In New York,defiant Ahmadeninejad says, Israel will be eliminated

Agreed with Corruption Exposed 100% because he pretty much said what I had in mind. A lot of MSM tricks are used in this thread, like twisting our own words aganist us. Stop doing that, Neo.

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TEHRAN—Iran's elite military unit, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, has transferred lethal new munitions to its allies in Iraq and Afghanistan in recent months, according to senior U.S. officials, in a bid to accelerate the U.S. withdrawals from these countries.

As opposed to the non lethal munitions being used prior to these arriving

There are other few spots where they add words to make it more sinister. Like rockets and what not to KILL american troops... because those are just special rockets that can ONLY kill american troops not any other opposition/rivals.

Both israel and iran talk a lot of crap. israel has nukes and wouldn't hesitate to use them on iran. iran would do the same, why not just let them have it out since they are so eager to eradicate each other.

Originally posted by roblot
reply to post by ClicheCalvicade

 

Can you elaborate on this, please?

Simple, observe how they are treated in Arab countries. You can do this by looking at statistics such as income and social standing.

I understand, however, isn't that beside the point? Cultural differences of Middle-Eastern nations aside, if there was never an illegal occupation of Palestine, then the whole equation for conflict disappears, does it not?

edit on 25-9-2012 by roblot because: (no reason given)

No, because this Palestine-Israel situation has its roots in anti-semitism. And it's very hard to get at the root of the issue because of emotional arguments that have been spread out for decades.

I found the anti-Jihad add in American subways to be VERY correct, it said something along the lines of:
"In any war between a civilized man and a savage, always pick the side of the civilized man."

Now, if more of us could make that choice earlier on, without being swayed by Saudi Arabian wahabi propoganda, then, we could end any conflict, because we pick the side of civilization - not savagery. Right now, the majority of the Western world doesn't know what to pick. This because people in the West are getting tired of war, plus, war doesn't make sense anymore! Time to pick.

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How can I not agree with this interpretation. He repeats the same slogan every time he speaks. I don't understand the mad defense of Iran or even Israel. They are both power hungry and have a very twisted agenda. My problem is that unfortunately my country (USA) has to defend one of them. I say let them both destroy each other in the name of their maker and stay the He$$ out of it.

Originally posted by dontreally
Iran's leaders are just as "in" with the concept of the Aryan religion as Adolph Hitler and the nazis.

Reductio ad Hitlerum

he Reductio ad Hitlerum is a logical fallacy that consists of trying to refute an opponent's view by comparing it to a view that would be held by Adolf Hitler or the Nazi Party.

According to Strauss, Reductio ad Hitlerum is a form of ad hominem or ad misericordiam, a fallacy of irrelevance, and a variation on reductio ad absurdum, in which a conclusion is suggested based solely on something's or someone's origin rather than its current meaning. The suggested logic is one of guilt by association.

So that is your approach and argument?

As to the rabid racism, a better example would be the treatment of Goim (the rest of us) in the Jewish tradition:

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In fol. 22b of the same book the reason is given why animals especially of the feminine sex must be kept away from their women:

"...because when Gentile men come to their neighbors' houses to commit adultery with their wives and do not find them at home, they fornicate with the sheep in the barns instead. And sometimes even when their neighbors' wives are at home, they prefer to fornicate with the animals; for they love the sheep of the Israelites more than their own women."

It is for the same reason that animals are not to be entrusted to Goi shepherds, nor children to their educators.

5. UNCLEAN

The Talmud gives two reasons why the Goim are unclean: because they eat unclean things, and because they themselves have not been cleansed (from original sin) on Mount Sinai. In Schabbath, (145b) it says:

"Why are the Goim unclean? Because they eat abominable things and animals that crawl on their belly."

Likewise in Abhodah Zarah, 22b:

"Why are the Goim unclean? Because they were not present at Mount Sinai. For when the serpent entered into Eve he infused her with uncleanness. But the Jews were cleansed from this when they stood on Mount Sinai; the Goim, however, who were not on Mount Sinaim were not cleansed."

6. COMPARED TO DUNG

"When ten persons are praying together in one place and they say Kaddisch, or Kedoschah, anyone, even though he does not belong there, may respond Amen. There are some, however, who say that no dung or Akum must be present."

In Iore Dea (198, 48) Hagah, it says:

"When Jewish women come out of a bath they must take care to meet a friend first, and not something unclean or a Christian. For if so, a woman, if she wants to keep holy, should go back and bathe again."

It is worthy of note that the following list of unclean things is given in Biur Hetib, a commentary on the Schulchan Arukh:

"A woman must wash herself again if she sees any unclean thing, such as a dog, an ass, or People of the Earth; a Christian (Akum), a camel,(47) a pig, a horse, and a leper."

