The Right Wing Echo Chamber

Originally posted by sheepslayer247

Merriam-Webster dictionary is leftist?

Where in the heck did I say Merriam-webster is a leftist source?...

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
Auchwitz was owned by the IG Farbing corporation.....look it up.

edit on 25-9-2012 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)

wow... I really don't know what to tell you... Obviously you don't know that Auchwitz was built and ran by The Third Reich...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Where in the heck did I say Merriam-webster is a leftist source?..

Your quote.

"No matter how many LEFTWING sources you put forth claiming Hitler wasn't socialist"

wow... I really don't know what to tell you... Obviously you don't know that Auchwitz was built and ran by The Third Reich...

It will take some research to find that information, but it's there and you can find it.

Regardless, I believe that I have been able to thoroughly debunk the notion that Hitler was a socialist. Now do you wish to comment on a topic covered in the OP, or are you hell-bent on trying to call Nazi's socialists when you have proven that you do not even know the definition of the word?

Originally posted by sheepslayer247

Your quote.

"No matter how many LEFTWING sources you put forth claiming Hitler wasn't socialist"

Care to show me where in that link of Merriam-Webster you and I provided it says Hitler wasn't socialist?...

Originally posted by sheepslayer247

It will take some research to find that information, but it's there and you can find it.

You don't have to look too far, even wikipedia disagrees with you on this...

Auschwitz concentration camp (German: Konzentrationslager Auschwitz [ˈaʊʃvɪts] ( listen)) was a network of concentration and extermination camps built and operated by the Third Reich in Polish areas annexed by Nazi Germany during World War II.

en.wikipedia.org...

BTW, I am using wikipedia not because I like it, or think it is a great source, but rather because you seem to like it.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
Regardless, I believe that I have been able to thoroughly debunk the notion that Hitler was a socialist. Now do you wish to comment on a topic covered in the OP, or are you hell-bent on trying to call Nazi's socialists when you have proven that you do not even know the definition of the word?

Well first, you claimed on that quote given by another member that NAZI propaganda is being used by Republicans, so YOU opened that can of worms when then you made this thread again trying to bash at the Republican party only, and then claiming to be one when it is obvious you are not.

Second, you didn't debunk anything, all you are doing is "denying, denying, and denying" without actually presenting any real proof of why HItler was not a socialist when in fact he was...

BTW, just because a few leftwingers flag your thread, it doesn't make you right. Just saying

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


You are promoting the most bizarre argument I have ever heard in my life, frankly.

My Grandmother, the person who raised me was German... She was so German her brothers name
was ADOLF, they had to leave Germany because they feared the retribution of the COMMUNISTS
once it was evident Berlin was going to fall. Sad to say that some of my ancestors were Nazis
and they were most certainly right wing, self determination, culture purity and tradition were
very big components to the ideology. Southern conservatism in America is very similar, less
the christianity and vocalizations about big government. Both factions fear/ed social progress
that could threaten traditions, like marriage and family life...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Well, while I did say the Reps use Nazi propaganda, I never called Hitler a socialist. That was your doing.

So I will politely end this conversation before it ends up in deleted posts and hurt feelings.

Good day to you.

Originally posted by campanionator

You are promoting the most bizarre argument I have ever heard in my life, frankly.

Ok, let's read why you believe so.

Originally posted by campanionator
My Grandmother, the person who raised me was German... She was so German her brothers name
was ADOLF, they had to leave Germany because they feared the retribution of the COMMUNISTS
once it was evident Berlin was going to fall. Sad to say that some of my ancestors were Nazis
and they were most certainly right wing, self determination, culture purity and tradition were
very big components to the ideology. Southern conservatism in America is very similar, less
the christianity and vocalizations about big government. Both factions fear/ed social progress
that could threaten traditions, like marriage and family life...

First of all in case you didn't know the south used to be all Democrats, so what you call "southern conservatism" happens to be the old views of Democrats, not Republicans...

The Republicans in reality, and in the old days were the ones to bring progress to this nation and it was the new and big cities such as New York...

Do not mistake progress with the "progressive movement". The Progressive movement is about bringing political change, as in leftwing politics.

Second of all, I presented evidence to substantiate what I stated... All you brought was that your grandmother was from Germany which doesn't really prove anything at all.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Second of all, I presented evidence to substantiate what I stated... All you brought was that your grandmother was from Germany which doesn't really prove anything at all.

