civilization is how tall its buildings of concrete are, But rather how well its people have learned to relate to their environment and fellow man." -Sun Bear

"When the white man discovered this country Indians were running it. No taxes, no debt, women did all the work. White man thought he could improve on a system like this." -Cherokee Saying

Maybe a few old wise teachings could do a bit of good for this world.

reply to post by The GUT


I have that homeland security magnet on my fridge!

reply to post by Thunder heart woman


Really I think it's a great idea! Makes perfect sense. I think though a lot of people right now are panicing unnecessarily though. They're perfectly find but yet they'll do things that make them a target without even realizing it. I just was saying that if you're not being sought by TPTB then just don't stand out in a crowd and don't go earning too much money and you should for the most part leave you alone. But ya it's a good idea for sure.

Lets not forget Unam Sanctam. Hope they have a good lawyer!!

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
I hate to be the wet blanket on his rain dance, but he's being absurd and an idiot. I have every respect for the Native American culture and peoples.....despite what the conditions of a few decades have done to them in several areas of the nation. However? This??

It's interesting that Wounded Knee be a part of his direct past, as we can look to that as to how far this is likely to get. A lot of noise and a lot of trouble, potentially, with a bloody finish...likely...and moving on to the next crisis on the front page when it's over. Nothing really changed and nothing much better for anyone.

I also don't see much for specifics.

When the Indians of New York got their backs up hard over taxes in the 90's, they very seriously threatened to sever the High Tension lines crossing tribal land between Buffalo and Erie. I recall those days as the company I was running for had it's trucking nearly living in the Northeast. The big bonfires they had burning along I-90 at night in protest and to make a statement were spooky.

When Arizona/New Mexico tribes got THEIR backs up about taxes and the Casinos, they threatened to shut down I-40 and either keep it closed or set their own tolls for passage across Tribal lands.

Those actions got attention and brought REAL action from the Government. Concessions in both cases, as I recall the outcomes.... This looks like a P.R. statement so far?

edit on 29-9-2012 by Wrabbit2000 because: minor correction.

this isn't political by nature. it's just the Lakota nation extending their hand in friendship and offering fellow citizens a place to live and be part of. they are disgusted with Washington and are already a sovereign nation so that's nothing new. the only thing new would be that they no longer wish to be associated with the fed government and honestly i don't talk to anyone who does, do you?

i know i for one am deeply ashamed of what my govt. has been and continues to do, i no longer respect them or their doings. i am Seneca but i am also American and i love the people of this great land but the govt. has been very bad and no longer are capable of leading anything nor anyone.

it's funny how when the white man came here what he did to us indigenous people and now today we have a leader of one of these nations offering a hand of hope back to the white man and many ridicule them for it, how backwards is that?????

reply to post by LittleBlackEagle

it's funny how when the white man came here what he did to us indigenous people and now today we have a leader of one of these nations offering a hand of hope back to the white man and many ridicule them for it, how backwards is that?????

The amazing thing is that they WOULD extend a helping hand seeing's how that worked out the first time they did that. No good deed goes unpunished.

I am pleased to see a repeat effort on the part of the Lakota- Sioux to secede. The timing is strategically better suited to success than the effort in '07. Many of us are fed up with our government and would be happy to join up with this endeavor. You can't keep your boot on someones neck without some serious push back.

As far as Casino issues are concerned, you try to support a community on SSI/Disability/Welfare and charity with no viable alternatives... hmmm you could try to beat them at their own game... it is something that you would have control over. It was a choice and some ran with it.

Over time people have been and continue to be stripped of their dignity...circumstances are imposed that are designed to create an atmosphere of hopelessness, resignation and dependance.

Compliance is anathema to humanity.

Originally posted by YAHUWAH SAVES
reply to post by zonetripper2065

 

My thought exactly.... Hopefully he does not get a case of "severe depression" and off himself... ahem...

Do you know that he fought at wounded knee?

It is not like he does not know what is going on, and hasnt been there and done that.

He was at wounded knee for heavens sake.

Originally posted by henrybowman
I am pleased to see a repeat effort on the part of the Lakota- Sioux to secede. The timing is strategically better suited to success than the effort in '07. Many of us are fed up with our government and would be happy to join up with this endeavor. You can't keep your boot on someones neck without some serious push back.

As far as Casino issues are concerned, you try to support a community on SSI/Disability/Welfare and charity with no viable alternatives... hmmm you could try to beat them at their own game... it is something that you would have control over. It was a choice and some ran with it.

Over time people have been and continue to be stripped of their dignity...circumstances are imposed that are designed to create an atmosphere of hopelessness, resignation and dependance.

Compliance is anathema to humanity.

Very thoughtful first post.

And you are right. If anyone knows what its like to have a boot on your neck in the US, it is the Native Peoples.

reply to post by HermitShip


The entire country is going down the drain, you have one group of people that would never consider anything other than keeping things the current way they are because of all the "I's Gets" for free by sucking off the government teet and then another set of folks from all colors, creeds and backgrounds who are saying, "yep, its too much now". It's gone too far, It's over the top now...

