" Climate Change Is Not A Hoax", says Obama!!??

I could not believe he said it, admitted it, and it hit home for me!

There is no debate, the climate is changing and it's a huge problem we are facing!!

Here is what Mr. President said. timesofindia.indiatimes.com...

"My plan will continue to reduce the carbon pollution that is heating our planet, because climate change is not a hoax," he said, as he accepted his party's presidential nomination for the tight-fought election in November. "More droughts and floods and wildfires are not a joke," he said. "They are a threat to our children's future."

Legislation backed by Obama died in the US Senate in 2010 amid staunch opposition from Republicans, many of whom question scientists' view that carbon emissions are behind rising temperatures. Obama has urged Congress to renew tax credits for clean energy, with incentives for wind power set to expire at the end of 2012, and called for an end to subsidies to already profitable oil companies.

The debate should not be about who or what is causing it, FIX IT ALREADY!!! www.boston.com...

ENERGY: Obama said the country could cut oil imports in half by 2020, and support more than 600,000 jobs by expanding natural gas production in the United States, and investing in alternative energy sources, clean coal, biofuels, and more energy-efficient homes and buildings. He said his administration has raised fuel standards so cars and trucks will go farther on a gallon of gas; has made the country less dependent on foreign sources of oil; and opened up millions of new acres for oil and gas exploration.

Investing in alternative energy is what I'm talking about! This has got to be a priority and be at the forefront of any Presidents agenda!!

I have not bought into the lies our politicians have been promoting and I really do think they are all puppets, but his speech was impressive and Obama did say pretty much everything I wanted to hear!

This though, this is real, it's non debatable anymore as we are all becoming affected by climate change.

Yes, the Earth has always had changing climate.... No doubt, but my fiends we are living in a world that is going against the good order of NATURE and if we want to live here for very much longer, kids grow up and have kids, and so on, then we need to take better care of our planet!!!! Nations should not be divided, people should not be divided, and our congress better wake up!

It doesn't surprise me that news media are not talking about this issue more and it doesn't surprise me they were slow to bring up the issue from his speech last night.

The truth is ugly sometimes, but someone somewhere in charge needs to step up and do it quick!

So, what do you think ATS? What are your thoughts?

No, It's not a hoax.

It's happening and will get worse in the future. It has happened before on this planet and will happen again.

It's not human caused and is just a cycle the earth goes through.

The only human caused disaster is hat people want to take advantage of it and make money off the issue.

Another way for the richer to get richer

reply to post by MamaJ


Global warming is a hoax period. The eartth is warmed by only one source, the sun. The sun is hotter than usual, making the planet hotter than usual.

Seems easy enough to understand without the chicken little routine to me, I don't know how everyone else doesn't see it also.

If your burning up is it because your skin is trapping to much green house gasses? Or is it that your standing too close to the fire?

You do the math.

reply to post by MamaJ


I couldn't agree more with motivation.

I am not an american but I would indefinitely say that this is more lies by this man, politicians will do anything close to the election date to improve their chances in the election.

Nikola Tesla wanted free energy for all and had the intellectual ability to do just that, The reason this will never be addressed appropriately is simply one thing, Money.

The oil companies will never stop until they have bled our planet dry, Then they will scream for the scientists to come up with a solution. There was a solution once (Nikola Tesla), The greed of the TPTB denied us that very solution.

They have failed my generation.

reply to post by inverslyproportional


How clever...




The climate IS changing...as it has done over and over for millions of years. The only debate is if it natural, is man-made or if it is worsened by man. This is the debate...but sorry to burst your ignorance bubble...the climate is changing.

There was a time several thousand years ago that the earth was covered in ice...called "snowball earth"...there was a time that the poles were lush with vegetation...the massive cycles of time are real and are repeating.

I'm not going to say man has anything to do with it...but I will say it takes a complete dolt to think that changes are not happening right before our eyes.

Originally posted by MamaJ
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The truth is ugly sometimes, but someone somewhere in charge needs to step up and do it quick!

So, what do you think ATS? What are your thoughts?

You are wasting your time. Most people on ATS would argue with Jesus if he came down and said Global warming is real. They think everything is fine. Well, I don't have much hope for the future. It's looking like a combo of "The Road" and "Mad Max". Let it all burn, just don't take their oil.

The climate IS changing...as it has done over and over for millions of years. The only debate is if it natural, is man-made or if it is worsened by man. This is the debate...but sorry to burst your ignorance bubble...the climate is changing. There was a time several thousand years ago that the earth was covered in ice...called "snowball earth"...there was a time that the poles were lush with vegetation...the massive cycles of time are real and are repeating. I'm not going to say man has anything to do with it...but I will say it takes a complete dolt to think that changes are not happening right before our eyes.

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There is no denying the climate has always changed. Read the op.... Smart one.

The debates are wasting time, it's obvious we all do our fair share and accountability is an issue with humanity. It seems everyone wants to blame another.

I say either sh@$ or get off the pot.

" ignorance bubble" ?? If you are talking to me then ya best find better and nicer words because its way too early for me to break it off in ya this morning! Lol seriously, don't talk/ type to me that way as its not welcomed and definitely not a healthy way to communicate with others. It just shows your own ignorance.

