Hackers Claim to Have Obtained Romney's Tax Returns

Originally posted by IsThisThingBugged
reply to post by MystikMushroom

 

This tax return stuff really pisses me off. Romney made $20,000,000. And paid 14% or so tax. That's over $2,500,000 in taxes. Half of Americans pay ZERO in taxes but get to use the same roads, same schools, etc.

When everybody pays their share then let's condemn the rich. Otherwise it's just nonsense.

How does it feel to have so much money? Just wondering.

Originally posted by IsThisThingBugged
reply to post by MystikMushroom

 

This tax return stuff really pisses me off. Romney made $20,000,000. And paid 14% or so tax. That's over $2,500,000 in taxes. Half of Americans pay ZERO in taxes but get to use the same roads, same schools, etc.

When everybody pays their share then let's condemn the rich. Otherwise it's just nonsense.

Yeah...so what?

Why shouldn't Romney pay 18 million in taxes like the obscenely and disgustingly rich had to during the 1950's? It's not like Romney worked for his money...his station in life was transferred to him down the bloodline. No different than the monarchy we once fought a Revolution to free ourselves from.

I'll tell you what...if you gave me the choice of being born to middle class Americans or being born into a privileged family in which every opportunity in the world was simply handed to me on the condition that I would only be able to keep $2 million of the $20 million I made...I would sign up in a f^cking heartbeat.

So what's the problem? Two million bucks is STILL far more money than any single family needs to make in a single year. What the guy just won't have "incentive" to work anymore if all he can make a measly two million dollars? Great. Then he can sit on his ass, be unmotivated, and go bankrupt. I'm sure there are many, many other people who would be willing to pick up the slack for him for just a small portion of that $2 million bucks.

It's the same principle as "outsourcing"...except that it all happens on US soil and another US citizen benefits if Romney is too lazy to participate in the economy for $2 million dollars per year.

Originally posted by IsThisThingBugged
reply to post by MystikMushroom

 

This tax return stuff really pisses me off. Romney made $20,000,000. And paid 14% or so tax. That's over $2,500,000 in taxes. Half of Americans pay ZERO in taxes but get to use the same roads, same schools, etc.

When everybody pays their share then let's condemn the rich. Otherwise it's just nonsense.

Except that sales and property taxes pay for roads and schools?

How do all of the poor people avoid paying sales taxes?

And what does this have to do with Romney's IRS papers?

Originally posted by nightstalker78

Originally posted by Shadowcast

Originally posted by nightstalker78


I'm pretty sure you can't run for office if you're a felon,so try again

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. If there are accusations of tax fraud and evasion why would you not investigate if the sob might be your next President? The guy might be a felon, he might not, by not releasing his records he adds to the suspicion of the prior.

I got your point...if what you just said was true it WILL COME OUT. Or it would have come out by now!

Some of you people just keep digging and digging for stuff even when there's nothing there. But that's not enough for people like you...you'll just claim cover up.OMG EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY!!

ETA: Just an FYI I've already made arrangements for my daughter and I to leave the country should Obama be re-elected. Personally I don't like either candidate..but there is a lesser of two evils here...

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Ummm....actually it's lesser of three evils....and his name is Gary Johnson.

Wake up already...would you?

Originally posted by votan
I do not know how it is in your family but next time you have a secret santa or gift exchange deal decide that the amount you will spend on gifts is a percentage of your monthly net income.

where my father and I are okay with this my brother, sister mother and girlfriend(now wife) had a problem with it.... because they all make significantly less than my father and I do.

now apply that to rich middle class and poor and you have the same thing.

IT is technically fair to use a flatpercentage but the impact of that percentage affect people differently.. which makes it not fair.

The scales are too skewed for a flat rate to work with the rich middleclass and poor

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Agreed.

And let's face it...it's not like the majority of the wealthy got there by hard work or skill anymore. Why are so many people OK with the idea that Paris Hilton shouldn't pay more taxes? The ONLY reason she is cutting hair at Great Clips is because of having the sheer dumb luck of being born into obscene and disgusting wealth. Despite having all of the resources and opportunities in the world...she hasn't been able to do anything useful with her life except for be a dumb b^tch on TV.....and the same can be said of Romney for that matter.

These people didn't work, they aren't intelligent, and they don't possess any special skills whatsoever. Sure...every once in awhile we get a self-made success story like Steve Jobs...but for every Steve Jobs there are 10 Bill Gates whose Daddy's financed all of their early efforts and companies.

