Hackers Claim to Have Obtained Romney's Tax Returns

reply to post by IsThisThingBugged


Taxing the rich is just a another trick that most idiots will welcome. If 97% of the dollar has been devalued since the 30's, what do you think is going to happen when this quantitative easing (money printing) starts affecting inflation? I had the opportunity to live in italy during the eighties, and ten years before the acceptance of the euro, I witnessed the old currency (Lira) inflate to over 400% in just 7 years. My point is that a tax based on a fixed higher income is wrong because we will all be earning a lot of more money, but it will all be inflation. If your making 60K today, don't be surprised if you will be earning 150K in 5 years. You will earn more, but your buying power will be the same or worse.

Quote me on this, the average family income will meet or surpass the 250K threshold in less than 10 years, and will still be struggling to get by.

Open your eyes people, this attack the rich taxation policy is a trick that will blanket us ALL!

reply to post by MystikMushroom

Granted, thats a blanket statement the way you see it, and it's likely you have a large following that see it the same. But don't you think thats a bit of an attack. Were He Catholic, Methodist, Baptist Asian religion, Bahi, etc. etc...... I'm sure I'v left many out...... but wouldn't that be a 'good thing' ? To pay tithing...? Thats tantamount to believing fully in your faith and adhering to it's tennents. I have lived in Utah, I have had dealings with Mormons (of which I was not one) And even as an outsider, their morals and humanity towards others was always second to none. I'm not defending them (well I suppose this is a defense) technically, but I have no affiliation with the Mormon church, nor any contact with any known members, never the less, were I to have to choose........ Mormons would likely lead the list of those who I could rely on or that I would trust. So what I'm saying, is that the issue of Mormons automatically being some sort of threat, well that's just unfounded and fueled by ignorance on behalf of the public perception.
As for the amount of taxes He paid, I'm sure He used every available means to legally file with. Just because some tax laws favor Him, is in no way indicative of any misuse. You don't become a successful businessman by being sloppy with your capitol, instead you make it work on your behalf.

I just want to point out that such a blanket statement serves no purpose other than being used as a method of attack.

Frankly.......... I don't like either Romney, nor Obama. I feel the Good Doctor would have a better chance of healing America's woes.

Originally posted by whywhynot

Originally posted by fnpmitchreturns

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
I find it odd that the general accepted number is 2 for the years before election, They then show every return while in office. Obama released everything he had for the decade, and good for him. Releasing at the stage he did, he was unique as I can find. Clinton released a bunch, but much of his releasing didn't come until around 1996 and the re-election according to records.

Leaving that entirely aside for a moment though....This is the 3rd time I have heard Anonymous claim to have done this. Of course, Anonymous is everyone and no one. So this could be a world class hacker or a 13yr old wanna be on Mommy and Daddy's computer. The downsides of Anonymous.

Either way though, if they or ANYONE gets access sufficient to get Romney's tax returns and ONLY gets Romney's tax return...I'll call them the worst kind of political hack and troll I've ever heard of. Ever. Bar none.

To waste a once in a lifetime (They'd NEVER allow it a second time) shot at the gold that IRS records would represent on a political stunt would be totally unforgivable. The Cables Scandal would pale next to someone, some day, getting a true dump of IRS records.

That wouldn't be a leak.......Noah built himself a little boat the last time something flowed with that much importance.

I think one point is that when the government gave amnesty a few years back for people who had hide money abroad paid a special rate to re-patriot their untaxed hidden money... I Romney hide taxable income overseas (a felony) and they paid a special tax using a particular IRS form ... we should know if he lied about his taxes and then was given amnesty to bring his money home....

Speculation but even if he did that it wasn't illegal. Want to speculate some more?? Ok, Obama needs to release his collage records. He could have applied for and received a grant or government aid claiming that he was indonesian (illegal). We need to see his records to prove that he did not. Sort of a good for the goose/gander thing.

I agree this i peculation but with the sealed records will we ever know... thiss applies to both Obummer and Mittens..

I think they are both pond scum which floats to the top......

he probably spends $15,000/month on food for their horses. all taxed

Animal feed for his horse is most likely not taxed. No doubt he is writing of the whole cost of this horse business.

I read down this thread and like so many others here recently,I'm just stunned. What has happened to my nation. What became of America, where the goal was to MAKE MORE of one's self and be successful??

Romney's real crime here seems to be the audacity to make money! How DARE he...have more than we do. Some posts outright say he didn't work for it, so why should he have it?

