You Can’t Handle the 9/11 Truth

Originally posted by AfterInfinity

We kicked Japan's __ , we kicked Hitler's __ , we kicked Great Britain's __ in the Revolutionary War, and you're saying a bunch of Iraqis managed to slip past our defenses?

We already got hit by Japanese bomber planes. The black eye from that really got our attention. Do you really think we'd make that same mistake twice? That we'd fall for that trick a second time? We have enough firepower to pass "God" in line and deliver Armageddon ourselves without breaking a sweat. We don't even have to wait until 12/21 to end the world, literally. But we were helpless to stop this?

I find that very difficult to believe. If we managed to tighten security this much after 9/11, surely we would have done it after Pearl Harbor...and kept it that way. We make so many enemies, it's foolhardy to consider doing otherwise. From that viewpoint, 9/11 should NEVER have happened. And I'm not the only one who looks at it that way, I think.

edit on 13-9-2012 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)

Why don't you apply some logic before replying, so you are saying a sneak attack by Japan on Pearl Harbour is the same as 9/11 so can you tell me how many planes and flyers Japan had based on Hawaii to do the attack.
Up to 9/11 aircraft high jackings were usually followed by demands to be taken to another country, get fellow terrorists/prisoners released or demands for money or any combination of those.

So what about this? in Oklahoma



Or how about this one in Texas, no one likes taxes but would you do this?



USA has the same problems as any country when it comes to internal attacks,just look how many have happened ALL over the world in the years following 9/11.

Part of the problem is to many conspiracy believers think films like Enemy of the State and TV shows like CSI are documentaries.

It's seems that in real yes REAL life it's a lot harder

OH by the way brush up on your history it wasn't JUST the USA in world war II.

reply to post by Laokin


Have you seen this quote on page 2 of this thread.

Originally posted by BAZ752
Only 1700 of us...still? Interesting that such a minute proportion of the industry subscribes to these theories. I'm part of an IStructE dominated organisation and none of whom agree fully with the AE911 movement.

He is a structural engineer!!

So how about this comment re Architects

Originally posted by BAZ752

Hmm, well, true, but it's not strictly a case of Architect's avoiding it so much as Architects are not legally qualified to prepare structural calculations at an institutional level. Legitimate Structural Engineering Consultancies, especially those involve in designing habitable structures are bound by practices under the regulatory bodies of their respective institutions (IStructE as it is here in the UK). Architect's have a good understanding of the design principles and even from a structural analysis view point, but their remit 99/100 times is far removed from these elements. You'll never hear an architect getting involved with sub-structure or super-structure design unless the conceptual design cannot be achieved through feasible solutions, or such designs require the assumptions being made through the Architect's consult. Ultimately, if their design can be achieved structurally without alterations to their concept, they pretty much have zero involvement (unless you tell we need a deep slender section across that opening, it's going to ruin your light array!)

MY background 30+ years in construction worked in the design/drawing office of a STRUCTURAL STEELWORK company when I first left school, have worked in a technical capacity for many many years.

I am on site on a regular basis be it down a tunnel, under a bridge deck or on a hoist 20,30,40+ stories up.

I have tested structural components and fixings etc sometimes to destruction and talk to architects and engineers on a regular basis giving them recommendations to solve problems they have!

Since 9/11 I have not spoken to ONE who thinks like Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth

So lets look at what you said

Originally posted by Laokin

Originally posted by wmd_2008
reply to post by Shamatt

 

1700 Architects and Engineers in 11 years so how many HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS world wide have yet to sign up!!!!

OR is that FACT just ignored works both ways you know!!!!

This is the most retarded post I've ever personally seen in any 9/11 thread.

There are many, many, many, many that don't wish to associate with the truth because the vast majority doesn't wish to hear it, that they are afraid to sully their name.

There are many, many, many, that aren't even really good enough to honestly hold qualification. There are also, many, many, many, many that did not even bother to investigate.

What interaction DO you have with any architects or more importantly STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS , using conspiracy cliches is not an argument or proof seen any surveys to back up your NONSENSE.

So if you claim many are not good enough do you prepare their exams have you any IDEA what theses guys have to do to get their qualifications? I don't think so!!!

Come back with some FACTS not cliches for example someone on this thread said office fires don't get hot enough I posted back FACTS that it can.