Regardless of what you think of Romney(and I am not a fan of his, and am writing in Ron Paul's name), what the "hackers" did is a criminal act. That should be the issue here, not what someone paid in taxes. Romney paid what he legally had to pay. He took deductions that are available to everyone in his tax bracket. If you don't like that, then write your senators and representatives and complain to them.
When will people understand that these are all diversions, keeping everyone from focusing on the real problem in this country- jobs, jobs, jobs. Forget OBama's birth certificate, Romney's taxes and his dog on the car, where Obama goes on vacation and other such nonsense. Concentrate on what each candidate has in the way of a plan for the next 4 years.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by IsThisThingBugged
reply to post by MystikMushroom

 

This tax return stuff really pisses me off. Romney made $20,000,000. And paid 14% or so tax. That's over $2,500,000 in taxes. Half of Americans pay ZERO in taxes but get to use the same roads, same schools, etc.

When everybody pays their share then let's condemn the rich. Otherwise it's just nonsense.

Except that sales and property taxes pay for roads and schools?

How do all of the poor people avoid paying sales taxes?

And what does this have to do with Romney's IRS papers?

Exactly..."avoiding income taxes" is much, much, different than "not having any income to tax". You can't squeeze blood from a stone.

Seriously...I thought the Republicans were supposed to be the "common sense" party? If you don't have enough fish...do you go fishing in a lake or in the bathtub where you KNOW there aren't going to be any fish.

...so why would the government try to get money to pay down the debt and deficit from people that have no money? It's that simple guys. Nothing else to it.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Regardless of what you think of Romney(and I am not a fan of his, and am writing in Ron Paul's name), what the "hackers" did is a criminal act. That should be the issue here, not what someone paid in taxes. Romney paid what he legally had to pay. He took deductions that are available to everyone in his tax bracket. If you don't like that, then write your senators and representatives and complain to them.
When will people understand that these are all diversions, keeping everyone from focusing on the real problem in this country- jobs, jobs, jobs. Forget OBama's birth certificate, Romney's taxes and his dog on the car, where Obama goes on vacation and other such nonsense. Concentrate on what each candidate has in the way of a plan for the next 4 years.

Neither one has a plan.

Vote for Gary Johnson.

Originally posted by milominderbinder

...so why would the government try to get money to pay down the debt and deficit from people that have no money? It's that simple guys. Nothing else to it.

I know the gov't isn't trying to get $ from me.

Like you said, can't squeeze blood from a stone.
Time is money and you can only shake down so many people in a day.
So it's best to shake down those with higher odds of having a few coins drop out.

Neither one has a plan.

reply to post by milominderbinder


That is EXACTLY my point. When people realize that (if the MSM forces them to reveal their "plans"), THEN people will understand that we need an alternative. Let's be honest, though, your candidate and Ron Paul(my write-in candidate) has no chance. I am writing in Dr. Paul's name, sending a message to the RNC that what they did to Dr. Paul at the RNC was a travesty, and that sort of behavior will cost them votes. You know as well as I do, that our votes are mere protest votes though. It will take time for Americans to come to the conclusion that you and I have, namely that both the Dems and the Reps are useless, and could care less about us. They both just want to enrich themselves and their buddy crooks.

I've said this so many times so I will say it once more then shut up.

Dear Republican birthers,

Do you honestly think, that if the President of the most powerful country in the whole world, your beloved U S of A, really was born overseas, he would produce FAKE documents?

Are you stupid? Moronic? If he really was lying and was from a different country (hilarious theory), there is no way on this earth that he wouldn't be able to have 100% real birth certificates written up for him and put through the system as if they were always there.

I don't know how stupid you must be to think the President of America would produce birth certificates that are "proven fakes". So you can land on the moon but can't make some fake, real birth certificates? I know a guy that gets real passports made fraudulently for $1000, you're telling me Obama wouldn't be able to have a word in someone's ear quickly to get proper certificates made up? Please

Get a grip for god sake. It's embarrassing.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus

Neither one has a plan.

reply to post by milominderbinder

 

That is EXACTLY my point. When people realize that (if the MSM forces them to reveal their "plans"), THEN people will understand that we need an alternative. Let's be honest, though, your candidate and Ron Paul(my write-in candidate) has no chance. I am writing in Dr. Paul's name, sending a message to the RNC that what they did to Dr. Paul at the RNC was a travesty, and that sort of behavior will cost them votes. You know as well as I do, that our votes are mere protest votes though. It will take time for Americans to come to the conclusion that you and I have, namely that both the Dems and the Reps are useless, and could care less about us. They both just want to enrich themselves and their buddy crooks.