WHO ARE WE TO SIT here and say he should or should not have money HE DID EARN??? He didn't just sit on his butt and complain about work as Obama is quoted as having done. He didn't throw the towel for USING that insanely expensive education some received, much like his own. Romney HAS been working his adult life. Perhaps people hate Bain Capital...but places like Staples exist soley because of them. People working there, owe their jobs to Bain.

However, we hear dems at the DNC misunderstand a prank and actually agree that Corp Profits should be banned. Excuse me?? Shall we dispense with the bull and just call one another Comrade? I mean this isn't funny anymore... this is PATHETIC. This attitude of 'Money is Evil..ALL the time' is how we destroy this nation, not repair and reform it!

If Romney's crime has been making money and wanting Uncle Sam to stay OUT of it as much as possible, then Bless his Heart. We see eye to eye 110%.

I ALSO want to make money and I damn sure want Uncle Sam OUT of my business if I ever succeed in my goal. He gets my vote TWICE for being wealthy......because I've seen what a community organizer new to money and from a background of poverty brings in modern America. It brings Socialism...and I'm tired of hating the nation the last two Presidents have created for us.

Bush started it and Obama has taken it to the level of an art form. Destruction of the United States is well underway and I'm personally tired of it.

reply to post by MystikMushroom


No, let me stop you there.
A birth certificate should be shown by all presidential candidates.
Other documents, like taxes are private, however Obama said he would be transparent, yet he sealed his records.

I doubt this is true if so they would of released the data.

Even the fbi has said this is bunk

reply to post by buster2010


What?

Agreed we do need a flat tax for everyone. But all of a persons income should be taxed as well.

Are you kidding me?

Let me guess, you want to "spread the wealth" as well huh?
You believe socialism and communism are the way to go, right?
You think the United States Constitution is old and out dated, right?

Am I wrong?

I read down this thread and like so many others here recently,I'm just stunned.

Will should all be stunned that once again a thread has gone off topic and turned into either a tax or gun control debate.

reply to post by Alxandro


Who cares about his college transcripts?

Is there anything birthers won't demand in this day and age?

If Romney wanted to one-up Obama, all he had to do was release ALL of his tax returns.

Originally posted by nightstalker78

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
The way I see it ...



The same can be said for Romney. If he's not hiding anything, or has any reason to fear his past returns -- cough them up!

If you don't have anything to hide,I'd like to see your past tax returns. Please PM me for an address to send them to.Thanks.

Disclaimer : I will make them public. Oh? Don't like that huh? But yet it's okay to see someone elses though right?

I didn't realize I was running for PUBLIC office... you know, the kind where he controls our financial stability alongside Congress (who truly holds the purse strings I guess).

Originally posted by nightstalker78
I'm pretty sure you can't run for office if you're a felon,so try again

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. If there are accusations of tax fraud and evasion why would you not investigate if the sob might be your next President? The guy might be a felon, he might not, by not releasing his records he adds to the suspicion of the prior.

I got your point...if what you just said was true it WILL COME OUT. Or it would have come out by now!

Some of you people just keep digging and digging for stuff even when there's nothing there. But that's not enough for people like you...you'll just claim cover up.OMG EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY!!

ETA: Just an FYI I've already made arrangements for my daughter and I to leave the country should Obama be re-elected. Personally I don't like either candidate..but there is a lesser of two evils here...

Good riddance.. please renounce your citizenship too.

Originally posted by IsThisThingBugged
reply to post by MystikMushroom

 

This tax return stuff really pisses me off. Romney made $20,000,000. And paid 14% or so tax. That's over $2,500,000 in taxes. Half of Americans pay ZERO in taxes but get to use the same roads, same schools, etc.

When everybody pays their share then let's condemn the rich. Otherwise it's just nonsense.

It really pisses me off to see so many struggling Americans buy this argument.

Why does Romney (or other rich people, including corporations) only pay 14% (or below) in taxes when the rest of struggling America pay nearly a quarter--25%--of their income in taxes, even as the cost of living rises and there's no proportional income increase and it's hard for them to write off 10%?

reply to post by Liquesence

The CBO released data in 2009 (I haven't seen anything newer) that shows, considering all Federal taxes, the following effective tax rates (the percent of income paid in taxes):

The lowest 20% of income earners pay 4.3%.
The next 20% pay 10.1%.
The middle 20% pay 14.2% of their income in Federal taxes.
The next 20% pay17.5%
And the 20% with the highest income pay 25.8% of their income in taxes.

