The Homosexual Agenda

Originally posted by Bout Time
....is a Log Cabin Republican, huh Grady?

I believe the Log Cabin Republicans witheld endorsing Bush for the upcoming election, so they can be listed in the bad homosexual group now too

Originally posted by W_HAMILTON
And Herman, you tell me. I've never done drugs. I've never had wild sex with random people. I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've gotten drunk in my life. Come up with some other stereotypes about the "gay lifestyle," and I can probably say I've never done those things either. Hell, truth be told, I've never even be with a guy -- certainly not sexually, not even a boyfriend. But I'm still gay. Is that "living the lifestyle" to you? Actually that's a rhetorical question, because I already stated just like myself, you don't know a damn thing about what God wants, so don't try to answer it as if you do. I think I made my point clear.

The gay lifestyle has nothing to do with anything but commiting homosexual acts. If you get married to another homosexual, it's the gay lifestyle. I have nothing against that, but God does (against the lifestyle, not the people). You're mis-interpreting. If a man is married to a woman, that's the heterosexual lifestyle, right? The same thing applies to a homosexual lifestyle. You're right, I don't know exactly what God wants....but I read the bible and I know what he says about homosexuality. I too don't get drunk or have sex with random people. Then again, I'm only 17... I'm trying to remain a virgin for as long as possible. And no, if you've never been with a man sexually you haven't started living the gay lifestyle. God does love you, he will love you no matter what, it's the actions that he hates...not you.

As for the marriage being religious thing, that's no problem to me, like I said, let all marriages be called a civil union, and if they go thru the religious ceremony, let it be christened a "marriage" then. That seems to work for me. I couldn't care less about the religious aspect of marriage, I care about the rights, about what the relationship signifies, about the practicality of being in a legally recognized relationship with someone you are committed to.

Well there you go. That's what I was talking about. Civil unions...same rights as marriages. Just like a marriage without any religious significance.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Originally posted by Bout Time
....is a Log Cabin Republican, huh Grady?

I don't believe that I have passed judgement on homosexuals, Bout Time. You should take your liberal distortion goggles off.

[edit on 04/10/18 by GradyPhilpott]

If only I didn't attend University, or work accounts like those English auction houses. Then, I wouldn't have been privy to the art of insult without ever letting the insulted know that they in fact, have been insulted.
If "Homosexual Manifesto" is not a die of judgement being cast, I don't know what is.

Originally posted by Bout Time
If "Homosexual Manifesto" is not a die of judgement being cast, I don't know what is.

Perhaps the thread is an instrument of projective analysis.

After 8 pages of back and forth crap, no one has gotten anywhere.

I think it might be time to chime in with what you think Grady.

Originally posted by KrazyJethro
After 8 pages of back and forth crap, no one has gotten anywhere.

I think it might be time to chime in with what you think Grady.

I agree, some of us are accepting, some are not. One thing is for sure...even though we are all supposed to "Deny Ignorance", we are pretty stuck in our ways. Everyone is guilty of it, and it can be seen in this thread which seems to be going nowhere like Krazy Jethro has hinted at.

My opinion is of no consequence in this matter. There is nothing that I could say that would not yield further attacks on me, personally, because whatever position I take will be automatically suspect.

Let it just be noted that posts like the the first in this thread are posted here all the time in reference to all manner of populations and movements and it is the rare one that receives the response that this one has.

[edit on 04/10/18 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by W_HAMILTON

Originally posted by edsinger
You folks keep accusing me of hate, yet you still dont get it. You hate me because I will not say that homosexuality is not a sin. That is what you are saying.

Homosexuality isn't a sin. For something to be a sin, it has to be against what God wants. You aren't God. You have no clue what he wants. Don't act as though you do.

Well I feel that the Word of God is the test and it tells us what is right and wrong. If you do not believe then you will not understand my argument. I feel I do have a clue what he wants, I feel that we all do yet choose to ignore it. God created in you the ability t know right from wrong, nature didnt.

Originally posted by Herman
The gay lifestyle has nothing to do with anything but commiting homosexual acts. If you get married to another homosexual, it's the gay lifestyle. I have nothing against that, but God does (against the lifestyle, not the people). You're mis-interpreting. If a man is married to a woman, that's the heterosexual lifestyle, right? The same thing applies to a homosexual lifestyle. You're right, I don't know exactly what God wants....but I read the bible and I know what he says about homosexuality. I too don't get drunk or have sex with random people. Then again, I'm only 17... I'm trying to remain a virgin for as long as possible. And no, if you've never been with a man sexually you haven't started living the gay lifestyle. God does love you, he will love you no matter what, it's the actions that he hates...not you.

(1) No, that's not really a "lifestyle." What if I choose to enter into a relationship with another man, but never have sexual relations. Is that "living the gay lifestyle." I thought homosexual tendencies were acknowledged, but only considered a sin if one acted upon them. If you aren't having sexual relations with someone of the same sex, how do you figure that's living the "homosexual lifestyle."
(2) I already said don't profess to know what God wants, because you don't. Period. Hell, when you can even PROVE there is a God, then I'll listen to everything you say as if you are his own personal messenger, k? Till then, what you THINK God wants has no bearing on me, or anyone really. You are not God.