Of course they don't have a chance. But 2-4 elections in a row of a Libertarian Party pulling 5-15% of the vote will be enough to solidify it so that people begin to see it as a viable alternative. If this last election has taught us all nothing else, it should teach us that BOTH parties are so incredibly corrupt that "change from within" is a pipe a dream.

I'm playing the long game and both voting and working at the local level to break the two-party system. Candidates come and go...but political parties endure.

Originally posted by Scope and a Beam
I've said this so many times so I will say it once more then shut up.

Dear Republican birthers,

Do you honestly think, that if the President of the most powerful country in the whole world, your beloved U S of A, really was born overseas, he would produce FAKE documents?

Are you stupid? Moronic? If he really was lying and was from a different country (hilarious theory), there is no way on this earth that he wouldn't be able to have 100% real birth certificates written up for him and put through the system as if they were always there.

I don't know how stupid you must be to think the President of America would produce birth certificates that are "proven fakes". So you can land on the moon but can't make some fake, real birth certificates? I know a guy that gets real passports made fraudulently for $1000, you're telling me Obama wouldn't be able to have a word in someone's ear quickly to get proper certificates made up? Please

Get a grip for god sake. It's embarrassing.

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Exactly...that's the hilarious thing about the whole thing.

The birthers are claiming that a guy with the full might of the Central Intelligence Agency, Secret Service, and NSA behind him is faking his birth certificate using Adobe Photoshop and Adobe Acrobat.

...I'm just waiting for one of these nutters to come out with a Kinko's or CopyMax receipt claiming that it's the "smoking gun" that proves that Obama is "Kenyan" and this is the evidence to show where he printed up his fake documents.

LOL.

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and you dont think mitt payed exponentially more in sales taxes/gas/etc on his stuff?

you have no point. unless mitt somehow drives on roads 2,000,000 times harder than the non tax payers. which i dont even know what that means. maybe you could explain?


and seriously, just think about it. if somebody makes $25,000 a year and pays no income tax. they maybe make what, $15k in purchases in a year at most? im just making that up, not sure what it might really be. for the example we will say 15k though. so if you consider a 7% sales tax for all 15k, its what, $1,050 in taxes they payed for gas/etc. wow. im impressed.

now consider mitt. he already payed $2,500,000 in income tax compared to $1,050. now, he probably spends $15,000/month on food for their horses. all taxed (except whatever they are deducting of course). just think of all the other cost and money he spends that gets taxed. he probably pays $25,000 a month in taxes on stuff he buys.


your comparison is childish and means nothing. the amount of money people with his wealth pay in taxes, both income and sales, etc, are far beyond your comprehension. and most others too. get to know somebody who makes a few million a year, and spends money like they do. then try to compare a $25k/year non taxed person..... not even close.

Soooo question? Has it been confirmed that his tax records have been stolen.

Sorry to break up all the chit chat about how much people should pay in taxes banter but I am kinda interested in whether or not this is real and if he is going to pay or not to keep it secret. I thought that was what this thread was about.

I am surprised how many people still believe in Obama ... I was born and raised in Europe - lived there and guess what - know that I am in the US - I never was so happy in my entire life! ... don't turn this country into a socialistic Europe.

I think if he released them it would just give the democrats more fuel to dredge up some insignificant inconsistency and try to make a big thing out of it. It would be stupid to release all those tax returns in today's political climate.

Apparently McCain only released two, and I don't think anyone made a stink about it, Reagan, only 1, at least that is what I read.

I will also add that the narrative the dems want to dwell on is that of Mitt Romney being a rich guy, probably in their view, an evil rich guy, releasing taxes allows them to dwell over the details of what they perceive to be evil, his money making. The tax rate he pays is frosting on the cake of their 'narrative' and as I said, who knows what else they would try to make up out of the data found in the reports.

