French Mag to Publish Cartoons of Prophet Mohammed on Sept. 19th.

reply to post by PrestonSpace


First of all, I personally believe religious feelings should be shown some respect - christian, jews, muslims, ect.

But, this could be an orchestrated game, France has BIG financial problems, and a huge Muslim and welfare problem. Remember all the muslim riots a few years ago? Maybe they want them to riot so they can round them up?

There's a thread on ATS about Britain giving money to an organization to round up illegal muslims that have overstayed their VISA's.

Maybe the EU is going to purge themselves of the muslims?

reply to post by MisterFister103


www.abovetopsecret.com... well if they end up buring the flags again hope they saw this story if not might not be as much rage left alive after the fires start and really get going

Vive la France!

"Je déteste ce que vous écrivez, mais je donnerai ma vie pour que vous puissiez continuer à écrire." (I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write.) ~attributed to Voltaire

Well the extremists may take offense, and even kill and destroy when confronted with this ......
But it is nessessary that they too understand what is required of them if they plan to integrate their way of life to the twenty first century.and thus join the community of nations.......
Their behavior stinks at this point.
The ONLY answer to this situation is for EVERY media outlet, newspaper or magazine , TV station or network, is to play some of the same type of sarcastic stuff.....
Mix in some anti christian, anti cowboy, anti everything, but predominate with the sarcastic treatment of Islam.....
Maybe theyll get the message that the whole world is laughing at their silly antics and the world is getting pissed off at the carnage they are causing over nothing.
Blitz them with mohammad cartoons from every angle!

Originally posted by SGTSECRET

Originally posted by AJ1123TKE
I seriously don't understand what joy a publication get's out of publishing stuff like this especially with the current ME situation over the film.

Like are they TRYING to insight outrage and riots and people getting killed?

didn't the media learn its lesson after South Park made fun of Mohammed and someone nearly bombed Comedy Central HQ in times square with a failed truck bomb?

That said, the conspiracy theorist inside of me says this all smells AWFULLY fished and orchestrated to me... and wouldn't be surprised if this was part of a larger scale "planned" event.

Nothing should be 'off limits' to talk about, draw about, or think about. This is one of the many problems I have with religion. The entire 'my prophet and beliefs are more right than yours' has caused so much death and suffering in the world it's ridiculous.

So it causes outrage and and riots, that is no fault of the person/group who is sharing an idea. Whether it is supposed to be comedic or serious, bottom line is 'so what.'

You mention the South Park situation and all I can do is roll my eyes, not really at you, but about how it all played out. What do you mean people can't animate/draw/mention a certain prophet, no matter which one it is?

It's mind baffling to me that anyone would have these beliefs. So this prophet, in his almighty wisdom and greatness at one point said 'DON'T MAKE CARTOONS OR ANYTHING ABOUT ME OR ELSE," right...seems legit.

You know, you're right on all counts, but these Muslim extremists take it seriously, and if one of your family members died because of their bitch fit, you'd be singing a different tune about freedom of speech. People can say all they want that they'd die for freedom of speech, but I would not be willing to sacrifice my loved ones over someone's right to draw a picture of some prophet.

reply to post by benrl


The USA's free speech laws are pretty liberal. The US Supreme Court upheld the Westboro Baptist Church's right to go to the funerals of dead soldiers and tell the mourners the soldiers died because god hates homosexuals and wants to kill US soldiers because the US is supposedly to pro-gay.

Originally posted by MisterFister103
I would not be willing to sacrifice my loved ones over someone's right to draw a picture of some prophet.

It's really not just about someone's right to draw a picture of some prophet. Do you realize how many people have died to give us the right to draw a picture of some prophet?

And further more these extremists have proven that if they weren't rioting and be violent over this, they would find another reason to be violent. Sure we could all bow down and kiss their collective derrieres on this issue but I can guarantee you that will not stop the violence and will only leave a nasty aftertaste.

ZOOT ALORES!!

Dumb. Still the french need to subsidise their manufacturing industry somehow.

Boy, there is gonna be a load of cars burning in the streets after this one!

Originally posted by Miri08

Originally posted by MisterFister103
I would not be willing to sacrifice my loved ones over someone's right to draw a picture of some prophet.

It's really not just about someone's right to draw a picture of some prophet. Do you realize how many people have died to give us the right to draw a picture of some prophet?