It seems that the LAKOTA SIOUX NATION is realizing that "CO-MINGLING" with this current system is destroying their people, culture and self respect and many are very proud of them for taking a stand.

While Obama is giving out more Colored Beads ("Cell Phones", Food Stamps, Assisted Rent, Assisted Pay, Medical, Trade in $ for your car, this $ program and that $ program) in Ohio and sadly a good portion of America thinks thats just fine because after all I have Colored Beads and everyone needs colored beads to feel good about themselves right, to fit in and because it does X, Y and Z for them, and how wonderful President Obama is for giving out all this stuff to help everyone...

Many feel that this is what is exactly destroying our country.

Textreply to post by YAHUWAH SAVES


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Hello,
First of all, this is a link to what this post is about: www.republicoflakotah.com...

My opinion, is that if you have a legit Tribal Identification Number you are recognized by the United States Government as being from a Federally recognized Tribe. This Tribal Identification breaks down to who you are , where you come from and your tribes standing with the United States Government. This identification means you are a Prisoner of War, does not mean you are a special citizen.

So many delegates from various Native American Tribal members have been trying to get help from the United Nations, here is another link that states some more information: www.npr.org...

Now , there is many misconceptions of Native American Tribal entities that have Gaming (casino's) which was authorized by the United States Government The Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (Pub.L. 100-497, 25 U.S.C. § 2701 et seq.) is a 1988 United States federal law that establishes the jurisdictional framework that governs Indian gaming. There was no federal gaming structure before this act.[1] The stated purposes of the act include providing a legislative basis for the operation/regulation of Indian gaming, protecting gaming as a means of generating revenue for the tribes, encouraging economic development of these tribes, and protecting the enterprises from negative influences (such as organized crime).[2] The law established the National Indian Gaming Commission and gave it a regulatory mandate. The law also delegated new authority to the U.S. Department of the Interior and created new federal offenses, giving the U.S. Department of Justice authority to prosecute them.

The law has been the source of extensive controversy and litigation. One of the key questions is whether the National Indian Gaming Commission and Department of Interior can be effective in regulating tribal economic decisions related to Indian gaming. Some in Congress are in favor of greater regulation, while a prominent professor in the field is skeptical that such regulation is effective.[3] Many of the controversies have produced litigation, some of it reaching the U.S. Supreme Court.

Now for me, I am a member from a Native American Tribe The Ho-Chunk Nation of Wisconsin and receive per capita payments due to the revenue generated by our gambling establishments. Now there are some Native American Tribes that have gaming, but do not do so good, the same statement applies here"Location! Location!"
Many non-natives think we are all rich, WRONG! I can say that for my own Tribal Government does not cater to its own people, but to a select few and hire mostly Non-Native Americans to work in these gaming facilities, Why? Because every Native American Gaming establishment is regulated by the State the Tribe is located in, like for instance in Wisconsin, the State regulates what goes on, that was due to the Federal Government hearing the cries of the state, saying that these Tribal Governments would bring in the negatives or dregs of society like Bad people and such.

Realistically, every Tribal Government recognized by the Federal Government of the United States of America are classified as "Quasi-Sovereign" which means: A quasi-governmental organization, corporation, business, or agency is an entity that is treated by national laws and regulations to be under the guidance of the government, but also separate and autonomous from the government.(Source-Wikipedia)

Now to the reason why Mr. Russel Means and the Tribal entity he represents, could be self-recognition, could be they are tired of the things the United States does to their Nation, could be that he(Mr. Russel Means) is working on his career or potential movie or book or maybe he is doing this for his people.

reply to post by chachonee


Further more, not all Native Americans are drunks, dregs of this society in America, nor are we all lazy, there is a lot of bad done to us, not our choice, like for instance our young in my grandparents time, where taken away from their families at a very young age to assimilate them into America, by force and not just asking them , plus they were taken away to schools(concentration camps) far away from the homes and relatives. Sometimes these Schools would write letters telling the parents that their children have died, and really been taken into Non-Native American homes, Good Christian homes.
So many horrible stories and so many Native Americans have gone through so much, yet today they still try to pick up and gather what Tribal people they may find(more so now due to Per capita payments from Native American Gaming) and the infiltration of our religions, like for instance its a felony to use Peyote and controlled substance, that is considered a medicine to Native American Church, and the use of Eagle Parts within our sacred ceremonies, yet non-Native Americans try to partake and use, why? Only they have their reasons and its against the law, not our law mind you, we do not make laws and we do not enforce them.
TT-TTO-NI-K ( My Native American Name gieven to me by my Grandfather(Choka)

There are several serious secessionist movements in the U.S., one in Texas, there's the Jefferson State movement in Southern Oregon/Northern California, the Cascadians which encompasses British Columbia down to mid-Oregon or so, and the most active of all, the Second Vermont Republic which last I heard, stands at about 15% approval rating by the voters there. After this election, it may go even higher...

vermontrepublic.org...