7. NOT LIKE MEN, BUT BEASTS

In Kerithuth (6b p. 78) it says:

"The teaching of the Rabbis is: He who pours oil over a Goi, and over dead bodies is freed from punishment. This is true for an animal because it is not a man.(48) But how can it be said that by pouring oil over a Goi one is freed from punishment, since a Goi is also a man? But this is not true, for it is written: Ye are my flock, the flock of my pasture are men (Ezechiel, XXXIV, 31). You are thus called men, but the Goim are not called men."

(48) The same holds for the dead body of any man.

In the Tract Makkoth (7b) he is said to be guilty of killing "except when, if intending to kill an animal he kills a man by mistake, or intending to kill a Goi, he kills an Israelite."

In Orach Chaiim (225,10) it says:

"He who sees beautiful creatures, even though it be an Akum or an animal, let him say 'Blessed art thou Our Lord God, King of the Universe, who has placed such things on the earth!' "

Thank you for reading.

Yours,

Non-Human Beast (according to the Jews).

reply to post by ClicheCalvicade

No, because this Palestine-Israel situation has its roots in anti-semitism. And it's very hard to get at the root of the issue because of emotional arguments that have been spread out for decades. I found the anti-Jihad add in American subways to be VERY correct, it said something along the lines of: "In any war between a civilized man and a savage, always pick the side of the civilized man." Now, if more of us could make that choice earlier on, without being swayed by Saudi Arabian wahabi propoganda, then, we could end any conflict, because we pick the side of civilization - not savagery. Right now, the majority of the Western world doesn't know what to pick. This because people in the West are getting tired of war, plus, war doesn't make sense anymore! Time to pick.

You seem to overlook Israels ethnic cleansing and theft of land.

"In any war between a civilized man and a savage, always pick the side of the civilized man."

How can anyone pick Israels side when they are the ones acting like savages.

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You ONLY know a few facts about the Jewish people in Iran because of some interviews where this "prevalent" information is conveniently shared with the rest of the world by the only Jewish member of parliament, in Iran. To fall for such obvious nonsense is stupid beyond reasoning.

There are actually three members not one. Please show some facts backing up how many took the money that was offered to leave Iran.

So whenever people target Jews in the rest of the world, it's all about punishing the Zionists huh?

I suppose that if Iran actually nukes Israel, it will be solely about the Zionists who rule Israel and not the innocent civlians.

Who cares about them right? They all serve their Zionist masters anyway.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

 

So your saying that Reuters,RT and other media sources are lying and the only people telling the :truth are you and ats members who speak farsi,?

Is that right?

And Reuters is Canadian owned,

en.wikipedia.org...

edit on 24-9-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

As I read up on this thread, you seem to remind me of the sort of person who forms their conclusion first and then looks for anything to support it whilst brushing off anything that's against it.. that's an unhealthy approach to things like this.. I made up a term for things like that around here .. the CDS .. Conspiracy Delusion Syndrome =)

With that said.. my gut instinct is that yes Iran wants nuclear weapons and probably for use against Israel.. I've been suspicious of them denying inspection of the Parchin facility.. And yes, this makes Israel quite nervous... You have Iran which is afraid of Israel, and you have Israel who's afraid of most in the region.. that doesn't exactly make for a relaxing environment.. I can understand in a way why Iran would want that capability.. but it would be very bad news and only escalate the instability of the REST of the region... not just Israel...

I think the truth lies somewhere in between.. I do think Ahmadeninejad is often mis-quoted, actually I don't have to think it - it's quite well known when the reporting agencies themselves go back and offer corrections.. if you think that's not the case then I don't know what to tell you.

I'm at least slightly relieved to have read that Iran might soon allow inspectors to visit Parchin.

Maybe Israel should stop murdering Iranian scientists and provoking warfare.

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
Maybe Israel should stop murdering Iranian scientists and provoking warfare.

Maybe Iran should stop enriching their own Uranium when their own allies have agreed to provide them the necessary fuel to operate their "peaceful" reactors, thus provoking warfare.

It goes both ways I'm afraid.. There's no necessity for Iran to have built centrifuges.. they knew what would come of this.. they chose that less peaceful path on their own..

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by solarstorm

 

Those arms that have gone to Lebannon,Iraq,Afghanistan,and Syria say other wise how many homes has Iran destroyed eh?

Nevermind back to the vilification of Israel.

Wow. You are all over the map. Nobody thinks the Iranian president is a saint. I can say he sure the heck isn't any worse than the corporate puppets running this country. We just happen to have the best PR network the world has ever seen. Leadership wise, the US is probably the most corrupt government in the world. That's a fact. Just because you are told otherwise doesn't conceal reality. Only the extremely naive believe the US is the good guy. There are no good guys. There are only those with power and control.