And further more these extremists have proven that if they weren't rioting and be violent over this, they would find another reason to be violent. Sure we could all bow down and kiss their collective derrieres on this issue but I can guarantee you that will not stop the violence and will only leave a nasty aftertaste.

edit on 18-9-2012 by Miri08 because: appalling grammar

Good point. These animals are just looking for whatever reason they can find to kill people, I just don't like the idea of testing them further. Our best bet would be to completely cut off the middle east from the rest of the civilized world. They won't be able to get weapons, they won't be able to access civilization in any way. I don't care about the moderates anymore. The fact that they follow this very religion shows they are not moderate. Cut them all off and let them live in the desert praying to a mythical man in the sky.

Yay !! I can't wait for this publication to come out and go viral so I can see it.

The Muslims have some strange ideas on humor as evidenced by this thread www.abovetopsecret.com...

They appear however to have a double standard and allow themselves to use hate towards others in their jokes.

Originally posted by SGTSECRET

Originally posted by AJ1123TKE
I seriously don't understand what joy a publication get's out of publishing stuff like this especially with the current ME situation over the film.

Like are they TRYING to insight outrage and riots and people getting killed?

didn't the media learn its lesson after South Park made fun of Mohammed and someone nearly bombed Comedy Central HQ in times square with a failed truck bomb?

That said, the conspiracy theorist inside of me says this all smells AWFULLY fished and orchestrated to me... and wouldn't be surprised if this was part of a larger scale "planned" event.

Nothing should be 'off limits' to talk about, draw about, or think about. This is one of the many problems I have with religion. The entire 'my prophet and beliefs are more right than yours' has caused so much death and suffering in the world it's ridiculous.

So it causes outrage and and riots, that is no fault of the person/group who is sharing an idea. Whether it is supposed to be comedic or serious, bottom line is 'so what.'

You mention the South Park situation and all I can do is roll my eyes, not really at you, but about how it all played out. What do you mean people can't animate/draw/mention a certain prophet, no matter which one it is?

It's mind baffling to me that anyone would have these beliefs. So this prophet, in his almighty wisdom and greatness at one point said 'DON'T MAKE CARTOONS OR ANYTHING ABOUT ME OR ELSE," right...seems legit.

I understand what you're arguing, and i certainly don't disagree with you. But why is it MORALLY ok for anyone have the ill-heartedness to prove their "i have free speech and you don't" point when the target of the jab will almost certainly displace their aggression in the form of innocent people dying?

Again I agree with you, about the religious extremists taking it too far and are entirely too on edge and defensive in their beliefs (yes, they need to learn how to take a joke), but that doesn't OK blatant instigation in very very uncertain times.

Let's not forget what HAS happened as a result of similar instances (and these are just a few relevant incidents)...

2004: The silencing of Theo van Gogh

The Dutch filmmaker believed that insulting people was his right as a free citizen. The Muslim fanatic who slaughtered him didn't agree.

2005: Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy

Muslims protested across the Islamic world, some of which escalated into violence with instances of police firing on crowds of protestors resulting in a total of more than 100 reported deaths including the bombing of the Danish embassy in Pakistan and setting fire to the Danish Embassies in Syria, Lebanon and Iran, storming European buildings, and burning the Danish, Dutch, Norwegian, French and German flags in Gaza City

..and the aforementioned ...

2010: Times Square car bomb: police investigate South Park link

Last month postings on an Islamic website warned the creators of South Park - Matt Stone and Trey Parker - that they could face violent reprisals after an episode of the show featured Mohammed in a bear suit. A posting on the website of a US-based group called Revolution Muslim warned Stone and Parker that they would “probably wind up like Theo Van Gogh”, the Dutch film-maker who was murdered in 2004 by a Muslim angered by his film about Muslim women

...or this little film last week (no citation required for that one, obviously)

I'm not questioning free speech. Hell, i think the South Park episode was hilarious, and i think the film is nothing anyone should get worked up over. But the fact is, people DO get VERY worked up over this stuff, and to throw gas on that fire is in my opinion, morally eff'd up.

Mark my word, this cartoon release will end up leaving people DEAD.

Originally posted by AJ1123TKE
I seriously don't understand what joy a publication get's out of publishing stuff like this especially with the current ME situation over the film.

Like are they TRYING to insight outrage and riots and people getting killed?

Nothing spoken or printed, possibly short of a direct threat, should EVER provoke anyone to riot or kill. Anyone who lets themselves be provoked that way might as well just count themselves out of civilization.

No tolerance and No respect for that behavior, and the constant danger that it presents. I'm not interested in their reasons at all.

I don't pretend to know what the French really have in mind, but let me toss my NOT so humble opinion in to the mix.

