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Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by Hefficide
Without an extreme show of force, Japan would not have surrendered.
Such a thing cannot be known with certainty.
The Japanese were already making known their desire for peace on the proviso that the Emperor was retained on the throne.
The bomb was seen at the time as merely another weapon in the US arsenal and one that they saw no reason not to use, although some had reservations.
The US could have blockaded Japan with it's navy which by the latter stages of the war was larger than all the world's navies combined. The Japanese merchant fleet was decimated as they did not bestow much honour upon being a merchant seaman and thus did little to protect their merchant shipping.
The vast majority of Japan's cities were in ashes or severelly ruined and they pretty much had no oil and few skilled pilots.
The atomic bomb wasn't needed.
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by milominderbinder
reply to post by NavyDoc
...true enough. Ironic, indeed.
Thank you. I appreaciate the injection of objective reason in the thread. I'll star your post for that.
Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by frequentflyer
You should also be aware that when you make such large generalizations
I don't consider the OP's post to be a large generalisation.
On the contrary I consider it to be an astute observation of American foreign policy.
Originally posted by milominderbinder
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by milominderbinder
reply to post by NavyDoc
...true enough. Ironic, indeed.
Thank you. I appreaciate the injection of objective reason in the thread. I'll star your post for that.
No worries. While I do emphatically agree with OP that the US has a MAJOR problem w/ hypocrisy... sorta like you pointed out a few posts ago w/ the guy who wants to end US Interventionism...except for when it's intervention that he thinks is a good idea. That's hypocrisy in action.
Likewise, I really can't understand how the US military could be labeled "terrorists"...but somehow have the IRA escape this same definition. One would say that it's almost...well...hypocritical, I suppose.
Originally posted by coolforschool
The problem with the usa is the majorithy of its people are ignorant and its goverment like All goverments is corrupt to the corr but can easy fool its people by making them think they are the savours of the world
The op says america is hypocritical which it is IT CREATED AL CID DA IT STILL SUPPORTS THEM IN SYRIA AND LIBYA FACT THEY ARE NOT TERRORIST BUT MEAR HIRED KILLERS
What goals do they want to acchevie none that i know of
Also do they really exsist ??? somebody mentioned the IRA they had a goal feck all support from the majoithy of the Irish people and not a lot of money but yet this band of a few paddys with fertalizer held the brithish to randsom and in terror for 30 years or so how come the al qaeda cant do a fraction of this with suposed millions of pounds and people willing to strapp bombs to them selfs ???????
(by the way the op said she was an Irish loyalist so there for she would consider herself british and against the IRA) some people showing there ignorance again
The USA are the bullys of the world and like a bully in a play ground britain is the the little fella behind him shaking his fist say yaeeeeee listen to him or else
HONEST QUESTION WHAT GOOD HAS THE USA EVER DONE FOR THE WORLD??? OR WHAT GOOD HAS IT EVEN DONE FOR IT'S SELF FOR THAT MATTER?????
IM ALL EARS PEACE OUT
Originally posted by coolforschool
HONEST QUESTION WHAT GOOD HAS THE USA EVER DONE FOR THE WORLD??? OR WHAT GOOD HAS IT EVEN DONE FOR IT'S SELF FOR THAT MATTER?????
IM ALL EARS PEACE OUT
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by Hefficide
Without an extreme show of force, Japan would not have surrendered.
Such a thing cannot be known with certainty.
The Japanese were already making known their desire for peace on the proviso that the Emperor was retained on the throne.
The bomb was seen at the time as merely another weapon in the US arsenal and one that they saw no reason not to use, although some had reservations.
The US could have blockaded Japan with it's navy which by the latter stages of the war was larger than all the world's navies combined. The Japanese merchant fleet was decimated as they did not bestow much honour upon being a merchant seaman and thus did little to protect their merchant shipping.
The vast majority of Japan's cities were in ashes or severelly ruined and they pretty much had no oil and few skilled pilots.
The atomic bomb wasn't needed.
And all of the POW from the Bataan death march would have died while we waited offshore and the Japanese Armies in Manchuria, SIngapore, various Pacific Islands, Korea, China, and Vietnam would have continued fighting while we waited and a cost of even more lives.
People do not realize that a single fire bombing raid on Tokyo caused more deaths than the atom bomb. It was the one bomb from one plane that pushed them for surrender. Realise also that they did not surrender after the first one, it took the second one that demonstrated our ability to do this again that caused them to surrender. Little did they know that the first two were all we had and did not have the ability to make more for quite a bit after. It was a bluff, because we did not have another to drop on them at the time. They did not call the bluff.
Originally posted by Sinny
reply to post by NavyDoc
You mean whilst the Bushes and banking cartel families were financing them... ?
Originally posted by coolforschool
No confusion an Irish Loyalist is loyal to the Queen of England.
As for the usa singal handedly beating Hitler i must say it was pure genius to create the Russian winter and convince Hitler he could beat the red army and hold the western front better again creating israel after it was all done and dusted my god you " guyss" really have made the world a better place
oh and lets not forget the genocide of the native amercian people now that was a good one who would of thought germ warfare could be so effective. HOW MANY NATIVE AMERCIAN MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN WERE POSIANED WITH SMALLPOX OR SLAUGHTER BY THE FOUNDERS OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY FOUNDED BY EUROPEANS AND THE BIGGIST HYPOCRISY OF THEM ALL IS WHEN YOU GUYS SAY US TRUE AMERCIANS SURE YOU'S KILLED ALL THEM
so really in hind sight usa is just the pool at the end of the drain pipe from Europe and we all know nothing really nice Nor pure come's out of a drain pipe DOSE IT ???????????????
PEACE OUT
Originally posted by Antonio1
reply to post by Sinny
Funny, you compare the U.S. to 1933 Germany, and say that anyone who defends the U.S. has an agenda, but you somehow don't?
www.pbs.org...
Announcing that it was time to "name names," Lindbergh decided to identify what he saw as the pressure groups pushing the U.S. into war against Germany. "The three most important groups who have been pressing this country toward war are the British, the Jewish and the Roosevelt Administration." Of the Jews, he went on to say, "Instead of agitating for war, Jews in this country should be opposing it in every way, for they will be the first to feel its consequences. Their greatest danger to this country lies in their large ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio and our government." The speech was met with outrage from numerous quarters. Lindbergh was denounced as an anti-Semite.
Originally posted by coolforschool
i DONT WANT TO SEEM INSULTING BUT YOUR THOUGHTS ON IRISH LOYALIST IS IM AFFRAID IDIOTIC IRISH LOYALIST ARE PARAMILITRYS LOYAL TO THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND UNIONIST ARE POLITICIANS LOYAL TO THE QUEEN ALL CONSIDER THEM SELFS BRITISH TRUST ME I KNOW AND IF YOU DONT BELEAVE ME DO YOUR SELF A FAVOUR GOOGLE IRISH LOYALIST PARAMILITRYS AND SEE WHAT FLAG THEY SAIL UNDER I FORGIVE YOUR IGNORANCE IT IS CONFUSING
Tell me why can you not compare two countrys that comite genocide is one people less important than another so the crime of genocide is only a crime if you commit it on a certain race of people genocide the common denomanator usa has that in common with the nazi's weapons of mass destrution the usa has use'd them just like emm emmm i dont know i suppose the usa is on its own with that one