Well there you go. That's what I was talking about. Civil unions...same rights as marriages. Just like a marriage without any religious significance.

Well no, not quite so easy. It's not, let's give gay people civil unions and give straight people marriages. It's give EVERYONE civil unions, and if they go on to partake in the religious ceremony, then they can call it a marriage -- whether it's a straight OR gay couple (since yes some churches would do gay marriages).

[edit on 18-10-2004 by W_HAMILTON]

Double post

[edit on 18-10-2004 by W_HAMILTON]

Originally posted by W_HAMILTON
, or the priests that told them they were going to hell -- they simply convinced them that they had changed because it was in their best interest.

Ok now I understand. Shock Therapy? geez that is doomed to fail and I do not condone it in any way. It must be a change of heart!

Originally posted by W_HAMILTON
And Herman, you tell me. I've never done drugs. I've never had wild sex with random people. I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've gotten drunk in my life. Come up with some other stereotypes about the "gay lifestyle," and I can probably say I've never done those things either. Hell, truth be told, I've never even be with a guy -- certainly not sexually, not even a boyfriend. But I'm still gay. Is that "living the lifestyle" to you? Actually that's a rhetorical question, because I already stated just like myself, you don't know a damn thing about what God wants, so don't try to answer it as if you do. I think I made my point clear.

So if this is the case how do you know you are gay? Just cause people tell you you are? Have you prayed to your creator and asked for this 'demon' to be taken from you? I think you have maybe been a victim of propaganda, but it is your choice. You CAN change, but it is not easy, and you must recognize just what it is...Prayer can help.

Originally posted by W_HAMILTON
As for the marriage being religious thing, that's no problem to me, like I said, let all marriages be called a civil union, and if they go thru the religious ceremony, let it be christened a "marriage" then. That seems to work for me. I couldn't care less about the religious aspect of marriage, I care about the rights, about what the relationship signifies, about the practicality of being in a legally recognized relationship with someone you are committed to.

Well you seem very reasonable about this. If one would accept the civil union, then that shoud suffice if the same benifits are involved, and all the while without offending every religion in the process. Thank you.

Originally posted by W_HAMILTON
(1) No, that's not really a "lifestyle." What if I choose to enter into a relationship with another man, but never have sexual relations. Is that "living the gay lifestyle." I thought homosexual tendencies were acknowledged, but only considered a sin if one acted upon them. If you aren't having sexual relations with someone of the same sex, how do you figure that's living the "homosexual lifestyle."

You're getting too emotional and not thinking straight. If you get married to another man, it's pretty much agreed 100% that there are going to be sexual relations. If you kiss or have sex...there ya go. Those are homosexual acts.

(2) I already said don't profess to know what God wants, because you don't. Period. Hell, when you can even PROVE there is a God, then I'll listen to everything you say as if you are his own personal messenger, k? Till then, what you THINK God wants has no bearing on me, or anyone really. You are not God.

Again, maybe you're getting angry, I don't know, but you're twisting my words. I'm not saying that what I think is IT. I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to do these things. I'm saying that homosexual acts are against the christian teachings. Marriage is a religious union (In america at least) that's usually christian, catholic, or some other branch of one of the two. You're having a christian reunion with the sole basis of the union being a sin according to said religion. There is no point then. Again, that's why I'm perfectly for civil unions. They grant all the rights, and it's no religious contradiction. Hell, I don't even think it should be a law that gays can't get married. I just think it's a stupid contradiction and they would be better off with a civil union or something not religious(Because of reasons mentioned above).

Well no, not quite so easy. It's not, let's give gay people civil unions and give straight people marriages. It's give EVERYONE civil unions, and if they go on to partake in the religious ceremony, then they can call it a marriage -- whether it's a straight OR gay couple (since yes some churches would do gay marriages).

I didn't say that gays HAD to get a civil union and straight people HAD to have a marriage. I say if a straight person wants to have a civil union...fine, and vice versa. What you're suggesting I meant is called segregation.

Originally posted by edsinger
Well I feel that the Word of God is the test and it tells us what is right and wrong. If you do not believe then you will not understand my argument. I feel I do have a clue what he wants, I feel that we all do yet choose to ignore it. God created in you the ability t know right from wrong, nature didnt.

Honestly, who's to know if our "ability to know right from wrong" is natural. If you could reasonably translate the word of god to anything we would speak or write, then we wouldn't have the situation we have now. The fact remains that we are incapable of understanding god or anything pertaining to it. His word/purpose/design. The "emotion" he shows in the bible are rediculous, and only speak to them trying to connect anything godly into our inept language and intellegence.

You can only do what you feel is right, and there is no problem there.