I say tweak their fragile egos at every opportunity. Sometimes it takes a bit of hyperbole to bring home the point that needs to be given the light of day. If we get these animals to show their unwashed savage sides more often we may just save many more lives down the road by making even the most die hard liberal apologists recognize that something MUST be done by the world community to cram this particular evil genie back into it's medieval bottle before it really is too late.

If you don't like the west, and what's included in living in the west like freedom of speech, then maybe you should go back to where you came from. If you're a Muslim born within the west, maybe it's a good idea to consider moving somewhere that tolerates your intolerance and hatred of all things Western.

Sorry if that seems crude, but Jews, Christians, Buddhists etc. etc. etc. have been "made fun of" since forever. Just because you rally and threaten terrorist actions doesn't mean we're going to change. It's not our job to change who we are to make you feel good.

I'm off to take my son to school and will stop to see if this is true.

Frankly, I doubt it. The french authorities are usually very very afraid of rousing the Muslims (or even looking slightly racist) and do whatever they can to avoid confronting them, all the way to letting them literally get away with murder.

They also do not have our American tendancy to ignore and push aside emotions as irrelevant- they believe that being sensitive about others feelings is essential- there ARE laws against hate speech, and they ARE enforced. (except against Muslims of course- they can express as much hate as they want, they're scary).

On the other hand-
The french also have a little latin love of rebellion and provocation,
and that magazine in particular is known for that.
It is still held that art is only such when the artist challenges the current status quo and accepted limits, stretching the collective mind.
It might be a gesture of revolt against the current trend of letting the french be walked on by the Muslim immigrants!

If it happens, you will definately see an uprising here, and it will not be only the Muslims- all the left wing will be out in the streets, and our Penishead president will be speaking out against it.

Originally posted by LeSigh
Vive la France!

"Je déteste ce que vous écrivez, mais je donnerai ma vie pour que vous puissiez continuer à écrire." (I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write.) ~attributed to Voltaire

This quote about sacrificing life over free speech is getting worn out these days.
The particular French Mag vil publish the cartoons for other purposes than to practice free speech (it's a great commercial for them).

As for the free speech in France, Voltaire has been turning in his grave for a long time now. It is against the law to question Holocaust in France

In 1996 Garaudy published his most controversial work, Les Mythes fondateurs de la politique israelienne, later translated into English as The Founding Myths of Modern Israel. Because the book contained Holocaust denial, French courts banned any further publication and on 27 February 1998 fined him 240,000 French francs. He was sentenced to a suspended jail sentence of several years.
en.wikipedia.org...

Faurisson was fined by a French court in 1983, for having declared that "Hitler never ordered nor permitted that anyone be killed by reason of his race or religion."[1][6][7]

Faurisson was charged again in a trial on 11 July 2006. He was accused of denying the Holocaust in an interview with the Iranian television station "Sahar 1" in February 2005. On 3 October 2006, he was given a three-month probationary sentence and fined €7,500 for this offence.
en.wikipedia.org...

Long live French freedom of speech or whatever,

Originally posted by Abbby
reply to post by benrl

 

Bull. Just because I CAN say something, doesn't mean I SHOULD.

So someone on the other side of the planet has just told you that you CANNOT say it.

How do you feel now? The same?

Hopefully not. Or you never had any right to say anything...

Originally posted by Abbby
reply to post by benrl

 

According to us courts.gov, "freedom of speech does not include:
-to incite actions that would harm others,
-to make or distribute obscene materials"

No one is directly harmed by a cartoon. Far out.

A cartoon depicting an historical figure is not, by default, obscene.

Keep trying, you're well on your way to appeasing your new masters.

Man.. imagine 200 years from now. We've colonised Mars. The religious people decide to stay on Earth as it was given to them by god.

Someone on Mars makes a cartoon.

They'll send rockets from Earth to Mars in protest.

What people need to realise is that it's all an excuse. The fuel may appear to be lit by a match, but it's still perfectly capable of burning on it's own given the flammable nature of the stuff.

How about if every newspaper and magazine did it every day for a few months.... then perhaps Muslims would learn to not worry about what others think but just concentrate on bettering their own lives.... like not beating and killing women, allowing children and women to get decent educations, learning about math and science in schools instead of just how to recite the Koran..... raising a larger portion of them out of their barbarian and backward existence, and get them used to ignoring what really doesn't harm them personally. Look at all the cartoons or jokes about Jews or Catholics or so many other segments of society based or race or religion or accent or appearance..... how many of them are frequented in Muslim media? Constantly!!!!! I'd say its the Pot calling the Kettle Black, by any measure of the portrayal of others in the Muslim world! And while sticks and stones do break bones, and hurt others, names, words and cartoons should never hurt them. Learn to take a joke!