The fact is we were not here the last ice age and so now at present time we are seeing what we think happened prior.... It's unsettling and plans should be implemented already and rushed plans at that. We have future generations to protect as our species is at risk!

Time is a circle. What comes around goes around. History will always repeat itself especially when we as intelectual beings poke, prod, and rape the very place we live. If we do not start taking care of this planet she will take care of us. Period.

Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by MamaJ
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The truth is ugly sometimes, but someone somewhere in charge needs to step up and do it quick!

So, what do you think ATS? What are your thoughts?

You are wasting your time. Most people on ATS would argue with Jesus if he came down and said Global warming is real. They think everything is fine. Well, I don't have much hope for the future. It's looking like a combo of "The Road" and "Mad Max". Let it all burn, just don't take their oil.

edit on 7-9-2012 by antonia because: opps

Until a person them self becomes inflicted by the change they will ignore it and turn the other way, I know. It's really sad that we are so dependent on oil. Take out my blood and see if I make it. Same with the earth..... I just don't get how so many people are ignorant to the issues. This is what I want to see on the news, I want to see each and every person made aware that this is no joke. There is no debate.

All the little arguments are not getting us anywhere. It's wasting time.

Now..... Let's fix it!

Originally posted by The0nlytruth
reply to post by MamaJ

 

I couldn't agree more with motivation.

I am not an american but I would indefinitely say that this is more lies by this man, politicians will do anything close to the election date to improve their chances in the election.

Nikola Tesla wanted free energy for all and had the intellectual ability to do just that, The reason this will never be addressed appropriately is simply one thing, Money.

The oil companies will never stop until they have bled our planet dry, Then they will scream for the scientists to come up with a solution. There was a solution once (Nikola Tesla), The greed of the TPTB denied us that very solution.

They have failed my generation.

I'm standing right beside you my friend, your voice is my voice as well!

Tesla was right, but ya know he in my opinion was never given proper credit for all the knowledge he contributed.

Money is a major problem as the greed of it is killing us all.

The generations after us are going to reap what we sowed not to mention the threat of our bery home is at risk....and this is why it should be top priority.

Nations are coming together and trying to figure things out. I see this and it's appreciated!

We are now studying the radiation belt more closely and I believe as time progresses we need to understand our planets safety shields including the magnetic field, sun, and system all together. Biased people need to get out of the way and allow nature to speak!

There is a lot going on and a lot that needs to be done.

The monetary system is buckling and this is where we need to just let go and let that bottom drop because it's inevitable. Paper is paper.... It's not worth anything in the grand scheme of things.

We have an entire system that needs to fail so we can fix it all from the ground up.

Just my opinion of course.

Originally posted by inverslyproportional
reply to post by MamaJ

 

Global warming is a hoax period. The eartth is warmed by only one source, the sun. The sun is hotter than usual, making the planet hotter than usual.

Seems easy enough to understand without the chicken little routine to me, I don't know how everyone else doesn't see it also.

If your burning up is it because your skin is trapping to much green house gasses? Or is it that your standing too close to the fire?

You do the math.

Stay asleep..... That's fine.

All of us that are awake will make it happen and then when you do wake up as I'm sure eventually you, yourself will become affected, you will see that all the work has been done..... Or not?

We can be a part of the solution or problem.

First step though for all of us is ADMITTING there is indeed a problem.

Call it whatever that makes you feel good, but at least call it a problem!

reply to post by MamaJ

Now..... Let's fix it!

Fix what? What's the problem? Can't fix nothin if you don't know the problem.
So what problem to fix with what answer.

That's the debate for, to identify the problem and only then to come with an answer.
You want to have me pay into an answer because what.. you want me to believe?

Guess what, I don't do believing, I want science to identify, and I want that science to be solid. Rocksolid.
After that we may debate the answer.

Originally posted by mwood

No, It's not a hoax.

It's happening and will get worse in the future. It has happened before on this planet and will happen again.

It's not human caused and is just a cycle the earth goes through.

The only human caused disaster is hat people want to take advantage of it and make money off the issue.

Another way for the richer to get richer

Thanks for weighing in your thoughts.

Humans are not helping the cycle and to think the earth is just some ball we hang out on is undermining what she truly is.

She is alive!

Now, knowing she is alive does that make what we do to her worse?

In my opinion it's a big fat YES.

Ever heard of fracking?

There is a lot we are contributing to our home thats not good and does not go with the good order of nature. Kn fact, it makes her being able to sustain that much harder.

She has been around the block countless times with other species and she is still holding up.... But the species have not.

The homo sapien has the intellect but the will is getting in the way.

Our will is about ego, and this is a major problem.

Live and let live sounds all good, real cozy, but it sometimes breaks the natural laws that are obvioisly going to cause our own species demise!

Lets just cut to the chase on this instead of slimy backdoor tactics using global warming as the proxy. The new world-wide monetary standard should go to the BTU, or some such universal energy unit. All things animate and inanimate, all matter and energy can be defined and thus quantified under energy units.