Come back in say what 30+ years when you have done something ACTUALLY connected with construction!!!!

reply to post by thedman

References concerning damage to WTC 7 - knock yourself out........ sites.google.com...

Left out of the NIST report for GOOD REASON!!! UNTRUE!!! There was no 20 STORY HOLE IN THE BUILDING!!!

Fires in WTC 7 sites.google.com...

Also left out of the NIST Report for GOOD REASON!!! Hyperbole, easily demonstrated as FALSE!!!

You would be MUCH better off sticking to the NIST Report...at least they knew when they wrote that they could not include those overblown statements from some witnesses. The video coverage CLEARLY shows no such thing as fires on all floors.

reply to post by wmd_2008


So you and others are going to keep arguing from an authoritarian point of view "do as I say because I am the government" without even providing proof of your qualifications? Any idiot can join some random conspiracy site and claim they are god.

The fact that 1700 architects and engineers claim there are many holes in the official story should tell you they are correct and those that have faith in the criminal government are wrong. Think about it; 1700 ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS claiming the government IS WRONG! Do you want me to say IT AGAIN?

Stop with the condescending remarks. No one likes the right wing government of america anyway and I don't care if it bush or obama or romney. They are puppets of the rockefellers and rothschilds. Get it?

Originally posted by wmd_2008
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Look at the DIAGRAM on the video, look at the picture, do you want a link for the steelwork drawings just in case you haven't seen them

What he shows/ claims is not there it's that simple.

Want to explain how these guys got out of a lift stuck BETWEEN floors of your concrete shaft!!!!!!

Eventually, someone got through the wall. We now had a hole about the diameter of a finger and fresh air was coming through. The elevator shaft wall turned out to be 3 inches thick. It consisted of 3 ply of one inch sheetrock held together by the steel frame I mentioned.

Well what do you know it WASN'T

edit on 14-9-2012 by wmd_2008 because: (no reason given)

Oh my god! So you are DESPERATELY trying to find holes TO PROVE the government's version OF BS!

You can't even comprehend explosives brought the building straight down and that ONLY EXPLOSIVES can do that!

Yeah, I know I saw some planes hitting the twin towers TOO. Fox News said they were cargo planes. John Lear says the planes were state-of-the art holograms. A university professor in barcelona says they were modified boeing 767s with rc pods.

What difference does it make in the end? NONE! Explosives were used and alqueda WAS FRAMED! You know like the cops planting marijuana in someones car so that they use that as leverage for the victim coperating with the police.

Originally posted by totallackey
Please post some sort of reference of WTC 7 having suffered damage from the collapse of WTC 1 that impacted 20 floors, causing a 20 story hole...Thank you.

On this page, the second picture from the top.
If that is, indeed, building 7, I would say it had a 20 story hole in it.
The page says it's a NIST photo, for whatever that's worth.

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There's no way that damage would cause a free fall collapse starting first with the interior columns. haha.

Even if the whole building was in a raging fire it still wouldn't cause collapse of the building -- as the fire in Spain demonstrated.

I'm sure the fire fighters -- something strange was going on after so many were killed from the collapse of towers 1 and 2 - and first responders have been put through hell since. There is a cover up somewhere in the hierarchy -- fire fighters also heard explosions just like detonations to "pull" a building for the first two towers and similarly for 7.

reply to post by subject x


So how does a hole in one corner make for a symmetrical collapse?

Fire? No - they move through the building eating up fuel (paper, furniture etc) so burn very unevenly. So you have uneven damage, uneven fires, symmetrical collapse? Hmmmmm.

Originally posted by Shamatt
reply to post by subject x

 

So how does a hole in one corner make for a symmetrical collapse?

Fire? No - they move through the building eating up fuel (paper, furniture etc) so burn very unevenly. So you have uneven damage, uneven fires, symmetrical collapse? Hmmmmm.

I guess by your repeated use of the word "symmetrical" it's now a fact that the collapse was "symmetrical"? Didn't look very symmetrical to me, in fact it was pretty caotic. If by "symmetrical" you mean "down", then yes the building did collapse down. Gravity.

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Originally posted by hooper

Originally posted by Shamatt
reply to post by subject x

 

So how does a hole in one corner make for a symmetrical collapse?