What you've done - ElectricUniverse - is make the OP's point for him

You are a first rate example of what this thread is all about

Thanks - we didn't even have to go off-site for material - you brought it in and dropped it at our feet

:-)

reply to post by sheepslayer247

Regardless, I believe that I have been able to thoroughly debunk the notion that Hitler was a socialist

Maybe in your universe you did. Hitler and Mussolini were both part of the spread of socialism. Socialists classically hated communists, but that is like saying one mafia boss hated another.

Also Auchwitz is Auschwitz and Ig Farbing is IG Farben. IG Farben was a German based chemical company, but what is your point? George Soros is a big financier manipulating the market, and has donated money to Media Matters, MoveOn.org, and many many other leftist organizations. Bill Gates is funding vaccinations for population control. Prescott Bush funded the Nazis. Soros funded obama. The Rockefellers funded the Bolsheviks. Ted Turner is filthy rich and believes in depopulating humans because they are parasites. Warren Buffet is for the biggest socialist Marxist President in American history. The Rothschilds helped build the State of Israel. Obama has the biggest group of banking supporters and Goldman Sachs employees in his administration. Did I mention that the Rothschilds and Rockefellers are now on record as combining their fortunes for the sake of the NWO empire and that Soros is part of the Rothschilds Illuminati bloodline?

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Communism IS a socialist movement! /facepalm

I would post links but apparently it will not matter.

reply to post by Spiramirabilis


Oooh I see, so bringing proof, and facts that Hitler was socialist is proof that Republicans are like NAZIS like the OP thinks?...

Good joke, at least you can try your luck being a comedian, because as a debater you wouldn't win a loaf of bread in a thousand years.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247

Communism IS a socialist movement! /facepalm

I would post links but apparently it will not matter.

WOW...so you don't know that you need socialism in order for communism to exist?... You don't know this either?... No wonder you are so confused about Hitler and the fact that he was a socialist... You don't know jack about socialism...

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by sheepslayer247

Communism IS a socialist movement! /facepalm

I would post links but apparently it will not matter.

WOW...so you don't know that you need socialism in order for communism to exist?... You don't know this either?... No wonder you are so confused about Hitler and the fact that he was a socialist... You don't know jack about socialism...

Really? No, really?

I said that COMMUNISM IS A SOCIALIST MOVEMENT....and you say

WOW...so you don't know that you need socialism in order for communism to exist?

If I really need to explain this to you.....

reply to post by sheepslayer247


It is no use arguing with these two, they see Leftist agenda on cereal boxes. Paranoid delusion abounds in their posts and there is absolutely no reasoning or debating. It matters not what Hitler/Mussolini called themselves... they used Socialist tools to lure in the masses and then turned on Unions, Communists etc... they turned on Socialism and ushered in Fascism, they both ruled as Fascists (ultra right wing) we know it, the world knows it.

This is an actual article from Harper's 1941. Read it and you be the judge.

Who Goes Nazi?

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


You're ignorant. You're harping on about things that you have no understanding of. Someone that has never read a sentence from Marx/Engels, yet really thinks they are an expert on it.

Socialism is a society where the workers own the means and instruments of production. The government IS the workers, not a separate entity.

Socialism means a classless society. Unlike under capitalism, where a tiny minority owns the vast majority of wealth and the means of producing it, everyone would share equally in the ownership of all the means of production, and everyone able to do so would work. There wouldn't be separate classes of owners and workers. The economy would be administered by the workers themselves through industrially based, democratic "associations of free and equal producers," as Marx described it.

The workers collectively would decide what they want produced and how they want it produced. They would control their own workplaces and make the decisions governing their particular industry. With the abolition of the capitalist expropriation of the lion's share of workers' product, all workers would receive, directly or indirectly, the full value of the products they create, minus only the deductions needed to maintain and improve society's facilities of production and distribution.

Far from being a state-controlled society, socialism would be a society WITHOUT A STATE. Marx once said that "the existence of the state is inseparable from the existence of slavery." Consonant with this truth, socialism would have a GOVERNMENT, but not a separate, coercive body standing above society itself -- a state. The people themselves, through the democratic associations of workers, would BE the government.

www.deleonism.org...

reply to post by sheepslayer247

I dont think it's fair to make sweeping judgments about conservatives in general, based on U.S. republicans.
There are conservative people elsewhere on this planet, who value pragmatism and facts very much, and who are absolutely willing to change their opinions when confronted with evidence.