Originally posted by Dustytoad

Originally posted by dayve
how can someone join a Sioux tribe, if they are not Sioux....

By becoming a Sioux... They invited you so they will accept you, but they don't need your baggage. (2007) and still, I am Sioux/Cherokee, and yet I am some random white guy, who is living like any American(poor) but anyway.

You can come join America and be American no matter where you are from. Think about it.

Thats pretty faulty on their part... I dont know any tribes around here you can just be a part of over night without getting a blood test done to prove you are indian... I think its 1/4... I dont think sioux has benefits but most tribes i know get about 2k-3500 a month plus the other perks... Either way, if the Sioux are that desperate and need to do this for whatever purpose, so be it... Glad im not Sioux...

reply to post by LittleBlackEagle


As I said later in the thread....Find anything that supports this as being more than ONE MAN's rather fanciful thinking and borderline delusions and I'll be interested.

I don't mean the broad and hundreds year old battle of the Native American people. I'm well aware of and sympathize entirely with that. I mean the claim in this thread, headline and op, that the Lakota Nation is seceding from the United States Government to form a nation within a nation?

I was never replying to the overall concept of generations and a few hundred years of wrongs and conflict. Just this ONE claim..by this ONE man...who apparently has NO support for ANY of it. Now, wishing or hoping he did is fine, but the fact seems to be.....he flat out doesn't and that makes him no less a laughing stock than anyone else making wild and outrageous claims in a youtube video. The underlying cause he's playing on here doesn't change the fanciful nature of it.

But...link to more than JUST HIM and I'm sure many of us out here will become very interested indeed. It's a promising thought if more than a mere thought is actually shared by more than him.

Originally posted by CB328
I work on a reservation and I wouldn't be too quick to want to emulate them. it's nice that they value nature (as do I) but after seeing how poor, uneducated and lazy most of them are, and how many problems they have I wouldn't want to live with them.

edit on 29-9-2012 by CB328 because: typo

Have you never been to a inner-city neighborhood? You get poor, un-educated, and lazy people everywhere.

I use to live on-rez, and not all peoples are like that, most are "forced" into being poor, and appearing lazy, by lack of gainfull enployment due to discrimination. And as for being un-educated... that is due to the poor quality of the "government funded" schools that are on most reservations. (the same argument could, and should be made for inner-city)

I for one wish I could return to the Rosebud Reservation to live again (being 1/2 lakhota), but will just wish all my brother success. Ti yata.

Originally posted by dayve

Thats pretty faulty on their part... I dont know any tribes around here you can just be a part of over night without getting a blood test done to prove you are indian... I think its 1/4... I dont think sioux has benefits but most tribes i know get about 2k-3500 a month plus the other perks... Either way, if the Sioux are that desperate and need to do this for whatever purpose, so be it... Glad im not Sioux...

I've read this thread and kept my mouth shut because there's such a huge amount of ignorance about the Reservations, Native Americans, what "benefits" People get, etc. There's been a few incidences on this thread of people negatively stereotyping Native Americans and it's usually best for me to just keep my fingers away from the keyboard when that happens ......

.... but your claim? .... I am compelled to inquire about that one:

May I please know what Tribes/Nations get $2,000 - $3,500 a month?!

You state "most tribes (you) know ..." - just how many do you know that get that amount?

And I take this VERY seriously as it is statements like yours that sprout wings and fly as truth; but, in reality, fall into the horrendous myths and rumors of Native Americans not paying taxes, getting free health care, etc. It's not just disinformation, it is WRONG. Most Reservations are worse off than 3rd world countries.

So. Please. Exactly how many of such Tribes/Nations do you KNOW where the citizens get $24,000 - $42,000 per year?

reply to post by SeesFar


I agree with you wholeheartedly, aside from a 3 or 4 trolls that seem to want to DESPERATELY crash this thread, they will not be able to because this is about SECESSION regardless of who when or where! Yet it is excellent that is is bringing attention to a couple of things, that the there really are trolls on these forums and they insist on doing there best to try to derail the fact that there is something GROWING in the USA right now and that is a desire to become set apart from the direction this government is taking things.

Notice how it its either A. this topic is not valid because X, Y Z... FAIL!!!!!!! or B. (INSERT RACIALLY DIVIDED COMMENT VERY SUBTLY)....

Most of the ATS Community I dare say would like to tell each of you Trolls who --should be embarrassed-- by your conduct but are not for your own agendas to let us all have a discussion about WHAT SECESSION means to each community in the USA who are getting fed up with the direction of this country...

The fact that the SOUIX have the ability to make this statement front page top of DRUDGE REPORT yesterday is meaningful and we want to have meaningful conversation...

If you have nothing to add but NO NO NO then SHAME ON YOU and go fly a kite because everyone sees right through you.

I'm curious if this SIOUX would allow others to move into their communities for Native Immunities? Does anyone have any credible information they could lend on this?