But I say that since no one is able to truely know and understand God before we die, you can not demonize the opposition.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_ElfMost gays I knew lived totally irresponsible lives, even those of "high" social standing. They engaged in risky, irresponsible acts like cruising, annonomous sex partners, multiple sex activities, risky drug use, and amoral attitudes towards alot of things.

Being where you said you grew up, I can totally understand this statement. When a child looks up and says Dad? that woman has a beard!

So I had to explain to my children what a transvestite was. Was he ever confused?


A lot of hetrosexual people have the 'wild' and 'careless' lifestyle in which you speak. Do you feel that 'gays' are MORE likey to do this? I am curious.


San Fransisco is a very beautiful city, but yet I would never want to live there , even if $$ wasnt a problem. Morality is barely held onto there. the things that are there can be down right....sinful. But Chicago has more gays than SF so that shouldnt be the difference, but it is. Gayness is not as acceptable in the Midwest, as it is recongnized as sin there, in SF it is not for the most part.


Thank you for your post - it was unexpected!

Originally posted by Jazzerman

People around the world comprising of different cultures and religions get "married" just like Christians, so effectively it negates it being a "Christian" practice as well. Different religions treat marriage, well, differently. According to some polygamy is ok, or the various list of others that I referenced before in this thread. Marriage is only defined by the law in the United States...this is why my sister was able to get married even though she is a Wiccan, or why my fiance' and myself can get married even though she is also a Wiccan. Marriage is a legal issue...nothing more!

All over the world for thousands of years people of all religions have been getting married.....but only in the last 50 years have homosexuals attemted to infringe on this hetrosexual right of passage. Why are civil unions with the same benenfits not accpetable?

I have a theory, it is because they yearn for the 'normal' acceptance from the population that will never come. It is abnormal. By getting the 'marriage' per se, they claim a normal lifstyle. Look we already had a 'gay' person say that civil unions would be fine. So why no grant that, as I see no problem with that, but society just isnt ready for this. When they get it do they then expect to be able to adopt children ahead of a mom/dad scenerio? That is the intent of this fight for the marriage. The American people have said that they are overwhelmingly against gay marriage, so why do they keep pushing? You be the judge.

Originally posted by W_HAMILTON

Well no, not quite so easy. It's not, let's give gay people civil unions and give straight people marriages. It's give EVERYONE civil unions, and if they go on to partake in the religious ceremony, then they can call it a marriage -- whether it's a straight OR gay couple (since yes some churches would do gay marriages).

[edit on 18-10-2004 by W_HAMILTON]

Sorry but I have to say something here....what I have bolded IS exactly the agenda in which we speak. Churchs marrying gay people for living in sin? See the irony?

Originally posted by KrazyJethro
Honestly, who's to know if our "ability to know right from wrong" is natural. If you could reasonably translate the word of god to anything we would speak or write, then we wouldn't have the situation we have now. The fact remains that we are incapable of understanding god or anything pertaining to it. His word/purpose/design. The "emotion" he shows in the bible are rediculous, and only speak to them trying to connect anything godly into our inept language and intellegence.

Well I think we ahve what he wants us to know..It is the Word. As obviously a non-believer you cant recognize this. It is a "put in in my hand and let me smell it attitude" of which you are entitled. But dont nessesarily assume you are right, oh wait I do that dont I? See the irony?

Originally posted by KrazyJethroYou can only do what you feel is right, and there is no problem there.

Yep, the famously Clinton statement. "if it feels good, do it"

Originally posted by KrazyJethroBut I say that since no one is able to truely know and understand God before we die, you can not demonize the opposition.

We are told to point it out, you ahve a conscience, it talks to you. All I am saying is that someday you will recoginze that is what makes you different than any other animal. When you ask why and then search, you now know where to look. Thats all, and have a great day, God loves you!

All that would be fine and dandy but I have talked to KJ for a long time and he IS a believer and he damn sure aint a Clinton lover

God dude sometimes you are so funny

Originally posted by Amuk
All that would be fine and dandy but I have talked to KJ for a long time and he IS a believer and he damn sure aint a Clinton lover

God dude sometimes you are so funny

OK well hope you had a laugh,

ANd I do understand that you dont believ what I do, so be it. Many have dies to give you that exact right and I ahve no problem with it. (from other thread)

The problem is that only when a Christian speaks out does the flames fly, I mean lets do everything we can in society to dubunk them at every opportunity.

Well this nation was founded on Judeo Christian principles and worked dam well for 200 years, yet in less than 25, God is being made to be something we should do in our homes, yet any other religion can do as they please...

It a double standard aimed right at Christains.

I dont want to force you to believe at all, that would be false.

But I see no one picking on other religions in here, do you?

Nope its Christains against everyone else and I am definitly in the minority in here..have your fun.....

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Originally posted by edsinger
The problem is that only when a Christian speaks out does the flames fly,

Not so. As far as I've seen, flaming is very much spread out.

God is being made to be something we should do in our homes, yet any other religion can do as they please...

Explain this one, would you?

But I see no one picking on other religions in here, do you?

I see noone representing other religions picking on minorities here, do you?

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