Fire? No - they move through the building eating up fuel (paper, furniture etc) so burn very unevenly. So you have uneven damage, uneven fires, symmetrical collapse? Hmmmmm.

I guess by your repeated use of the word "symmetrical" it's now a fact that the collapse was "symmetrical"? Didn't look very symmetrical to me, in fact it was pretty caotic. If by "symmetrical" you mean "down", then yes the building did collapse down. Gravity.

Are you serious!!!!????? You must have watched a different video to me. It went straight down. The penthouse fell in, then the whole building fell with each floor almost exactly horizontal. Into it's own foot print. No sideways movement, no twisting, just down. Just like every other controlled demolition I have ever seen.

Watch this video from the 3 minute mark.

Why did none of the vehicles on the brige the plane flew over get blown away like this? If it was low enough to it the light poles (Which apparently didn't damage the wings, somehow?) Why were the cars we see in the pictures not tossed about like this car?

reply to post by wmd_2008


So basically, you trust the government. Well, we don't. We've seen how the government treats the people who aren't useful, we've seen how it uses the people who are useful. We've seen how the government utilizes other countries for its own gain, and can't leave well enough alone when there's a jackpot to be had...at whatever cost.

I don't know what the government did to fool you so completely, but it definitely worked. All I know is that 9/11 did NOT happen exactly as we were told, and we're here to deduce the lies in an effort to narrow down the truth. And even if we can't figure out what really happened, we can at least figure out what DIDN'T happen.

Politics is a game of thrones...and we're expendable. Our best asset is our collective brain, and we intend to use it.

reply to post by Shamatt


It is mind boggling that 1700 architects&engineers claim there are serious holes in the story and the media either ignores or ridicules them. I put much more blame on the media than the government because the media is supposed to be the fourth estate.

The judicial system does not give a damm either. Actually they do give a damm, but in a negative way!

So the judicial system is evil, the media is evil and low and behold the government is evil.

Even ATS has been infiltrated to the point where YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT to the wishes of the trolls!

After all this damage and so much more that will likely follow, because once people get sold the idea "islamic terrorists did it." it is very difficult to stop the madness. Telling people the news is bs begets you a nasty stare.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


That's because they hate the idea of thinking that every single source of official information is untrustworthy. Who, then, are they supposed to trust? Unofficial sources?

The worst thing you can do to someone is rip that which is most familiar right out from under their feet. They will claw and scratch and bite before they let that go...

reply to post by Shamatt

No sideways movement, no twisting, just down. Just like every other controlled demolition I have ever seen

And you know why it looks like that? Because all those controlled demolitions happened on the planet Earth. Where gravity works in a straight line. Most folks understand this.

I'm a little confused here...unsurpisingly. There seems to be a few people who are arguing as though they believe the official story.

Did you notice NOTHING strange about 9/11? Did it all just seem like a tragedy, and the official story explained it perfectly? Is there anyone here who believes this?

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

That's because they hate the idea of thinking that every single source of official information is untrustworthy. Who, then, are they supposed to trust? Unofficial sources?

The worst thing you can do to someone is rip that which is most familiar right our from under their feet. They will claw and scratch and bite before they let that go...

Yeah I understand what you are saying from a pyschological perspective. To tell someone that everything is rigged is a bit far fetched, very far fetched. But I could explain this with the secret bilderberger meetings and the annual bohemian groove gatherings, WHERE ALL THE ELITE GATHER TO EAT, DRINK AND BE MERRY!

Perpetual capitalism allows a few people to consolidate wealth from one family to the next family. Given 100 or 500 years the next thing you know is that the same people control the media, the banks, the judicial system and ultimately politicians.

Is it really a coincidence most people think politics are corrupt beyond repair? No! They have an idea but ideas are not good enough.

Originally posted by Shamatt
Watch this video from the 3 minute mark.

Why did none of the vehicles on the brige the plane flew over get blown away like this? If it was low enough to it the light poles (Which apparently didn't damage the wings, somehow?) Why were the cars we see in the pictures not tossed about like this car?

edit on 14-9-2012 by Shamatt because: (no reason given)

Fantastic video! You wont get any rational refutal to your post, I suspect. I used the same arguments in a similar thread recently using Wing Vortex and air displacement due to the high speed of the incoming "plane" I was not even factoring in the turbine energy.

Well done!!