Take the social state issue for example.
I know this is a very controversial issue for U.S. republicans.
Conservatives here though, know that a social state system is macroeconomically much more favourable than dealing with a growing shadow economy (clandestine employment), diminishing purchasing power, higher crime rates and the resulting incarceration.
That's motivated by pragmatism. Sheer numbers.
No conservative here would even think about changing our social state principle, because it works.

Maybe there is a problem with partisan ignorance in the U.S., but it's definitely not ALL conservatives.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Communism IS a socialist movement! /facepalm

.

Yes, I am aware of that. I've said it in many posts which you can look up if you want to. That is why I said that communists and socialists hating each other are like mafia bosses from different turfs murdering each other. How exactly does that make Hitler not socialist though? He just didn't care that much for Karl Marx is all, not a big deal. But the fact that the Rockefellers funded the Bolshevik Revolution should prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that Big Business corporate donations to Hitler do not make him any different than any communist revolutionary. Since you and others want to make corporations the deciding factor in calling someone socialist, I thought it only prudent to show you how the big corporations and the uber-wealthy elite have funded all the big socialist and communist revolutionary movements. So you can claim that Obama is not really a socialist/communists and that he is more like Bush because he is continuing the wars and didn't close Gitmo in the first 3 months of his tenure. Yu can claim he is not really socialist because he made a lot of money off of the BP Oil spill or that he made money off his books which were actually ghost written by another big communist. But then you would have to say that the Bolsheviks were not really communist because they were supported by the big banks and the Rockefellers. INdeed some people here have even tried to say that Stalin was really a fascist. This is patently one of the more foolish things I've heard, even as foolish as claiming that Obama is more centrist.

See my point?

Also, I've seen people here mentioning that the big Pharma insurance companies wrote the Obamacare bill and support Obamacare because they can make money from more people buying into their insurance. Does this make Obamacare less of a socialist scheme? Untill we all recognize that this is the real meaning of Hegelian dialectic, we will not understand the relationship between business and communism/socialism/fascism.

reply to post by ColCurious

Maybe there is a problem with partisan ignorance in the U.S., but it's definitely not ALL conservatives.

Exactly!

There is a strong conservative movement in the US and abroad, but the Republican party, while it claims to be conservative, does not exemplify the values we consider cornerstones of conservatism.

Social responsibility is a vital part of any government and conservatism as well. It's a moral issue and an economic one. It goes hand in hand.

Good post!

People that believe the extreme right-wing propaganda like what is on Fox News, right-wing radio, etc., are simply mentally retarded. There is nothing you can do to get through to them. Reason won't work, facts won't work, nothing will. Because they simply lack the mental capacity to even grasp the simplest of concepts.

The propaganda isn't for intelligent people, it's simply for the retards that make up most of the country, especially in the red states, particularly in the southern US.

reply to post by Kali74

Paranoid delusion abounds in their posts and there is absolutely no reasoning or debating

ok if you say so. You're the boss. I just told Sheeps that he was correct in that socialism and communism are both part of the same system, and that would be LEFTIST. Where people like you and Sheeps go wrong is in trying to insist that Hitler was not part of this system. And why? Is it the corporate involvement? Well then let's talk about the Rockefellers and Bolshevism.

You can't win the debate because you are denying what's in front of your face.

If you think that the use of the Police State is what delineates a difference between fascism and communism, you would still be wrong. Are you not aware of the Police state activity of Russians throwing people in gulags and using them for slave labor? But wait isn't that big business? Oh now you will say that Lenin was communist but Stalin was a fascist right? While Stalin used slave labor to build the Soviet Empire, there was nothing free market about it. Stalin forced people into labor camps. He sent people to the coldest places to starve and freeze, Siberia to be exact. Also Stalin enforced collectivist farming. I see people on this very forum lamenting that we don't have these Utopian colllectives.
Stalin was every bit as communist as Lenin.
You know general Patton denounced Soviet communism and thus he was sent to another post to get him out of the way so that TPTB in control could allow the Soviets to take over large areas of Europe. Who was in control? Eisenhower.
Do you think warmongering is what makes someone "right wing fascist" Well ok then, let's talk about FDR getting us into WWII, and Wilson got us into WWI. Wilson is also responsible for the Sedition Act, which is how our true freedom of speech and the reason for it(dissent against tyrannical govt) became abridged. Both Democrats. Both left wing.
So if you want to argue, at least have real knowledge as a backup.