I'm not posting this primarily to show that the information you've been given may be false, but I am curious to know where your information is coming from. I've seen your claims before, but I'd like to find a source, I may even start a thread on it.

Originally posted by marrasca
reply to post by IsThisThingBugged

 

Taxing the rich is just a another trick that most idiots will welcome. If 97% of the dollar has been devalued since the 30's, what do you think is going to happen when this quantitative easing (money printing) starts affecting inflation? I had the opportunity to live in italy during the eighties, and ten years before the acceptance of the euro, I witnessed the old currency (Lira) inflate to over 400% in just 7 years. My point is that a tax based on a fixed higher income is wrong because we will all be earning a lot of more money, but it will all be inflation. If your making 60K today, don't be surprised if you will be earning 150K in 5 years. You will earn more, but your buying power will be the same or worse.

Quote me on this, the average family income will meet or surpass the 250K threshold in less than 10 years, and will still be struggling to get by.

Open your eyes people, this attack the rich taxation policy is a trick that will blanket us ALL!

America taxed the rich at 90% during the Eisenhower and 70% during JFK

We did not have a structural deficit and the economy was more healthy in both eras

This problem with deficits began in the 80's when the rates were slashed
around 35% - low and behold the rates are still round 35% and the deficits are not reversing.

Can you explain why the tax rich policy will not work again?

Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by Liquesence

 

The CBO released data in 2009 (I haven't seen anything newer) that shows, considering all Federal taxes, the following effective tax rates (the percent of income paid in taxes):

The lowest 20% of income earners pay 4.3%.
The next 20% pay 10.1%.
The middle 20% pay 14.2% of their income in Federal taxes.
The next 20% pay17.5%
And the 20% with the highest income pay 25.8% of their income in taxes.

I'm not posting this primarily to show that the information you've been given may be false, but I am curious to know where your information is coming from. I've seen your claims before, but I'd like to find a source, I may even start a thread on it.

The information i have been given is not false, simply because i personally know plenty of people who do, in fact, pay a quarter of their income to taxes; and, it is a fact that many rich people and corporations (not all, i never said all), pay very very little in taxes.

Very low income brackets do pay little, as i believe they should, simply because of the cost of living proportional to income.

I would like to see actual income brackets for the above information, because i know people making 80-100k who pay 25%. While they not be "struggling," why do they pay more than a person who is worth--and makes--millions? THAT is the point.

Originally posted by TheLieWeLive

Romney's 1040 tax returns were taken from the PWC office 8/25/2012 by gaining access to the third floor via a gentleman working on the 3rd floor of the building. Once on the 3rd floor, the team moved down the stairs to the 2nd floor and setup shop in an empty office room. During the night, suite 260 was entered, and all available 1040 tax forms for Romney were copied.

This isn't what I would call hacking. It sounds more like Xeroxing mixed in with a little breaking and entering.

You forget that they had to hack up the door. Hence, "hacking" is appropriate. Like in Lumberjack.

reply to post by Liquesence

Dear Liquesence,

I really thank you for your post, because it made me go back to my numbers. I discovered that the CBO released a new set of figures a few weeks ago, so I have more up-to-date information for you. Here's what they're saying:

The average income of the bottom 20% was $23,500 and all federal taxes took 1% of their income.
The average income of the next 20% was $43,400 and all federal taxes took 6.8% of their income.
The average income of the middle 20% was $64,300 and all federal taxes took 11.1% of their income.
The average income of the next 20% was $93,800 and all federal taxes took 15.1% of their income.
The average income of the bottom 20% was $223,500 and all federal taxes took 23.2% of their income.

www.cbo.gov...

Now let me throw in a few weasel words. "All federal" taxes, includes income, capital gains, excise, and so on. It does not include state taxes like property tax, state income tax, or local sales taxes.

This is a wonderful report if the issue is important to you and you don't mind working through a few dozen pages.
Hope this helps.

With respect,
Charles1952

reply to post by IsThisThingBugged


the fact of the matter is he could be using those vast resources to actually help people, instead of trying to gain more power. i am not saying he is evil but it is important to note that he may not have the intellectual capacity to sit down and form a strategy on how to even begin to solve some of the world issues. if he spent half of that pay he could do a lot of good with it.

I actually think its a great idea to see tax returns of anyone running for office. Actually we should see the tax returns of EVERY politician. I bet that would open a HUMONGOUS can of worms.