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Oooh I see, so bringing proof, and facts that Hitler was socialist is proof that Republicans are like NAZIS like the OP thinks?...
it won't make the Democrats either a Socialists or Nazis
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by campanionator
You are promoting the most bizarre argument I have ever heard in my life, frankly.
Ok, let's read why you believe so.
Originally posted by campanionator
My Grandmother, the person who raised me was German... She was so German her brothers name
was ADOLF, they had to leave Germany because they feared the retribution of the COMMUNISTS
once it was evident Berlin was going to fall. Sad to say that some of my ancestors were Nazis
and they were most certainly right wing, self determination, culture purity and tradition were
very big components to the ideology. Southern conservatism in America is very similar, less
the christianity and vocalizations about big government. Both factions fear/ed social progress
that could threaten traditions, like marriage and family life...
First of all in case you didn't know the south used to be all Democrats, so what you call "southern conservatism" happens to be the old views of Democrats, not Republicans...
The Republicans in reality, and in the old days were the ones to bring progress to this nation and it was the new and big cities such as New York...
Do not mistake progress with the "progressive movement". The Progressive movement is about bringing political change, as in leftwing politics.
Second of all, I presented evidence to substantiate what I stated... All you brought was that your grandmother was from Germany which doesn't really prove anything at all.
Originally posted by coldkidc
Not to get all up in your argument or anything & I'm sure you guys must have already stated & discussed something this obvious - but wasn't the term NAZI devised in reference to the National Socialists German Workers Party?
Someone that has never read a sentence from Marx/Engels, yet really thinks they are an expert on it.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by RealSpoke
Someone that has never read a sentence from Marx/Engels, yet really thinks they are an expert on it.
This is a strawman if I ever heard it. I can't believe my eyes when I see people posting this same argument. Read Alinsky much?
Originally posted by benrl
reply to post by sheepslayer247
I think that may be an example of the information Bias at play.
It gets kind of annoying when you see in the media and on here this thought that the Left has the monopoly on intelligence and free thinking open mindedness.
If it wasn't a violation of TOS, I could list all the members I have seen being just as stubborn as the right. Watch an Episode of Bill Maher if you want to see the same kind of rhetoric being spouted by the left.
Its not till you step back from both parties, and see it as the game it is (For christ sake theres team mascot's .) that you understand its all manipulation to keep the masses at bay.
If we all stopped drinking the MSM koolaid we would be marching on Washington DC with pitch forks and torches.
People need to stop banging the "my teams better" drum, there are no teams, its just Americans being abused by those in power.
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by benrl
I can agree to a certain extent and I'm sure that I will get flamed for this, but with all my dealings on this forum and in real life conversations, Democrats are much more receptive to opposing opinions and are more willing to change their opinion in the face of clear-cut evidence.
As this video attempts to point out, the hard-Right tends to be an "island" in which it is cut-off from the outside world and anything other than accepted dogma and rhetoric is not allowed to penetrate their inner sanctum.
So while I can agree somewhat, the Republicans are on a completely different level than the Democrats.
Both pander to the extremes of their own party
Actually, the Democrats pander to the Right. They have tossed their ideology to the side to appease people on the right.edit on 24-9-2012 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
Ms. Horus - you think feminists are communists
You think communism or communism-lite is in everything, everywhere - all of the time
Please - we could use some of your factiness now - where is communism not?
:-)
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Spiramirabilis
it won't make the Democrats either a Socialists or Nazis
There were around 70 members of Congress who were also members of the Democratic Socialists of America. Maxine Watters and Bernie Sanders are two such people. Bernie is clearly socialist, and Maxine too, in that she let the cat out of the bag on wanting to "sociaaa aaaa uhhh basically taking over all your companies" as she said to the oil execs in Congressional hearings. I don't know how much more factiness you need, but I am sure that Electric and I both can come up with lots. I think you just don't want to hear it for some reason.
And if you want to talk about obama, then there is this
and this...children singing to dear leader
edit on 25-9-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)
Read Alinsky much?
Adam Brandon, a spokesman for the conservative non-profit organization FreedomWorks, which is one of several groups involved in organizing Tea Party protests, says the group gives Alinsky's Rules for Radicals to its top leadership members. A shortened guide called Rules for Patriots is distributed to its entire network. In a January 2012 story that appeared in The Wall Street Journal, citing the organization's tactic of sending activists to town-hall meetings, Brandon explained, "his tactics when it comes to grass-roots organizing are incredibly effective." Former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey also gives copies of Alinsky's book Rules for Radicals to Tea Party leaders.[23]
Originally posted by coldkidc
reply to post by campanionator
Oh - So is the argument over whether or not Communism & Fascism are the same?
They are definitely not the same - 2 different systems...they may share some small amount of overlap on certain things but 2 completely different ideologies
I thought the discussion was about whether or not NAZI's were socialist...I just thought the name was relevant considering "socialists" is in the name...edit on 25-9-2012 by coldkidc because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
Ms. Horus - you think feminists are communists
You think communism or communism-lite is in everything, everywhere - all of the time
Please - we could use some of your factiness now - where is communism not?
:-)