The big BUT is this also means every constitution or foundational document for every country in the world also is still in place just as before except any monetary references in those documents is accepted as to now mean energy monetary units. Not the dollar, not the Yen, not the gold standard, Energy cannot change and cannot be manipulated by back room unseen powers. There are conversion mathematics for everything with regards to energy that are absolute.

To "make more money" there is now incentive to discover new energy generation means. The more energy you can develop or provide, the "richer" you are. Some numb-nut with a hydo or wind generation capability can earn an "income" by selling and trading energy units.

reply to post by MamaJ


if a strong president actually came in and started directing orders to combat agw and other top priorities, he'd be labeled the antichrist and society would collapse from all the paranoia. people in this country beg for change, yet deep down fear real change.

it's ridiculous

Originally posted by D.Wolf
reply to post by MamaJ

 

Now..... Let's fix it!

Fix what? What's the problem? Can't fix nothin if you don't know the problem.
So what problem to fix with what answer.

That's the debate for, to identify the problem and only then to come with an answer.
You want to have me pay into an answer because what.. you want me to believe?

Guess what, I don't do believing, I want science to identify, and I want that science to be solid. Rocksolid.
After that we may debate the answer.

Oh it's rock solid alright. Do you not read and stay on top of this issue? It doesn't appear so. www.sciencemag.org...

The scientific consensus is clearly expressed in the reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). Created in 1988 by the World Meteorological Organization and the United Nations Environmental Programme, IPCC's purpose is to evaluate the state of climate science as a basis for informed policy action, primarily on the basis of peer-reviewed and published scientific literature (3). In its most recent assessment, IPCC states unequivocally that the consensus of scientific opinion is that Earth's climate is being affected by human activities: “Human activities … are modifying the concentration of atmospheric constituents … that absorb or scatter radiant energy. … [M]ost of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations” [p. 21 in (4)]. IPCC is not alone in its conclusions. In recent years, all major scientific bodies in the United States whose members' expertise bears directly on the matter have issued similar statements. For example, the National Academy of Sciences report, Climate Change Science: An Analysis of Some Key Questions, begins: “Greenhouse gases are accumulating in Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise” [p. 1 in (5)]. The report explicitly asks whether the IPCC assessment is a fair summary of professional scientific thinking, and answers yes: “The IPCC's conclusion that most of the observed warming of the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations accurately reflects the current thinking of the scientific community on this issue” [p. 3 in (5)]. Others agree. The American Meteorological Society (6), the American Geophysical Union (7), and the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) all have issued statements in recent years concluding that the evidence for human modification of climate is compelling (8).

Now don't get me wrong there are a few thick heads who ate driven by money but don't think for a minute this is even debatable, it's not.

Originally posted by tkwasny
Lets just cut to the chase on this instead of slimy backdoor tactics using global warming as the proxy. The new world-wide monetary standard should go to the BTU, or some such universal energy unit. All things animate and inanimate, all matter and energy can be defined and thus quantified under energy units.

The big BUT is this also means every constitution or foundational document for every country in the world also is still in place just as before except any monetary references in those documents is accepted as to now mean energy monetary units. Not the dollar, not the Yen, not the gold standard, Energy cannot change and cannot be manipulated by back room unseen powers. There are conversion mathematics for everything with regards to energy that are absolute.

To "make more money" there is now incentive to discover new energy generation means. The more energy you can develop or provide, the "richer" you are. Some numb-nut with a hydo or wind generation capability can earn an "income" by selling and trading energy units.

edit on 7-9-2012 by tkwasny because: Addition

Yeah, I hear you loud and clear.

I want free energy and free water.

I paid almost three dollars the other day for ice. Wth? For ice? Aw naw! If I'm ever asked to go get ice again I'm not doing it!

I long for a world that's not so dang greedy!

Climate change? Well, Duh! But, carbon dioxide is not to blame. In fact, the Earth is starved for CO2 relative to the historical average. During the Cretaceous period it was 8-10 times higher. I await the inevitable spin.

Originally posted by Smack
Climate change? Well, Duh! But, carbon dioxide is not to blame. In fact, the Earth is starved for CO2 relative to the historical average. During the Cretaceous period it was 8-10 times higher. I await the inevitable spin.

So, in your opinion there is no blame?

That's fine..... Blaming gets us no where anyway.

What can we do to help, that's what needs to be the focus.

How can we as intellectual human beings work this problem out before we are worked out of the equation?

This right here is REAL TALK! www.sciencemag.org... " it is time for us to listen" to what climate scientists have been saying, repeatedly!!!

Many details about climate interactions are not well understood, and there are ample grounds for continued research to provide a better basis for understanding climate dynamics. The question of what to do about climate change is also still open. But there is a scientific consensus on the reality of anthropogenic climate change. Climate scientists have repeatedly tried to make this clear. It is time for the rest of us to listen.

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No spin needed.

There were no human beings around during the cretaceous period. That was 65-140 million years ago.

This isn't about life not being able to find a way, it's about keeping civilization afloat despite the fact that we're drastically changing the environment.

reply to post by MamaJ


Oke let's assume it is not debatable. What is the answer to, was it, human c02 emissions causing global warming?