Every fricken day there is a new story of some senator or congressman at the local or federal level being busted or investigated for something, and these are just the stupid ones that get caught.

US, Israel, Iran...

The real story here is that the people of these countries have more in common than anyone will care to talk about. They get the people to focus on differences with this or that. Same thing for the leaders of these countries, they get the peasants to argue about all these little things and that way are divided and thus neutralized and distracted. The truth is on the big things and things that are important in life we are all mostly in unison world wide. We all want to be healthy, happy, have some spending cash, and want what's best for our friends and loved ones.

None of these people are Saints and none of these "leaders" could give a sh*t less about the average peasant in their countries. We gotta stick together cause in the end it's all that we've got.

You know, people are making the same mistakes with this guy as they did with Hitler. Hitler warned us what he would do with the Jews, nobody listened.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

 

Attack the source without acknowledging or refuting any of the content?

That is rich considering all the sources from the op have been attacked and neither ackowledged and been "refuted" with nothing but opinoin.

After al msm lies.

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Yes, during periods of war as all sides learned during WW2 the media will spew propaganda to either support the war effort or to demonize the enemy.

Ahmadeninejad makes one major point and that is the protection and statehood of Palestianians

the leader of IRAN said they love the american people and want to be friends with everyone

seems like our media has been lying to us

watch the interview with piers morgan

the only thing he is mad about is the zionist banking cabal and how they screwed palestinians.

Is it the Zionists who must tell the United States government what to do, such as form a red line on Iran’s nuclear issues, and the United States government must make such vital decisions under the influence of the Zionists?” Ahmadinejad said.

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Ahmadinejad is right about those Zionists.

I have proven in this thread here how Zionists planned for velvet revolution in Iran.regarding which path to persia ?

And you know that they have succeeded partially.

It was a strategy told by Saban , a Zionist who is working in brookings institute.

They have talked about their red line strategy in their recent plans. You can check it in page 15 of this pdf and this page

MR. POLLACK: Let me, if I may, move back to this narrower question of use of force. You didn’t rule it out, you put it at the very end of the spectrum, but you didn’t rule it out, and you’ve made clear your views on red lines, I think that that makes imminent good sense. Anyone who’s been in these kind of positions knows that what looks very clear at one moment in time can look very blurry at another point, but I would like you to kind of help an American audience understand a bit better how an Israeli leadership might think about when you’ve reached that last, last, last, last, last resort.

I just wanted to prove how Zionist are telling US govt what to do and that Ahmadinejad is right about this.

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I suppose that if Iran actually nukes Israel, it will be solely about the Zionists who rule Israel and not the innocent civlians.

Salam Saddam

you know better that Iraq had no WMD's and Iran has no nuke and you won't see Iran nuking anywhere.

rest in peace

Originally posted by miniatus

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
Maybe Israel should stop murdering Iranian scientists and provoking warfare.

Maybe Iran should stop enriching their own Uranium when their own allies have agreed to provide them the necessary fuel to operate their "peaceful" reactors, thus provoking warfare.

It goes both ways I'm afraid.. There's no necessity for Iran to have built centrifuges.. they knew what would come of this.. they chose that less peaceful path on their own..

edit on 9/25/2012 by miniatus because: (no reason given)

When you say "provide" you mean "sell", right?

And for a nation seeking independance in a world full of wars started to institute a reserve banking system, how does that help them meet the objective of "independance"? Can you be independent while you depend on someone else to provide you something?

Your statement shows an acceptance of the Mafia tactics that the West uses to subjugate the world. It is like a protection racket. Basically, "You buy our uranium, and we can guarantee you that we won't bomb you for making your own." We use the "protection racket" all the time. Read Smedley Butler.

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Ahmadinejad could care less about the Palestinians, unless they're Muslims.

This is all about kicking Israel and the U.S. out of the Middle East so that Islam can rule, and preferably from Jerusalem.

He's no different that Al Qaeda's al-Zawahri.

Here's what al-Zawahri has to say:

"Supporting jihad in Syria to establish a Muslim state is a basic step towards Jerusalem, and thus America is giving the secular Baathist regime one chance after another, for fear that a government is established in Syria that would threaten Israel," Zawahiri said, according to a translation provided by the SITE Monitoring Service.

security.blogs.cnn.com...


Here's what Ahmadinejad had to say on August 17th during Friday prayers:

August for participant of Tehran Friday Prayer , Ahmadinejad warned about two state solution for Arab -Israeli conflict and said that the future of Middle East is Islamic in which there will be no place for Israel and the United States

www.youtube.com...

This is what it is really all about, but the U.S. wants to play "politically correct" so not to offend the moderate Muslims, but in reality, Ahmadinejad is an extremist.