The Obama campaign would find something and make it a cardinal point of their campaign. In effect, it is like giving Obama more potential rope to hang Romney with, whether they want to exploit it by saying they have found evidence of using legal tax loopholes, putting money in foreign banks, an accountant that made a mistake, etc., the possibilities are endless. I'm sure his taxes are more complicated than most, and they would require a quite competent accountant. As I said, in my thinking it is just too much of a political pandoras box to open in this political climate. If you think the tax return mud slinging is bad now, it would be worse if he released more taxes. In my opinion, if he released ten years of taxes three months ago the liberal media would have been that much closer to having a field day quizzing him on whether he should drop out after they got through with formulating some bogus narrative based on his tax return data. As we all know, the years he has released show that he gives around 16% of his earnings to charity, far above Obama, of course no one really talks about that nearly as much.

If the tables were turned and it was Obama withholding tax returns, we'd have the entire GOP up in arms.

Romney is required to give 10% minimum of his income to his church. He gives them money/stocks and writes it off in his taxes. The church is tax exempt, so none of that money doesn't make it into the US coffers. As a Mormon bishop he benefits from the wealth of the church.

Romney apparently gave 23 years of tax returns to McCain (who immediately passed him over for Sarah Palin and lost in a landslide to Obama....Romney lost to McCain, who lost to Obama...hmmm.....), so the records are prepared an out there. The delay tactics (which have worked for him numerous times in the past), are to help him prepare fresh records to show he's a real stand up guy. He loves America. That's why all his money is in foreign banks. That's why he doesn't want to show that he's not paying taxes. That's why he's against doing anything for the majority of the American people.

Romney has said (one of the few policies that he's talked about) that he wants to do away with Capital Gains Tax. How much would he personally gain from that? Consider all that sheltered money - Cayman Islands, Switzerland etc. - is taxed as capital gains rather than income. 15% against 35%.
Name another presidency that stood to gain personal wealth through policy (oil, Halliburton, Tamiflu etc.)?
Romney's in this for personal wealth. That's it. How did all that money get into his retirement account? A mathematical impossibility. What else is he writing off every year?

Universal health care in the US would cost about $90Billion a year.
Church tax exemption costs the taxpayer $91Billion a year.
Why's everyone against it? It could be paid for by making these "charitable organisations" actually be charitable rather than self serving.

Tax the churches.
Ban lobbying.
Show the tax records.
Common Sense. It's out there. You just have to look for it.

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Forgive me, but I have different information from yours.
subsidyscope.org...

The largest tax subsidy that targets nonprofits is the deduction for charitable contributions. The federal government subsidizes donations to qualified charities by allowing taxpayers who itemize to deduct those donations from their pre-tax income. In fiscal year 2008, this tax subsidy cost the Treasury nearly $47 billion of revenue.

Please note that that is for all charitable deductions; Boy Scouts, American Cancer Society, the list is endless. So I don't understand why you say

Church tax exemption costs the taxpayer $91Billion a year.

Perhaps you're looking at taxing the churches themselves? In that case you're going to have some problems with the Supreme Court.

Exempting churches from taxation upholds the separation of church and state embodied by the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the US Constitution. The US Supreme Court, in a majority opinion written by Chief Justice Warren E. Burger in Walz v. Tax Commission of the City of New York, decided May 4, 1970, stated: "The exemption creates only a minimal and remote involvement between church and state, and far less than taxation of churches. It restricts the fiscal relationship between church and state, and tends to complement and reinforce the desired separation insulating each from the other."

churchesandtaxes.procon.org...

As a Mormon bishop he benefits from the wealth of the church.

Please explain this to me. Mormon Bishoprics are unpaid positions, so how does he benefit?

Universal health care in the US would cost about $90Billion a year.

John Sheils, a senior vice president of the Lewin Group, said about $1.5 trillion to $1.7 trillion would be a credible estimate for a plan that commits the nation to covering all its citizens. That would amount to around 4 percent of projected health care costs over the next 10 years, he added.

So, that's about $160 billion a year. www.foxnews.com...

Name another presidency that stood to gain personal wealth through policy (oil, Halliburton, Tamiflu etc.)?

Obama? Through the donations he gets from "green energy" companies.

Romney's in this for personal wealth. That's it. How did all that money get into his retirement account? A mathematical impossibility.

You may have forgotten that there is more than one way to put assets into a retirement account. There are methods that would allow it. Second, if he's making illegal contributions to his account, there is an absolute certainty that the IRS would have found it, and Obama would know about it.

Common Sense. It's out there. You just have to look for it.

Thanks for the advice, I'll keep looking for it.

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Release them at the end of the month? Why wait? Sounds like a staged phony operation if you ask me.